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  1. Are you actually claiming that Federico Simionato, who posts here and interacts with users here, does not hang out here? Of course not. His many posts falsify your claim that Evernote employees don't hang out here. Perhaps my wording was inexact. But his posts falsify your claim nonetheless. Plus there are likely other employees who likely do hang out here but do not post here. Plus there has been massive employee turnover and you are presuming all the new ones are not and will not be here. Plus you also have repeatedly dodged my points about your rude tone. I cannot think of a good faith reason for not addressing these points and you have not been willing to provide one. If your next post to me does not address directly the points I made in this paragraph, I will stop reading your posts.
  2. I don't know which year you meant by "2024". But Ian Small's last visit to these forums was January 2023. His last post was 2021. Austin G posted about a little over a year ago. Federico Simionato posted twice in the last 24 hours and dozens of times in the past month or so, often responding to user-generated threads and posts. Is that recent enough for you? Your claim that Evernote employees do not post in these forums is falsified. More thorough searching might find more employee posts in these forums (I don't know enough employee names to search) and I'd bet there are a ton more employees reading than writing. Are you still defending Your presumption that new and future employees of Evernote do not and will not post here? More-or-less criticizing me for asking Evernote employees fair and important questions on the assumption that they might read and respond? The tone in your previous post?
  3. The emphasized claim appears quite false. Here are two example posts from an Evernote employee in this very thread. Here are more posts from other employees elsewhere in these forums. The CEO of Evernote posted in these forums, dozens of times. Furthermore, there has been massive employee turnover at Evernote. You're right - I have been in these forums for years. And I have seen employees posting in them. The only way I can see your claim, tone, and supposition as even remotely defensible is if: (a) You haven't been paying attention to all the posts by employees in these forums for years AND (b) You somehow know that after nearly 100% recent employee turnover, none of the new employees will be involved in these forums AND (c) Anybody who doesn't know (b) is an idiot. The chance that (a), (b), and (c) are all true/reasonable is negligible. Your condescending tone built on falsehoods... is really not helpful. If anything, you ought to apologize. After the fiery passion I read about in this thread recently, I decided there *must* be something to V10 worth experiencing. I did try the web version as stated above, but that literally did not work at all. So, this afternoon I downloaded the V10 for Windows. Within a few minutes, I noticed GOOD: Dark mode is excellent. 🎊 GOOD: Tables and formatting both appear improved by about an order of magnitude. 👍So, two major improvements right off the bat, at least when messing around with a blank note. Then I started going into my old stuff... ANNOYING: Note load times were slow, especially if there was a picture. Pictures loaded section by section over 5+ seconds, even if I had just had the note open a minute earlier. 😕 DEAL BREAKER 1: Copy/Paste failed very badly, immediately followed by an Evernote pop up ad. The pop up ad may have been random, but it did come up during this recording and some of the other times I was reproducing the bug. 😠 5. DEAL BREAKER 2: There was an upload or sync error for no apparent reason. So, in my experiences with V10, on both the web and desktop clients - the only ones I need - Evernote's most basic features do not "just work", while everything else on my computer seems to be working just fine. 😞 I can't imagine a future in which I do not need portability. After having been burned many a times, I am trying to shed anything that doesn't emphasize portability. Other than tables, it only took a few minutes for Markdown to feel intuitive. YouTube introduction to Markdown are usually a few minutes long. I'm glad it's good enough for your needs. But total failures of V10 on the web, then copy/paste failures followed by a pop up ad, and a sync/upload fail, all coming from a company whose stability is not discernable to outsiders (mass layoffs, major price changes, acquisition at unknown price, etc.) ... Man, that does not come anywhere near meeting my needs. The improvements in the dark mode, formatting, and tables, though, were enough to convince me not to delete my Evernote account. Instead, I made a note - in another app - to retry Evernote in 2026. But until then, I think I'm done with Evernote. See you all in a few years.
