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6 hours ago, jdmarch said:
Just a minor note about latest EN...
... tried to open another note by clicking on its snippet. Just blank. Likewise for other notes. Waited a few minutes, no change. Quit and restarted EN. Now I was able to open notes.
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So sometimes Evernote allows you to read your notes and sometimes it does not.
Like, whatevs, amirite?
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It's probably time for Evernote employees to devote a bunch of resources to updating the color scheme on the home screen.
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On 5/11/2021 at 11:52 AM, WeCanLearnAnything said:
Does the new Version (10.13) for Windows just work yet?
On 5/11/2021 at 11:57 AM, s2sailor said:Some will say yes and others will say no. Best to download it and try it out yourself.
On 5/11/2021 at 12:23 PM, TK0047 said:...
Everybody uses Evernote in a different way, certain features are important to some users and some users could not care less about those same features. So as S2sailor suggest, best to download and try it out yourself.
On 5/11/2021 at 12:25 PM, PinkElephant said:Depends on what you mean by just working.
There are enough use cases fully supported - others depending on features not yet supported, or permanently removed will now or for the future not work.
In comparison the v10 client uses more system resources than the prior version, and lives from a stable internet connection. Depending on your setup, you will notice, or you won’t. I am running it on a 9 year old i7 HP desktop (plus on a Mac plus on iOS devices), and regard it as „working“ (more than „just“).
Go and find out … installing another client doesn’t cost more than a little time to set it up. Legacy is still around if v10 does not do the job.
These responses just do not sound promising to me. When I say "Do the brakes work?", people pretty much know that means "Do the brakes slow and stop the car as expected?" and thus nobody says "Well, there are lots of different ways brakes can work and you never really know until you try."
I need nothing fancy from Evernote as I mainly use it to store recipes and have otherwise migrated away. Typing, reading, saving data, pasting images, that's pretty much it. I'm worried that if I try V10, Evernote will cause my entire computer to lag and screwy things will happen with legacy and my data.
Sounds like I will have to wait at least a few more months before trying V10.
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Does the new Version (10.13) for Windows just work yet?
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8 hours ago, HumbleAmbition said:
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When I return to Evernote desktop from a different window, it is completely unresponsive for at least one minute...
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Do you think you could make a video of this, post it here, and also describe your hardware? Maybe watching that super long lag time in the video will get enough attention at Evernote to divert some resources away from rearranging home screen buttons and towards basic performance improvements.
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7 hours ago, OrbWeaver said:
I've found that as long as I reboot my system every 15 minutes or so I can keep the lag down to 20 seconds when switching notes. Without a reboot EN just stops responding after a while and will never recover without rebooting. It's on a test system and will never move to a real.machine until it is stable. Like next decade perhaps
Rebooting your entire computer every 15 minutes to cut the lag time when switching notes down to 20 seconds? This is so absurd that I can't even tell if it's sarcastic or not.
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6 hours ago, CalS said:
I used a backup to test V10 Windows desktop. Painfully slow, click heavy, missing features all added up to switching back to 6.25.1 in 30 minutes. V10 has a ways to go to be competitive.
Same goes for IOS iPad. Slow and confusing as to what/when syncing occurs. IOS iPhone is fairly usable for lookups and the like once you grasp the convoluted search method now in place. Weird the response times vary with the two IOS platforms.
This is terrible.
I'm most shocked by how you can't tell what has and hasn't synced. Is there actually nothing as simple as a green check mark or "saved to cloud" message or something like that to indicate to the user that data has been stored? How are users supposed to know, ever, when any data is saved?
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Hmm. Sounds like only disappointed people are posting. Either Evernote 10 is still a sluggish resource hog... or maybe only people with that experience are responding.
So I'll put out a request for any other point of view: Does anyone believe that the ultra basic features of Evernote 10 (e.g. typing) JUST WORK? Or does literally everyone - from users to customers, Evernote janitor to Evernote CEO - everyone - believe Evernote 10 has not reached that bar?
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It has been a couple of months since I asked, so I'll ask again: Are Evernote 10's core functions working yet? That is, does the basic experience (opening notes, typing, copy/paste, moving notes, saving data, etc.) just work yet? Or is still better to stick with Legacy?
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10 hours ago, ArjenC said:
@Robert Blomstrand The choices Evernote made have consequences.. The foundation the new Evernote is build on will always be slower than the legacy versions.
How do you know that the new Evernote apps will always be slower than the legacy versions?
10 hours ago, ArjenC said:@Robert Blomstrand Evernote needs (wants) to expand the features due to the competition (that's the priority at this moment, see release notes) the stability will suffer... that's guaranteed.
On the one hand, @IanSmall recently said the opposite of this. On the other hand, every Evernote CEO and many other employees have been promising and failing to fix these issues for well over a decade. Let's hope this time truly is different.
