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  1. The End.... This morning, after 10 years of subscribership, I finally gave up and moved my database to Apple Notes. What did I learn? 1. It was amazingly easy (see link at the end of this comment) I exported my Evernote notebooks, one notebook at a time to ENEX files on my iMac desktop. I then clicked import in Apple Notes and they uploaded almost instantly. I then moved the notes to appropriately named folders in Notes and ... done. Several thousand notes to me a half hour. It then took another 30 minutes for everything to upload to iCloud so that they are accessible on all my devices. 2. Notes is way faster than EN (new version) 3. Search is about equal to EN. OCR works well. 4. The share sheet can be used to save web pages into Notes. It isn’t as sophisticated as the web clipper but it is very functional. 5. Attachments are easily annotated from my iPad with Apple Pencil. 6. Note formatting is better and faster than the “updated” Evernote. 7. Tables are viewable and full featured on MacOS and iOS devices! 8. There is full support for handwriting and new shapes tools. You can write and annotate within the app. 9. It requires an extra step but you can create reliable links to your notes that can be pasted into other notes, your task manager or elsewhere. In short, if you are an Apple ecosystem person, there is no reason to continue the suffering. A clean interface, a zero price and great features await. This may seem disloyal, and I will miss the Evernote community, but face it folks, this has been an asymmetric dysfunctional relationship for a long time: —5 years and virtually no new features? —Remember awaiting the “new” Evernote and discovering that the only new feature was a redesign of the Mads the Elephant logo? —Remember having prices jacked up? — Remember getting “chat” instead of any requested features? —Remember the removal of useful capabilities like Evernote Clearly? —Remember all of the promised enhancements to security? A decade on and you still can’t password-protect a note! Remember the policy document that indicated that developers might be reading our notes? They later retracted this, but what assurance do we really have? — Remember multiple versions of the virtually unusable Penultimate? And now, after promising a new improved Evernote, they have launched a feature-disabled Mac app, and fundamentally broken Windows and iOS apps. They sold us Evernote branded Fujitsu ScanSnap devices— now they have removed scanner support with notice to users. They released apps that don’t even allow printing???? What???? There is no real communication other than marketing spin. There is no documentation of what is supposed to work and what is in development. The features that used to differentiate Evernote have largely been lost or broken. Ian Small is now talking about all the enhancements in the future, but what are they? When? We waited 2 years for this???? While Evernote have taken our money, Apple Notes, Bear, Notion, Notability, Goodnotes, Roam Research and OneNote have been advancing forward rapidly. Evernote meanwhile is remaining pretty much the same or getting worse. Some folks have used Evernote as a filing cabinet. After exploring a bit, I’m amazed at how far the rest of the world has advanced. Unfortunately beyond the user community itself, there is simply no compelling reason to stay😢
  2. The End.... This morning, after 10 years of subscriber ship, I finally gave up and moved my database to Apple Notes. What did I learn? 1. It was amazingly easy. I exported my Evernote notebooks, one notebook at a time to ENEX files on my iMac desktop. I then clicked import in Apple Notes and they uploaded almost instantly. I then moved the notes to appropriately named folders in Notes and ... done. Several thousand notes to me a half hour. It then took another 30 minutes for everything to upload to iCloud so that they are accessible on all my devices. 2. Notes is way faster than EN (new version) 3. Search is about equal to EN. OCR works well. 4. The share sheet can be used to save web pages into Notes. It isn’t as sophisticated as the web clipper but it is very functional. 5. Attachments are easily annotated from my iPad with Apple Pencil. 6. Note formatting is better and faster than the “updated” Evernote. 7. Tables are viewable and full featured on MacOS and iOS devices! 8. There is full support for handwriting and new shapes tools. You can write and annotate within the app. 9. It requires an extra step but you can create reliable links to your notes that can be pasted into other notes, your task manager or elsewhere. In short, if you are an Apple ecosystem person, there is no reason to continue the suffering. A clean interface, a zero price and great features await. This may seem disloyal, and I will miss the Evernote community, but face it folks, this has been an asymmetric dysfunctional relationship for a long time: —5 years and virtually no new features? —Remember awaiting the “new” Evernote and discovering that the only new feature was a redesign of the Mads the Elephant logo? —Remember having prices jacked up? — Remember getting “chat” instead of any requested features? —Remember the removal of useful capabilities like Evernote Clearly? —Remember all of the promised enhancements