  4. Thanks for your perspective. I hope that "BS is hyperfocused on improving performance and reliability", but I just find such promises hard to believe after hearing similar promises for so many years. David Pogue complained about Evernote slowness in 2015. There are still pretty bad complaints about slowness and sync problems in the forums 8 years later. Perhaps I'll reconsider Evernote after the basic features just work... but I don't think I can tolerate using slow and unreliable software, waiting indefinitely for that to be fixed. Can you share some of those tools for exporting Evernote data?
  5. Interesting. I use Dynalist for tasks now and it works pretty well. If your notes are in HTML, does that not drastically slow down the speed at which you can edit them? Or do you have some kind of WYSIWYG editor for HTML? (Forgive me if this is a dumb question as I know very little about software.)
  6. @CalS I get where you're coming from - even if the beating dogs comparison is ridiculously harsh - but isn't the situation with Evernote now fundamentally different? Nearly all of the US and Chilean employees were laid off recently and operations shifted to Europe. Might the new/newly empowered EU employees have new ideas/insights/perspectives? And, BTW, what are you using for note-taking nowadays?
  7. @WilliamL Did you read my posts? If not, I'll recap: I stoped using Evernote regularly a while back. I've found that I need (1) Simple, reliable software and (2) Durable and portable data/files. I then came back to the Evernote web client to see if it could meet my needs. It did not, glitching very badly, twice. My purpose in these forums is to ask more knowledgeable users if Evernote has changed their ways towards (1) and (2). I was curious. Instead, the "more knowledgeable users have falsely accused me of: lying, seeking atention, ad hominem, etc. @Dave-in-Decatur compares any/tiny bugs in Obsidian (e.g. something being incorrectly indented in V1.3.1, fixed in V1.3.2) with showstopper bugs in Evernote (e.g. notes like @DarrylG's that don't update, my random log outs in web client, etc.). All of that and still nobody has affirmed Evernote's ability to deliver (1) or (2)! I really wanted to have those two reasons to come back. Since all respondents so far here appear to prefer snark, anger venting, personal attacks, etc., I'll ask another way, a final time: @EvernoteEmployees: (1) Is Evernote software simple and reliable? i.e. Will it last for many years? Do its basic functions just work? (2) Is the data as durable and portable as, say, markdown files? Will it last for many years?
  8. @PinkElephant Regarding the tone, I wrote Perhaps I was not explicit enough: If you can't write respectfully and truthfully, you should write nothing, and you know it. Now, onto your falsehoods. Your comment is falsified by Here, you appear to falsely accuse me of lying and call me and/or the lies "disgustful". At a minimum, you grouped me with other people you call "a bad bunch" and more or less call them disgusting liars. Your presumptuous and judgmental comment about "a bad bunch" is unworthy of these forums. Here is one of my receipts from when I paid Evernote. I stopped paying after a couple of months because Evernote was way too buggy. My posting history in these forums clearly shows me persistently begging Evernote to focus on reliability, not fluff. I begged for years. Evernote did not deliver. Previously, a reliable application would have been something I would have paid for. Evernote never offered it. Now, I'd like reliable software PLUS files and data that will stand the test of time. I don't want to pay for Evernote's lock-in features which do the exact opposite of what I want. Anyways, @PinkElephant, it does not appear you want to communicate respectfully or truthfully, so perhaps you should stop replying to my posts and stop addressing me. Perhaps you could learn to address your apparent anger issues instead. Disrespectfulness and falsehoods do not contribute positively to these forums.
