gustavgi

The best way to get rid of hoover-popups would be to instead have the UI adjust to fit the lenght of names in most cases, so that the full names can be displayed at once. After recently moving from Legacy to v10, I now have to constantly live in this mouse over-popup land to be able to see my metadata..

Moving from Legacy to v10 and I can no longer see my metadata... Hopefully a revamped UI will fix this.

When Ctrl+Q was implemented (Legacy) it was for instantly jumping to a specific notebook, tag or saved search, as there was no delay in search.

If you wanted to search for a note title or note content you used regular search, which could also be accessed through Ctrl+Q similar to today (search for X in notes and list of recent searches). When Ctrl+Q started showing notes as well in v10, the results were limited to just 10+ random results. I guess the search would be too demanding if all related notes were found - and if not I would strongly prefer a scrollable list. I still very much prefer the old way as I use Ctrl+Q for finding tags 90% of the times. Too bad there is no customization in settings..

Also, Alt+F5 would provide you with a similar searchable pop-up list for just your shortcuts in the order of your choice, which was by far the quickest way to get to your most used and/or important notes, tags, notebooks and saved searches.

I respectfully disagree, depending on the information provided. There is a reason why exit interviews can be valuable. Just let them vent, and leave them be. Complaining about people complaining is just adding fuel to the fire.

5 hours ago, KanePro said:

How has it messed up the fonts?

My guess is that it's related to that Legacy let you choose any font on your system.

2 hours ago, Krzys said:

When I search for a tag (Ctrl+Q) and select it, it appears in the search filter but is not selected in the tag tree. How should I search for and select a tag in the tag tree so that it is visible in the entire structure?

Sounds like you are referring to the "Scroll left panel item into view when the item is selected"-feature (third option under the Navigation panel in Options in Legacy). Super useful feature that provided great context of related tags etc., that has yet to be carried over to v10 and I doubt it will unfortunately..

16 hours ago, Sugeeth Krish said:

It was a conscious design effort, as it retains the formatting by the original website. So, that the clipper wouldnt break the formatting. I think it makes some sense as all websites are not built by the same underlying technology. A section of users , would prefer the retaining "of the original formatting". 

If you need to edit, its just a "single tap" away. 

 

Yeah, but why doesn't that single tap allow for "unlock editing", instead of "break formatting by simplifying formatting" (aka "simplify formatting)?

On 7/6/2023 at 7:20 PM, Federico Simionato said:

The migration is already happening thanks to the popup. Let's give it a few weeks.

Are you in some way trying to track what different "features" in Legacy that may keep Legacy users from switching, if that is interesting to you?

I, like someone wrote earlier, would like to switch to a newer version more than anything else - but a few things that have a huge impact keeps me from switching. And it's not really about having to  "change existing workflows", which seems to be the buzzwords that keeps popping up in this discussion. I have no problem making even major changes to my workflow, to adapt to a new or revised software. It's all about functionality, or more specifically lack thereof.

Like, why is the shiny new v10 created as if I was sitting on a 22" 1280x720 monitor back in 2005? Legacy is wonderful on a 4k screen, where the software adapts or can be adapted to the screen real estate. I never once have to hoover over text to read full text, as Legacy either adjusts to text length itself (as with Ctrl+Q on Windows, which also instantly gives you a scrollable complete list of all search results with no limitation) or I can drag and move dividers everywhere in different parts of the software, to display the full text. I guess that the reason is that the desktop version has been affected by some sort of smartphone/tablet-first approach, but why does that mean that when I try to make the left panel larger by dragging and moving the divider, the divider lets me make it a bit larger but then just stops 1/4 into the screen with no possibility to drag it any further?

And since I can edit web clipped notes clipped using v10 inside Legacy, without destroying/removing/simplyfing formatting, why can't I have the option to do the same in v10?

😔

+1, still biggest issue with v10 for me. There is plenty of screen estate and hopefully these popout windows can automatically adapt to the maximum text length soon just like on older versions and those with shorter names will not be affected at all.

On 6/6/2021 at 10:18 PM, PinkElephant said:

Tags are not meant to transport information of their own, they are labels that help find information. I think your way of tagging will kill itself after a while, because you loose the full picture. Too much small detail, not enough structure.