to security? A decade on and you still can’t password-protect a note! Remember the policy document that indicated that developers might be reading our notes? They later retracted this, but what assurance do we really have? — Remember multiple versions of the virtually unusable Penultimate? And now, after promising a new improved Evernote, they have launched a feature-disabled Mac app, and fundamentally broken Windows and iOS apps. They sold us Evernote branded Fujitsu ScanSnap devices— now they have removed scanner support with notice to users. They released apps that don’t even allow printing???? What???? There is no real communication other than marketing spin. There is no documentation of what is supposed to work and what is in development. The features that used to differentiate Evernote have largely been lost or broken. Ian Small is now talking about all the enhancements in the future, but what are they? When? We waited 2 years for this???? While Evernote have taken our money, Apple Notes, Bear, Notion, Notability, Goodnotes, Roam Research and OneNote have been advancing forward rapidly. Evernote meanwhile is remaining pretty much the same or getting worse. Some folks have used Evernote as a filing cabinet. After exploring a bit, I’m amazed at how far the rest of the world has advanced. Unfortunately beyond the user community itself, there is simply no compelling reason to stay😢
  3. Exactly!!!! Stealing defeat from the jaws of victory? Not smart.... especially in a competitive environment. Neither is the lack of some sort of coherent communication.If the paying users leave the future is not bright for any of us. Hence my profound disappointment.... Example of concern:
  4. Do they think that intentionally adding non-functional “features” will do anything other than waste users time? We have passed from the realm of trying hard but not quite making it, into the realm of disrespect for the customer. Imagine if you pulled the landing gear level on a new plane in flight, only to find out that —“oh yeah, we will deliver an actual landing gear function in a later release.” Kind of like discovering that you can no longer print your notes.... Oh yeah, that isn’t a metaphorical example, they did actually remove print capability. You can’t fix stupid....
  5. The latest release has, at least for power users (a.k.a. the folks who pay the bills), been pretty much a disaster: bugs galore, loss of functionality, change in workflow, entire portions of the App (E.g., Sketch, Annotation, and Tables) that simply don’t function in anything approaching a usable manner. Yet, Evernote is the repository for years of notes for many of us. It would be far better for everyone if Evernote fixed what is wrong rather than forcing us all to leave. So here, is my list of items that, if addressed would make Evernote a compelling choice in the paperless office space rather than a dust gathering file cabinet for old notes. How to Make Evernote Great Again: Restore Internal links. This is/was a HUGE differentiator Allow moving elements in lists in iOS— this is fundamental to note taking. Better outlining functionality in iOS and MacOS. Ability to outline elements using keyboard in iPad OS. Toggle outlines Sections Kanban boards Mind Maps OMPL import/export Fix the bugs Get the OCR fixed Fix the drawing system. It sucks. Make proper use of the capabilities of Apple Pencil. Fix the annotation system. It is marginally better on Mac. It is impossibly worse in iOS. Create real table capabilities in iOS Incorporate markdown shortcuts in iOS. If this whole crazy “upgrade” exercise is about making the app consistent across platforms, why isn’t it???? Restore CMD J, CMD D and other shortcuts. Make them consistent for MacOS and You keep saying this isn’t a web app, if so, then where did the shortcuts go? Allow users to export what they create in Evernote: Printing (who thought that this would need to be an added feature????) PDF export Option to show page lines in document Export to .docx and PowerPoint. Password protection of notes Better security policy I don’t think this is an impossibly long list. These are not requests based on a “unique workflow”, they are basic things that many competitors have already implemented. Many of the items are small coding changes like keyboard shortcuts that can improve user productivity with little effort. If it is to be relevant, Evernote needs to be the best environment to keep, store, reference, and file personal information. So, it needs to be great at note taking, great at external information capture, great at integrating that information, great at search, and great at security. They have many of the elements, but they aren’t there yet. Unfortunately the last update may have taken them (temporarily I hope) further from this goal. Unless they start moving rapidly to addressing these issues, users will continue to migrate to Notion, OneNote, Apple Notes, Bear, Nimbus, etc. Evernote are at the precipice of declining paid users and a death spiral, or launching into a new era of relevance. The hope of users was that the launch of the new apps was a signal of the latter. So far, they are unfortunately teetering toward the former. Let’s hope they improve communication and start knocking some of these items of the list in time to save the Company.