  9. The consistency comes from consistent content. Perhaps you say big differences in the announcements because you're deep in the weeds - the same way an expert pianist perceives big differences between 4 pianists playing the same sonata - but for most users, the announcements are basically the same. Example quotes from those links: The 2014 link Jason Kincaid: "Evernote’s applications are glitchy to the extreme; they feel as if they’re held together by the engineering equivalent of duct tape,” Kincaid wrote, noting he’s jotted more than 7,000 notes using the service." Evernote CEO Phil Libin: “... in the big picture, he’s right. We’re going to fix this.” The 2015 link David Pogue: "... I sent him a list of bugs and problems. He could not have been more gracious or more determined to make things better." Chris O'Neill: “We already have the team working to replicate and resolve the bugs you found,” he said, “and we are working around the clock with a significant portion of our development team building a better editor.” The 2019 link Ian Small: "... each version of Evernote ... exhibits its own unique collection of bugs and undesirable behaviors. ... in order to invent the future of Evernote, we first need to improve Evernote’s foundations" The 2023 link "as the company’s stewards our immediate priority is to make the fundamentals far more solid than has been the case" As for the socks, I mentioned them as evidence of Evernote's longtime shiny-new-object syndrome that does not appear to be fading. If Microsoft was still outputting junk as stupid as Clippy in Windows 11, then Clippy would serve as evidence of deep entrenchment of shiny-new-object syndrome and being out of touch with users. But Microsoft changed their ways. Evernote has not. I'm not upset over the price increase's impact on my personal finances, lol. The fact they did this, while laying off a ton of employees, moving continents, and not offering a rock-solid product, etc., can't help but make me think the product and company are/were not stable or sustainble. They said so themselves. From the 2023 link: "... a few short months ago Evernote’s prospects were rather gloomy..." And I'm using Obsidian for free now, but may start paying for their sync if it's worth paying for. Unlike Evernote, Obsidian only has 15 employees. They seem to be doing OK. 🙂
  10. I came back to Evernote and to these forums to see what the software was like and to ask more experienced users of V10 if there's anything I don't know about it that might be a reason to give Evernote one last try before cutting ties for good. I was and remain genuinely curious. So far, I've gotten snark, false accusations, and eye rolls, but nobody has listed a single reason to stick with Evernote, not to mention actually paying for it. I'll wait a little while longer.
  11. You're right. I'm only talking about free options. Why would I do that? There are superior free options out there for my needs. In the past 10 years, Evernote has been quite buggy and unreliable, feature bloated, the company has chased weird shiny new things, and I actually was a paying customer previously. If I had told anybody two months ago that ~all US employees were on the brink of being laid off and that Evernote finances were still unsustainable/unprofitable and had been for years, who here would have believed it? [Source: Verge article, Arts Technica] Evernote could convince me to pay by creating reliable software combined with files and data that are very likely to last for decades. Clearly, Evernote offers neither, so I'm not interested in paying.
  12. I don't know what it means to "post a very narrow selection of features" or what that has to do with cherries and crumbs from a cake. I don't know if I am in the half that you believe are making wrong comparisons or what those wrong comparisons are. Perhaps you could try replying by saying what you mean literally. Or if you have nothing useful to say, you can also choose to not respond.
  13. Obsidian is probably going to do it for me. Owning my own data, a durable file format, collapsible sections, and basic features that **JUST WORK** - this is all I need. Evernote offers none this.
  14. Evernote limits the number of devices to two! I have EN6 installed on my desktop and laptop, so it won't let me experience the web version. Given EN10's offerings - feature bloat that makes your data not very portable - I can't imagine it's worth the effort to try.