Been using such a system for 10+ years and its super useful. When you reach 40.000 notes, like myself, a hierarchy like the one you suggests Diagnosis - Cancer - Cervical will just return hundreds and possibly thousands of notes. The search function is plenty enough to help find notes containing "cervical". It must be so much more specific, without requiring to browse for long

Disappointed to see that this also applies to the return of Ctrl+Q..

4 minutes ago, DTLow said:

Did you intend for this to be posted in the IOS forum   
The general forum might me more appropriate    
I can move it if you wish

I voted no   
imho Evernote is going "light" with their Version 10 product    
Also, compared to other products like Devonthink, Evernote is already "light"

I meant to post it in the Android section, so I moved it. Could be more of a general question as well though.

I agree that Evernote is going "light" in a sense with V10, but it's not intentional though as they are phasing out the legacy versions and are now adding new features to V10 without fixing its issues with speed and reliability first. A real "light" version would be V10 without any speed and reliability issues and therefore a few less features, placed alongside a main app developed with the senior Evernote power users in mind instead.

To me, it sounds like you are not happy with the "light" version being the main app and that your "no" answer should be one of the other two options.

Could it be that the idea of power user functionality, that has made Evernote what it is, clashes with the idea of streamlining the development across all platforms and making the product more inviting to newbies so the number of subscribers can grow?

But couldn't these two both be cared for by releasing a secondary, more simple, "light" version, that would require little to no continuous development costs and that would always be reliable in terms of speed and functionality?

I am using the legacy versions for power user functionality today. I would gladly use a new "Light" version on the side, with less functionality at times, and it would probably suit the newbies a lot more than the version out today. The main problem is that the new versions are more "light" but neither reliable nor speedy, and that the development of the more powerful (and still more reliable) legacy versions has stopped. This is quite clearly reflected in the constant line of one star reviews for the app in the Google Play store.

Initially I bought the statement that the new app platform would allow for a much quicker way of implementing new features. However, the much requested return of the Ctrl+Q(Win) and Cmd+J(Mac) feature has been listed in the release notes as coming "soon" for at least 6 months, which makes me doubt that the new platform is all that easy to work with. 

I am using a floating keyboard and can't get the editor toolbar to show. I have to switch back to the docked toolbar to get it to display above the keyboard. There has to be someway to make it show at the bottom of the screen when the keyboard is floating. 

Also, does anyone know a way to highlight words without having to click the highlighter and then proceed to choose a color every single time?

Another very important power user feature gone.

Search results text is truncated and display a limited number of results, left panel text is truncated, note list note titles are truncated, tag names are truncated etc.. Please make the UI customizable/adaptive to the lenght of the names of the meta data. This especially concerns the left panel and the pop-out Tags window which should both be manually expandable to cover the whole screen.

Alot of v10 is a mess right now but please at least re-implement the optional navigation feature "Scroll left panel item into view when the item is selected". While it may not be a deal breaker to most (Phil Libin's 5% "problem" maybe), I personally consider it the most important power feature in all of Evernote and it is crucial for my workflow.. 😢

Yeah the window definitely needs to automatically adjust to fit the text being displayed. This is just not working...

12 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

If you have that many content and structure, had the app enough time to download (sync) everything ?

I have far less notes and tags, but keep everything offline on my iPad . Download really started only with ver 10.0.2 (got stuck before), and it took me 2 full days (while keeping my iPad on a power source, auto-off switched to „never“) on a 1 Gigabit internet connection to download all notebooks. Probably the limiting factor was the EN server, which is quite busy at the moment.

If you have problems, I would completely erase the the app from the iPad, then do a forced restart (look it up at Apple support about how to do it on your device) and reload the app, and then your data. The 10.0.2 version ist much better, but if there is any data mixup from the prior releases, maybe it is better to have a fresh start.

Yeah, I've already tried that and I don't have any offline notebooks. And if I disconnect from both Wifi and 4G, I can still access the tag section and expand the sections with the crazy delay, which means that all tags are cached offline regardless of whether you have offline notebooks. And as the search suggestions are instant and as navigation among tags can be carried out without any significant delay on all other versions of Evernote, it seems more like this version hasn't been optimized for larger amounts of data. 