  6. One of the primary reasons that I settled on Evernote was because of the ease of linking notes to other applications, like my task manager. Prior to v10 all of these links were working. Now, on Mac it opens a web version (bad but functional) but in iOS it opens the Evernote app and does. Virtually every user of Things, Todoist, OmniFocus, MS office was using this linking feature. It was a key differentiator between Evernote and OneNote which uses a more complex, yet functional linking system. Meanwhile, Apple Notes has been enhancing its sharing capabilities. This renders Evernote virtually useless for many users. As I have tried to adapt to the “new” Evernote I keep finding more little “touches” that appear designed to frustrate the users who pay a premium for features. Unless you are just writing simple notes and not interacting with any other software Evernote is fundamentally broken. If that is the case then you are probably a non-paying user that could just as easily use Google Keep or Simple Notes. I hope they pull the nose up quickly, right now this “update “ risks augering the Company into the ground....
  7. Is This a Better Experience? There are now some markdown shortcuts that will be easy once I learn them. I do like the look of the editor. I haven't yet had a chance to test search very extensively but I have noticed some performance issues. The iOS version is still an absolute mess. I like the new look of the Editor here, but what does it offer except colors and standardized header sizes? Text boxes? Mix of handwriting and text? Ability to view .pdfs in-line? No, no, no. Other than a prettier editor, I don’t see any real advantages in the new Evernote. In fact, there is much more to dislike. There are lots of cosmetic things they could have done to make Evernote look better without changing changing its base functionality. This reminds me of when Apple rebuilt iWork. However, when this was done, they really revamped the workings of the apps and you got a collaborative experience in return. I don’t see that users get anything here other than some cosmetic changes. Search is “better”? Search was already great, this wasn’t a “feature” requested by users. They wanted, and still want, a more capable and modern application. Let’s compare Evernote with free Apple Notes: Feature Apple Notes Evernote Comments Editor Great Ok The Evernote editor lacks shortcuts. Other than standardizing font sizes, it isn’t much of an improvement over its predecessor, and many features have disappeared. Handwriting Great Horrible Annotation Great on iOS and Desktop Ok on desktop, horrible on iOS Apple annotation includes text, drawing, and signature support. Tables Great on all platforms Exists only on Desktop. Evernote is better on Mac. Evernote for iOS has a “button” for adding a table but it isn’t actually functional. Evernote does have colors! Search OCR OCR Apple seems to process and index new images faster than Evernote. Evernote retains the advantage of saved searches. Apple breaks up searches into categories Drawing Drawing tools, Scribble, Horrible and non-functional at launch. Ugly and difficult. It apparently aspires to an infinite canvas. Why Evernote would launch an app with fundamentally broken features is beyond me. It is not confidence-inspiring. Speed Fantastic Ok, but behind Notes Apple Notes benefits from tight integration with iOS, use of Share Sheet, Add to an existing note Yes No This is actually a great feature in real world use when you are adding to an existing note. Evernote allows for merging of notes, but this is often less desirable than adding to an existing note. Note Links Good but a bit hard to get to Very good, but the new version has made internal links less accessible. Save an email Yes but not obvious. Easy, Mail in This is an area where Evernote is ahead… for now. Managing pdfs Great, inline viewing, annotation Terrible, images are sometimes wrong size, annotation is bad in iOS, pdfs are hidden unless clicked on This should be Evernote’s core competency. It is actually getting worse! Tags No Yes Although this is an Evernote “win”, inexplicably, rather than improving their tag system a la Bear, Evernote have made it harder to access. Bizarre: this is one of their key features for paying power users. They could have further differentiated themselves but instead chose to make notebooks the centerpiece of organization like Apple Notes or OneNote Outlining Great in iOS and on Mac Great on Mac, but no mechanism for moving outline elements in iOS Again, you would think this should be an Evernote core competency. Yet, other than now treating outline elements as blocks, Evernote haven't added any features in years. Each version of Apple Notes keeps adding substantial improvements. Note Appearance Good Good + Colors Password Protect a Note Yes No After a decade of requests to Evernote, nothing.... Evernote Should Be Better! Evernote should win this race easily. It charges for this service! It has an enormous base of committed users. It should have better search. OCR appears to have gotten worse. Indeed I am running old and new versions concurrently and, to my shock, I get better search results with the old version! It should be faster (the new versions have performance issues, software bugs, and you spend a lot of time looking at a spinning circles!!!!!) It should take advantage of the unique capabilities of the platforms it sits on, like Apple Pencil. It should have lots of outlining capabilities. This should BE Evernote's core competency: Toggle Outlines Multi-column outlines. Convert from a table to an outline. Some database capabilities. Project outlining mind mapping Kanban boards iOS should be just as capable as desktop! Outlining Evernote should keep up with OS capabilities. E.g., iOS 14: iOS Widgets? Scribble support? Currently you need to actually disable Scribble to allow the Apple Pencil to function at all. Evernote should have GREAT export options: The ability to Print!!!! (I didn't know this was a "feature" since the 1980s!) PDF export with ability to see page cutoffs Docx export Convert to PowerPoint Yes, you should be able to password protect a note. Evernote should enhance the security of note transmission and storage. Evernote should communicate to users what they are doing and what they aren't doing. None of these features are new requests. Users have gone for 5 years without nearly ANYTHING being checked off the list. At least we deserve to hear what their plan is for future development. Mr. Small's recent statements that features are being eliminated because Evernote discovered that only 5% of users utilize "feature X" probably stems from two main sources: Non-paying users comprise a large portion of the customer base, and they most likely aren't dependent on the deeper features of the app. Some features, like Tags, aren't used that much because, in previous versions of Evernote they have been implemented inconsistently across platforms. For instance, I would have preferred a tag-based system, but I eventually converted to using Notebooks because a hierarchical view of Tags did not exist in iOS where I do much of my work. This doesn't prove that the feature wasn't desirable, it just proves that users won't work with a half-assed implementation. Instead, much of what users did do with tags (e.g., color coding) has been disabled. This update was an opportunity for Evernote to show users a more effective way to utilize tags.... Fail. Maybe this will get better over time, however, I don't see the CEO communicating anything but happy talk about how spectacular it is that they have migrated the code base, and that we will be "amazed" next year. The last time we heard this, the great new "feature" the Company rolled out was the redesign of the "Mads the Elephant" logo, which they have referred to as "rebranding." Not a good sign.
  8. Copying a link used to allow me to paste an internal link to an Evernote note. There was also the option to use a "Classic" Evernote note link which functioned even better. With the new version: A. The note link appears to be web-based and opens a web link rather than opening the note in the app on my Mac desktop. B. A note link created in the new version doesn't link to a note in Evernote 10 in iOS, it simply opens the Evernote 10 app and stops. Thus, this capability has apparently been rendered non-functional. Am I missing something?
  9. Is This a Better Experience? There are now some markdown shortcuts that will be easy once I learn them. I do like the look of the editor. I haven't yet had a chance to test search very extensively but I have noticed some performance issues. The iOS version is still an absolute mess. I like the new look of the Editor here, but what does it offer except colors and standardized header sizes? Text boxes? Mix of handwriting and text? Ability to view .pdfs in-line? No, no, no. Other than a prettier editor, I don’t see any real advantages in the new Evernote. In fact, there is much more to dislike. There are lots of cosmetic things they could have done to make Evernote look better without changing changing its base functionality. This reminds me of when Apple rebuilt iWork. However, when this was done, they really revamped the workings of the apps and you got a collaborative experience in return. I don’t see that users get anything here other than some cosmetic changes. Search is “better”? Search was already great, this wasn’t a “feature” requested by users. They wanted, and still want, a more capable and modern application. Let’s compare Evernote with free Apple Notes: Feature Apple Notes Evernote Comments Editor Great Ok The Evernote editor lacks shortcuts. Other than standardizing font sizes, it isn’t much of an improvement over its predecessor, and many features have disappeared. Handwriting Great Horrible Annotation Great on iOS and Desktop Ok on desktop, horrible on iOS Apple annotation includes text, drawing, and signature support. Tables Great on all platforms Exists only on Desktop. Evernote is better on Mac. Evernote for iOS has a “button” for adding a table but it isn’t actually functional. Evernote does have colors! Search OCR OCR Apple seems to process and index new images faster than Evernote. Evernote retains the advantage of saved searches. Apple breaks up searches into categories Drawing Drawing tools, Scribble, Horrible and non-functional at launch. Ugly and difficult. It apparently aspires to