  15. I left Evernote a while back for markdown files the following reasons: (1) File over app (2) $0 price for unlimited devices, cloud synced easily (3) This extraordinarily consistent string of promises: Jan 2014 - Evernote CEO Phil Libin: "Reliability is just around the corner!" Oct 2015 - Evernote CEO Chris O'Neill: "Reliability is just around the corner!" Jan 2019 - Evernote CEO Ian Small: "Reliablitity is just around the corner!" Aug 2023 - Evernote CEO Federico Simionato: "Reliability is just around the corner!" I'm sure there are many more promises from ads, blog posts, discussion threads, etc. about fixing bugs, firm foundations, making Evernote just work, etc. All I see are device limitations, branding changes, business socks, a home screen (the scratch pad is a note-taking app within a note-taking app), price increases for features I don't want or need, etc. Can anybody imagine Apple Notes acting like this for 9 years? All I really need is are simple, reliable notes. File over app meets that need. Evernote does not. I tried to check Evernote web to see what it was like. Here is what happened: I signed in. A loading screen appeared for a long time. It finally loaded the old Evernote web version, which if I recall correctly, lacked many basic features and wasn't very compatible in terms of tables, formatting, etc. with the desktop versions. I clicked to see the new Evernote web. It showed me an ad, offering me 40% off, but before I could do anything, Evernote logged me out for no apparent reason. I signed in again. Another loading screen lasted a long time. A popup forces me to either sign up for a free trial - presumably giving credit card information - or I can sign out of other devices. I don't see any way to access the old Evernote web. I give up. At this point, I cannot think of any reason at all to come back to Evernote. If anybody can, please reply. Otherwise, I'll probably delete my Evernote and Evernote Discussion accounts forever in a month or two.
  16. I'm with you completely but I sometimes wonder whether we are among the 1% that value performance of core functions (reading and writing) over what we perceive as frills (logo redesign, to do list functions), but the other 99% is happy to deal with universal sluggishness if they can type a task with a checkbox. If we are in the minority, as I suspect we are, then I doubt Evernote will ever cater to us. Despite @Ian Small saying that performance (and sync) improvements would come first, it is easy to find long lists of things they've implemented while brutal reviews mentioning basic performance and reliability just keep coming. I think that shows us what the company is actually prioritizing.
  17. Oof. Not good. Other posters here have said V10 has improved in those respects, but perhaps not enough (or at all?) for you? Have you tried switching back to legacy?
  18. This does not sound good either! And I think the bolded section merits a response from an Evernote staff member. Will Evernote ever be fast again?
  19. Given that @CalS said that V10 can't handle links and you guys are saying V10 has many more bottlenecks for speed, I think I'll wait a little longer to try V10.
  20. V10 still lacks functioning links?!?! 🤦‍♂️ That is mind blowing. I'll pass on trying out V10 for now. In a few months, I'll check this thread again.
  21. To hear that it's really slow for you and hasn't really sped up much over the past year... that is not encouraging. As for trying out V10, is it actually that easy to do and undo? What about the risks of sync issues, or account/device limit issues, etc?
  22. Thanks for your response. My computer is about 5 years old, laptop about 3 years old. Both were far from top-of-the-line when purchased as I only use computers for simple things. Do you think they would have memory and lag issues?
  23. Thank you for your response. Your description is quite disappointing. Is there any way to know if Evernote will ever be fast again? How much have speed and resource/performance issues changed since V10's release?
  24. It has been about 4 months since I last asked: Does Evernote V10 just work yet? I am hesitant to try because I worry about V10 making my computer lag like crazy, then not being able to go back to Legacy due to limits in accounts and devices, sync screwups, etc.
  25. Do you know this to be literally true? i.e. That there wasn't a single character from the old code base brought to the new code base? Has Evernote said this? It may very well be true - I don't know. Unfortunately, I can only think of two plausible explanations for these cursor bugs. Evernote truly does have two entirely separate code bases, but, just by astounding coincidence, they programmed infuriating cursor jumping bugs into both of them. It is just a further coincidence that the symptoms of those bugs - on two entirely separate code bases - are pretty much indistinguishable. This seems to be what you're saying, @PinkElephant. The company programmed infuriating cursor jumping bugs into the original code 7+ years ago. Years later, those bugs live on in Legacy... AND Evernote chose to copy-paste some/all of those bugs into the new code base. Both explanations are quite cynical, but I'm no coder. This is all I can think of as a layperson. Is there a more optimistic explanation out there?
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