Are they keeping that promise?
Let's see.
I think we have the answer.
Evernote does not appear to have changed. There are still people there working on embedding YouTube videos instead of making the typing experience tolerable. Employees are still adding features like a home screen instead of ensuring that the program overall isn't a huge resource hog. Evernote is pouring resources into dynamic links with Google Drive files instead of preventing system hang.
The list of new and non-core features is consistently large while core performance issues remain largely unchanged.
From the outside, it still feels like Evernote is focusing on the car's leather interiors and stereo system while the brakes and steering don't work.
Can someone please correct my cynicism if it's out of line? Have there been enormous improvements to the core UX of the new apps that I'm not aware of?
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On 1/28/2021 at 1:01 PM, TK0047 said:
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With every update, I hope it is faster and way better but it is not even close to the previous version which is becoming more concerning to me for the future of my use of Evernote.
If you value speed and get frustrated with super slow computers or apps, stick to legacy.
That's too bad. I basically just need to be able to type quickly and it's weird and sad that Evernote does not offer that experience.
Maybe when V11 or V12 comes out, Evernote will be fast again.
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Can someone tell me if the current version of Evernote is reasonably fast and responsive or if I should stick with the legacy version for a while longer?
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14 hours ago, PinkElephant said:
Whoever knows what „good enough“ is for you ? With each new release there are improvements.
My strategy is to stay „legacy“ with my main account. I have another Basic created to test the v10-Waters from time to time. Then I can decide if better is good enough.
I may not be able to EXACTLY quantify "good enough" but I perceive my bar as extremely low; low enough that nearly all software from 1997 would suffice... yet, AFAIK, too high for V10.
Evernote should:
- Show a letter on the screen immediately after it is typed on the keyboard. It should not fall significantly behind normal rates of keystrokes.
- Respond to mice in fast and obvious ways, such as enabling the selection of more than one item, not lagging way behind the movement of the mouse, click and drag, etc.
- NOT have, say, an 8 second lag when I open a note that consists only of a tiny amount of text.
- NOT take lots of clicks and swipes over a 20+ second span to open the program and begin jotting down a thought.
- NOT use tremendous amounts of resources, because it's a note editor, not a video editor.
- Fix bugs from ~2011 and earlier to ultra basic features, like securing data, scrolling, or responding to the backspace key.
It sounds like Evernote is doing OK on #6 and very much failing on 1 - 5.
Is that right or wrong?
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22 hours ago, ej8899 said:
10.4.3 is very hit & miss for me - on a windows machine i7 8th gen, with 16gb ram.
Some days it's very much usable, other times I have to avoid it and use the Legacy version.
Good to know. Sounds like I'll have to wait a while longer before trying it.
Is the current version any better than the the version from a month ago?
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Has there been any improvement to the sluggishness & resource consumption issues?
I am still hesitant to try V10 until someone gives me a strong "YES".
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1 hour ago, Dave-in-Decatur said:
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As for the actual problem, as @dcon pointed out, the issue is not that "Evernote won't copy/paste line breaks"... One could, of course, go to Google's famously responsive tech support and request that they change they way YouTube puts text on the clipboard.
Though it would be amazing if Google changed something in YouTube, don't you think Evernote should be the company that fixes a problem that appears entirely specific to Evernote's software?
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8 hours ago, dcon said:
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What's missing in EN is Google's paste-as-plain-text. (I'm never sure what paste-and-match-style does - I don't use it)
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So we agree, then, that Evernote appears entirely unique its inability to paste line breaks? i.e. That every known program can do this except for Evernote?
8 hours ago, dcon said:...
What I do for things like that is paste into a plain editor (notepad, sublime, vim, etc), then select the text there and copy it. That puts plain text on the clipboard and removes any other format that EN may attempt first. (EN will always use html before plain text if it is available)
Am I the only one who finds it unreasonable that this is necessary to capture a line break?
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50 minutes ago, dcon said:
What EN is capable of completely depends on the source from the website. If they have really squirrelly html source, there's not much EN can do about that...
Sounds like you think the website code is the root cause of the problem.
Doesn't my GIF disprove that? Google Docs, Sublime, OneNote -and every other program I've found- perfectly capable of copy-pasting as expected? Why is Evernote uniquely incapable?
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On 4/25/2020 at 9:57 PM, John in Michigan USA said:
Good job documenting the bug!
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Thanks!
On 4/25/2020 at 9:57 PM, John in Michigan USA said:...
What about using the Evernote Web Clipper instead of Windows copy-paste?I don't think I've ever actually used Evernote Web Clipper before. How much better is it than copy-paste?