an infinite canvas. Why Evernote would launch an app with fundamentally broken features is beyond me. It is not confidence-inspiring. Speed Fantastic Ok, but behind Notes Apple Notes benefits from tight integration with iOS, use of Share Sheet, Add to an existing note Yes No This is actually a great feature in real world use when you are adding to an existing note. Evernote allows for merging of notes, but this is often less desirable than adding to an existing note. Note Links Good but a bit hard to get to Very good, but the new version has made internal links less accessible. Save an email Yes but not obvious. Easy, Mail in This is an area where Evernote is ahead… for now. Managing pdfs Great, inline viewing, annotation Terrible, images are sometimes wrong size, annotation is bad in iOS, pdfs are hidden unless clicked on This should be Evernote’s core competency. It is actually getting worse! Tags No Yes Although this is an Evernote “win”, inexplicably, rather than improving their tag system a la Bear, Evernote have made it harder to access. Bizarre: this is one of their key features for paying power users. They could have further differentiated themselves but instead chose to make notebooks the centerpiece of organization like Apple Notes or OneNote Outlining Great in iOS and on Mac Great on Mac, but no mechanism for moving outline elements in iOS Again, you would think this should be an Evernote core competency. Yet, other than now treating outline elements as blocks, Evernote haven't added any features in years. Each version of Apple Notes keeps adding substantial improvements. Note Appearance Good Good + Colors Password Protect a Note Yes No After a decade of requests to Evernote, nothing.... Evernote Should Be Better! Evernote should win this race easily. It charges for this service! It has an enormous base of committed users. It should have better search. OCR appears to have gotten worse. Indeed I am running old and new versions concurrently and, to my shock, I get better search results with the old version! It should be faster (the new versions have performance issues, software bugs, and you spend a lot of time looking at a spinning circles!!!!!) It should take advantage of the unique capabilities of the platforms it sits on, like Apple Pencil. It should have lots of outlining capabilities. This should BE Evernote's core competency: Toggle Outlines Multi-column outlines. Convert from a table to an outline. Some database capabilities. Project outlining mind mapping Kanban boards iOS should be just as capable as desktop! Outlining Evernote should keep up with OS capabilities. E.g., iOS 14: iOS Widgets? Scribble support? Currently you need to actually disable Scribble to allow the Apple Pencil to function at all. Evernote should have GREAT export options: The ability to Print!!!! (I didn't know this was a "feature" since the 1980s!) PDF export with ability to see page cutoffs Docx export Convert to PowerPoint Yes, you should be able to password protect a note. Evernote should enhance the security of note transmission and storage. Evernote should communicate to users what they are doing and what they aren't doing. None of these features are new requests. Users have gone for 5 years without nearly ANYTHING being checked off the list. At least we deserve to hear what their plan is for future development. Mr. Small's statements that only 5% of users utilize "feature X" probably stems from two main sources: As another commentator noted, non-paying users comprise a large portion of the customer base, and they most likely aren't dependent on the deeper features of the app. Some features, like Tags, aren't used that much because, in previous versions of Evernote they have been implemented inconsistently across platforms. For instance, I would have preferred a tag-based system, but I eventually converted to using Notebooks because a hierarchical view of Tags did not exist in iOS where I do much of my work. This doesn't prove that the feature wasn't desirable, it just proves that users won't work with a half-assed implementation. This update was an opportunity for Evernote to show users a more effective way to utilize tags.... Meh. I am still hoping Evernote can pull themselves together. The thought of transferring thousands of notes and upending my workflow is daunting. But, I've already started using other apps, especially in iOS, to make up for the fact that key features simply don't work in Evernote. As my base of notes grows elsewhere, the likelihood that I will continue using Evernote diminishes....
  10. It was nice to see Ian, but it didn’t address any of the elephants (pun intended) in the room. The professor was obviously excited to interview Ian— no doubt a boost to his YouTube channel— but didn’t ask about any of the performance issues that his own subscribers were complaining about.... more marketing than journalism.
  11. They later recanted this, after users protested. The main issue now is that they have rendered their software unusable. Just this morning, I discovered that the saved searches that have been the foundation of my workflow for a couple of years are no longer operating properly. These are (were) basic functions of Evernote. Ugh!