On 9/17/2020 at 4:20 PM, annah said:

Hi @Wilburguy and @gustavgi, thanks for reporting this. This is definitely not expected behavior. If you're willing, I'd like to gather a few details from each of you, to see if we can better understand what is causing a degradation in performance on your iPads.

• @Wilburguy What iPad model do you have? 
• You mention offline notebooks - are those still in the process of downloading? (Indicated by the progress bar underneath the notebook titles.) Performance could potentially slow down a bit if all notebooks are still downloading - but that should resolve itself once they are done.
• Would you be able to provide an activity log and send it to me via DM? To access this, open the settings menu from the 'gear' icon at the top of left sidebar, then Support > Activity Log. You can email the file to yourself first and then attach it to the message. 
   
• @gustavgi What iPad Pro model do you have?
• The behavior in the video is of course egregiously slow, and absolutely unexpected. Does that happen every time you try to expand a section, or is it specific to one area?
•  Is anything else going on within the app while this is happening? For example - are you also downloading offline notebooks? Is the app still syncing notes from the service (if so, it would say 'Syncing...' next to the 'All notes' header)?
• Could you also provide me with an activity log via private message, following the same steps as above?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

I have the 2019 iPad Pro 256GB+4G version. The behavior happens every time for every section. I have no offline notebooks downloading and all notes have been synched. I am however a power user, with 40.000 notes, 1.000 notebooks and 50.000 tags. I would guess that it has something to do with that, but that number is however not even close to the maximum numbers of notes or tags.

11 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

@gustavgiWhat do you mean with „the tag page is broken“ ?

When I go to the iOS 10 client, open the side view (notebooks etc.), and scroll down, there is a tag section. I can open it, here I have my tags - for the first time in iOS with the tag hierarchy, which is a big „+“ of the new iOS client. I can simply tap on a tag, it takes a little, and a window shows all notes tagged with this tag. Very easy, very visual, I prefer it over a real search, which is possible as well.

Yeah, that tag section is broken for me.

I have a lot of data (40.000 notes, 1.000 notebooks and 50.000 tags) and I don't think they developed the new version(s) with their max limitations (100.000 notes, 1.000 notebooks, 100.000 tags) in mind..

Regardless, I prefer if the search function shows everything and not a couple of suggestions of what it thinks I am looking for as that is almost always going to be wrong as I have too much data for it to be able to guess that accurately.

Search suggestions are limited to just 2 notes and 5 tags. Is this by design? I would definitely prefer if the tag search suggestions are unlimited as they have always been...

Now when also the tag page isalso broken for me, so that I can't search for tags in there, I have no way to find my tags..

Yes, @Ian Small please don't move forward with the new Android and Windows version before this is fixed... If this is the performance on an iPad Pro i don't know what to expect on other devices.

I am already getting super nervous about that several of these behind the scenes videos show truncated text in different places..

For example in this video @0.55 you can see that the text maxes out at about 30 letters. With all that screen estate, why would you have that limit? I am relying heavily on that Ctrl+Q search on Windows can display up to 100 letters. I therefore sure hope that this isn't going to replace Ctrl+Q search..

Except for that, it looks great!

4 hours ago, Rob Freundlich said:

That's a decent workaround, but it's still a workaround. It'd still be better if the application offered "expand/collapse children" at each level, and "expand/collapse all" at the top - that's a pretty standard thing for tree/hierarchical UI's.

It does, you just hold down the Shift key when you expand/collapse the level. The workaround above is just needed for "Tags view" and when you want to collapse or expand all levels.

5 hours ago, jefito said:

Right. In the UI (Tag Picker, specifically), as noted. But for note search, doesn't apply.. Helpful, indisputably: helps you to locate tags with a specific infix, but not the notes tagged with those tags, which would be far more useful, to me anyway.

That is mostly correct. If you don't use the Tag Picker, but use Ctrl+Q instead, you also get to see all the notes as a "tool tip" if you hoover over each tag.