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On 4/25/2020 at 3:43 PM, gazumped said:
Hi. I'd suggest you look into screen shots if the layout is important, or maybe copying the YouTube content into a word processor and then copy/ pasting the WP text into Evernote with any necessary editing along the way. The lack of line breaks in this specific case isn't enough justification (IMHO) for Evernote to issue a 'special' fix, or to rush through the general upgrade (which has to apply to all Evernote versions on all OS's).
That's what I've been doing. Does it not seem weird that this is necessary in a note-taking program?
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Evernote seems incapable of copy/paste line breaks from YouTube. I have all the updates for both my Windows 10 machines and Evernote. I experience this issue on my desktop and laptop, pasting from Firefox and Chrome.
I know these kinds of bugs are supposed to be fixed in the new desktop editor, but who knows when that will be released? Hopefully soon... but maybe not.
Is it possible to release a quick fix for a feature as essential as copy/paste now?
For the record: if this happens to be a super hard bug to fix, then I would prefer that effort be put into releasing that new editor ASAP rather than fixing this bug.
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On 9/4/2019 at 6:46 AM, dcon said:
They weren't abandoned. They went into the product. Sometimes the updates were very noticeable to users because of the differences. Sometimes they weren't (good regression tests in those cases!).
If the prior common editors were not abandoned back then, are they being abandoned now for this common editor?
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On 8/30/2019 at 6:58 AM, dcon said:
Actually, I think it's the 3rd one. Maybe 4th, in the last 6 years...
On 8/31/2019 at 7:00 AM, dcon said:Serious. Something I've learned about Javascript programmers (in general) - they'd rather completely rewrite something in a new framework than fix the existing stuff. The average lifespan of a project seemed to be around 2 yrs. Then the people would move on, new ones would be hired, rinse/repeat. At least that was the impression our team got from the outside...
@dcon To be honest, I don't think I quite understand some of the jargon around CE, CEF, frameworks, etc.
Are you saying that Evernote started a common editor from scratch as announced in this thread, then abandoned that, then started a whole new common editor project, abandoned that, then repeated this cycle a third time, and now @Ian Small is announcing a fourth cycle? If so, what happened to all of those abandoned versions?
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4 hours ago, gazumped said:
If you've reported them to Evernote, raising them here is (AFAICS) not going to do any additional good. My original point was that on my old(ish) spinning disk limited-memory laptop I do have some issues with Evernote, but none of the ones you mention; others here have the same experience. So your particular circumstances may be limited to some situations and not the general experience. Evernote would take that into account when prioritising fixes.
Plus (and this is rather a big PLUS) they're already - according to that nice Ian Small - rewriting the important bits of the software which will (possibly) leave behind everyone's current problems (and give us a whole new set 😏). So it would be a waste of resources to 'fix' the old code and divert effort from the new stuff. Just sayin'
I use a SSD on both of my Windows devices, so this has nothing to do with spinning disks.
The copy/paste problems are widely reported in these forums going back to, I believe, the very launch of these forums. I think that means the copy/paste problems are widespread enough to be prioritized...
12 minutes ago, DTLow said:Please use the proper forums for this https://discussion.evernote.com/forum/463-general-technical-issues/. Also, don't just tack on existing discussions; start new topics
As for "rewriting important bits of software" and "use [of] the proper forums", the other reason I'm posting is because the recent announcement of creating a common editor to fix a lot of bugs made me wonder what the heck happened to the prior announcement of creating a common editor to fix a lot of bugs. So I'm already in the right forum and specific thread to ask those questions.
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10 hours ago, DTLow said:
What is your objective in these posts in the Common Editor discussion
You're obviously not satisfied with the product, or with Evernotes progress in resolving issues.
There are forums to post bugs and technical issuesI do not believe Evernote employees are actually very aware of the bugs, so I hope to raise that awareness.
In emails with Evernote support, various employees have stepped in at different times, often weeks apart, and then I've had to retell the whole story of bugs, resend videos, etc. Perhaps these forum threads are a more permanent record that they won't lose?
(Web Client) Cursor jumps to top of Note while typing
in Web Client Issues
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Weird cursor jumping has been a known issue at Evernote since early 2014. Source: Evernote - The Bug Ridden Elephant.
You could likely search these forums and find weird cursor jumping (and other cursor bugs) reports going back to even earlier years.
As a non-coder, it is hard for me to comprehend how an ultra basic "feature" of a note-taking program can fail for so many years. I can only suspect that the root cause of these cursor bugs is so deep and entangled in the code that nobody dares to even try to fix it. Far more fun to change typography, color schemes, and other brand refreshments. That could be why, even now, after 7+ years of cursor bugs, even after the latest rebuild, all we hear is:
Maybe there's some other explanation for the cursor bugs that I don't understand. Please enlighten me if you know the answer.
I'd love for an Evernote employee to just say "We're not going to build things like Home screens, Tasks, and new logos until basic elements like cursors just work because typing is important." Then it would be great if they could just follow through on that.
I won't hold my breath.