  12. Update— I Give Up! Evernote is now basically unusable for my daily work. Apple Pencil support is fundamentally flawed. Search is no longer reliable. System is extremely slow, and freezes constantly. Features are gone No documentation Despite the lack of feature development over the past years, Evernote has always been three things: fast, reliable and familiar. Despite a new paint job, it is now none of these. As a result, I have had to shift my daily work to a combination of Noteability and Apple Notes (I also use OneNote occasionally for specific projects). There has been no communication from the Company other than “we are working on it.” I have not had this type of experience with an update from another long-term software provider. This is incredibly bad. This isn’t just inconvenient, this is unusable mission-critical software. The good news: The latest versions of Apple Notes and OneNote are very usable. In fact, I have been quite pleased with Apple Notes of late. Pencil support is great, documents are editable on desktop, iPad and iPhone. OCR is now quite functional. The app is super-fast on all platforms. Linking to notes, although a bit wonky, has become extremely stable and reliable. Tables are available on all devices. Document annotation works. PDFs are viewable in-line. You can password protect a note. You can move items in an outline using keyboard shortcuts. There are keyboard shortcuts to create different types of headings. You can scan documents directly from your iPhone into a note. You can add material to an existing note using the “share sheet.” Checklists are nicer than in Evernote. It may not have all of the features that Evernote had, but all of the features actually work and were designed with care. Notes isn’t going to disappear tomorrow. BTW, the annual price is $0.00. I have waited for literally years for Evernote to improve, and I have paid for the privilege. I stayed despite not getting any new features, I stayed when the only improvement was redesigning “Mads” the elephant logo. I stayed when the user policy indicated that Evernote personnel might be reading my notes. I participated actively as Mac beta user and attempted to give constructive feedback. This was their one last chance. To say that they have blown it is an understatement. I don’t think I have seen a release of mission-critical paid software so poorly communicated and so poorly tested in recent memory. Indeed, I fear that this may be the death knell for the Company— I cannot imagine premium users continuing to pay for non-functional software when free versions are certainly superior to a non-functional Evernote. I certainly won’t. “Just wait a couple weeks while we fix this” is not a viable option when you run your business using this software. Just imagine Microsoft telling all of the law firms and government offices in the nation, “Sorry our latest release of MS Word doesn’t quite work, we aren’t going to tell you what’s wrong, but rest assured we are working on it and we’ll get back to you in a week or two. Sorry you won’t be able to type anything, or if you do it might disappear, but in the mean time, just look at the shiny new screen.....” Instead, I, and thousands of other users will now waste countless hours migrating our notes elsewhere. This is sad ending, I love the support I’ve gotten from the other faithful users out there, but how can anyone trust their daily work to a train wreck like this. At least I haven’t removed the old version from my desktop yet, this should make migrating easier.
  13. Like the rest of this release, annotation is a half-baked mess. First, after using this tool for 10 years I had to search here on the Forum to discover that annotation hadn’t been completely removed, you just need to click Edit first, before tapping on the pdf. This is not intuitive. Indeed, what exactly is the point of the unintuitive flashing “Edit” button? They clearly didn’t finish coding this feature, or the developers didn’t actually use it. Second, the tools themselves are still as unintuitive and clunky as in the previous mode. Look at the annotation capabilities of OneNote, Notability, PDF Expert, or even Apple Notes— Evernote is light years behind and has done nothing to catch up. These tools pre-date the Apple Pencil. Third, there doesn’t appear to be any zoom capability. This makes some pdfs impossible to read. Thus the tools (pen and text) are ten times larger than they should be relative to the document being annotated. So, using the Apple Pencil or finger is pretty much useless. Even typing text yields a ridiculously large font which must be adjusted. The text box runs off the side of the page. Warning: if you save it, any text running off the side of page is not saved. Fourth, I have encountered frequent freezing and instability, even in brief testing. Conclusion: Just as with Sketch, Evernote has taken a marginally useful tool and, rather than improving it, has rendered it completely useless. But hey, don’t worry, they are working on fixing it.... Meanwhile adopt other tools.
  14. LoL. Great graphic for all of those who think that executive pay is actually tied to performance. Remember: Microsoft Phone, Windows Vista, and the Zune. If OneNote allowed the user to create links to specific pages from iPad.... (but that’s another story)
  15. Thanks Kolmir for reminding me why I left Microsoft for Apple. Now that his guy is running a basketball team (also not winning) Microsoft is starting to put out some decent software. (😎)
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