Metrodon

That makes perfect sense JB - the idea that Evernote can be a one-stop place for every kind of data is just marketing BS.

Simply to stop spammers, there's no great conspiracy at work here. 

I'm not complicating or defending, I'm explaining. 

If you are a premium user you can PIN protect your mobile device, this makes sense as mobile devices really don't support multi-user environments.

If you share your user account on your PC or Mac then I would have thought that you are leaving all kinds of data as well as Evernote open to prying eyes. Anyone with any real care for their security will lock their machine when they are away from it and will use a guest account for other people who need to access the machine.

Either way, I'll be hugely surprised if this request is ever implemented by Evernote.

If you believe Evernote marketing any more than you believe wearing Hugo Boss aftershave is going to make you irresistible to the world's super models then I can't help much.

Are you saying that users who have poor security habits and don't remember to lock their machine are going to remember to lock an Evernote notebook they are working in? Seems unlikely.

All of the OS' security vulnerabilities will apply equally to Evernote as any other file on the system whether the application has a notebook password or not. The only way to protect the data is to encrypt it and only have the user have the key to this encryption. On a larger scale I really don't think this is going to happen with Evernote. The small scale and clunky encryption was I think added to check a box so they could say that they have encryption not because they are in any way serious about it.

Finally, if you think that Microsoft or Evernote are ever going to take responsibility for your data then I believe you are 100% wrong. It's your data and it's your responsibility to ensure it's backed up, to ensure it's secure and to ensure that you can get to it when you need it.

If that's all you want, well why not just password protect your machine? It's easy and available on every operating system already.

No, you are simply using the wrong tool for your requirements and that's fine.

I'm often amazed at how people are trying to squeeze their whole business and private lives into one application. Evernote is a pretty decent general application that allows lots of people to do lots of useful things. But, it's not particularly good at anything and it's never going to be because if they concentrate on a smaller subset of use cases they will undoubtably reduce the general usefulness.

I use Evernote I don't know how many times a day, on different devices and in different places, I find it incredibly useful. I also use a bunch of other apps that are far better  at doing specific tasks than Evernote will ever be.

It sounds like you have a requirement to encrypt the data you store in the cloud. My first thought would be to find an app that does this immediately, rather than finding one that doesn't and then deciding that not having a function that it's never had, never promised to have and might never have is a 'deal-breaker' for you.

It's not a fail, it's a clearly thought out business decision.

It's pretty clear that Evernote's vision is try to become more than just a dumb space that users add data to. Context, Related Notes, the AI investment and Libin's recent comments all point towards an idea that Evernote will help to make you better at doing things.

Siloing data into encrypted containers would break this paradigm.

So it's nothing to do with being simple or not and it's obviously not a major fail. It's probably just not the app that you need in order to prevent your deal from breaking.

Evernote have been pretty clear in the past that they develop what they believe to be useful - there's no doubt that they take some account of user feedback but just because what seems like a lot of people on this small forum say that something is essential/easy to implement/a deal breaker (my favourite) doesn't mean that Evernote will ever develop it.

Given that there are more than 100m Evernote accounts, I don't remember reading about more than a handful of privacy/security issues which isn't bad.

This thread is really about long term evernote users who over time have become disgruntled with the way Evernote as a company behave or with specific use cases or issues that have not been or may not be resolved.

If it lacks features that you need then it's not the right app whatever the situation is with "listening" and security.

(I should just leave Gaz and Jeff to it)

It's really not worth having an argument about.

This feature doesn't exist, to implement it would obviously require a considerable effort and Evernote have made it pretty clear a number of times that they don't intend to do so as they believe (for better or worse, I'm making no judgement) that a tagging solution will work better in this application.

This is the current situation and is likely to be the situation for the foreseeable future. 

Well I'm sure the technology press would report it, it would be a big deal because it seems to be contrary to Evernote's design ethos.

I'm pretty sure it's never going to happen.

I doubt there will be a Windows version, it's a mobile app.

The app is tied to the Evernote scanner - I doubt they will build integrations with the myriad of other scanners out there.

Given that the latest and greatest editor release on the Mac doesn't support markdown I'd guess that if it ever does happen it won't be in the near future.

People seem to like this - https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/61145-marxico-the-missing-markdown-editor-for-evernote/

(not native I know)

Pretty good description of what is allowed - https://dev.evernote.com/doc/articles/search_grammar.php

This is a user forum, Evernote staff apparently read pretty much everything but there's no obligation for them to contribute. They very very rarely discuss whether a change in functionality is coming or not.

The fact is that very little changed after that blog post and Libin's response.

In the last year I haven't seen any of the "sexy" security that was promised and I think overall quality has in many cases collapsed. Penultimate, the new Mac client and the '"beta" web app have been pretty embarrassing and in some cases required huge amounts of (costly) back pedalling. In the meantime they decided (correctly I believe) to stop supporting free users but handled the process terribly.

Libin is great for click bait, you can see why the tech conferences and techy websites like him. I like listening to him on the podcasts. I don't believe a single word he says about Evernote because most of the time it's not true or he simply doesn't have the ability to deliver it.

I still use the product dozens of times a day, but in pretty much every use case it's for a lightweight task. I don't think I would ever be able to commit to completing a really important task in Evernote.

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Well given that Evernote have decided that the kind of design that has been (re)used here is no longer "right", I think it would be rather churlish of them to go after Jusu. 

Any thoughts on building an iOS app?

It's called outlining and has been discussed on here a lot.

Given that the Mac app has the latest editor and does not include this functionality I'm guessing it won't be happening in the short to medium term (if ever).

I looked trello, it looks ok and handles lists well. Swings and roundabouts, it's missing tons of things that Evernote does, doesn't have a native app for OS X etc.

Evernote have pretty clearly decided that this functionality isn't something they are going to pursue for the time being so trello is probably a great place to work. Until you want to clip or back up your notes or.....

So why not use both?

Given that the OS X client is the first to use the new editor and this type of functionality isn't included, my guess would be that it's not going to do so in the short to medium term if it ever does arrive at all..

 

I'm not sure the first version of a re-write is a good indicator.  I think the main objective was to just reproduce the feature set with new code.

 

Has anyone seen new features in EN Mac 5.6.x?

https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/62259-evernote-for-mac-56-public-beta-1/

Given that the OS X client is the first to use the new editor and this type of functionality isn't included, my guess would be that it's not going to do so in the short to medium term if it ever does arrive at all..

Ctrl Click and select the window you want

There obviously isn't a technical reason why Evernote have chosen not to implement this type of encryption, so Evernote have made a design decision not to implement it.

I guess they think the complexity for users (and maybe the additional support load) combined with the reduction in search, AI and other stuff means that in the trade off between stuff encryption is currently not winning.

FYI:  Evernote's radical plan to kill files

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102047277

 

 

 

Something's got to give somewhere!  LOL.

 

Alan

More Libin clickbait.....the reality of the application is so far from the stuff that he says that it's not worth commenting on.

Will your forum support the potentially huge Linux market?

(Runs (again))