gustavgi

1 hour ago, JMichaelTX said:

Given your view of Notebooks, I now understand your confusion between Notebooks and Tags.

It's all about perspective I guess.

I see notebooks for what they are, both in the context of EN as well as the physical notebooks they derive from (which are never "nested"). You are saying I'm confused about the difference, when it looks to me like it's you who either wish for or have already made up your mind that EN notebooks are something that they are not, by both ignoring the skeuomorph and the actual implementation.

But like all feature requests, it's a fair request to ask for the replacement of notebooks in favor of a OS folder system. But at the same time I do think it's reasonable to reflect on how likely it is that EN would lift the 250 notebook limit, the ability to nest and the restriction of identical names, while trying to guide frustrated users who think that the pros of folders can't be met with tags (except that two tags can't have the same name just as notebooks).

I also want to mention again that the most important step tags made towards being equal with windows folders was the implementation of automatic tagging of the tag selected, when creating a new note. This mirrors the behavior that when you have opened a folder and create a new note, the note will be placed in that folder. Prior to v6, you had to add the tag manually. Now you can navigate among the nested tags and then create your note.

2 hours ago, JMichaelTX said:

That doesn't make any sense to me.  Tags, in all apps I know of, including lots of blogs, are designed to cut across the main structure of the app/web site, and to allow multiple tags per topic.  This forum is a great example.  Each topic can belong to only one sub-forum, but multiple tags can be assigned to the same topic, and the same tag can be assigned to topics in multiple sub-forums.  As we all know, each EN Note can belong to one, and only one, Notebooks, just like files and folders.

BTW, my statements have nothing to do with my preference to use tags or notebooks.  As some of you may know, earlier in the year I reorganized my Evernote account to primarily use tags, which I call "pseudo Notebooks".  But it was not because I wanted to, it was because I had to due to the way Evernote has highly constrained the use of Notebooks.

What I meant was that tags in most other software, including this forum, are used only as a keyword to help identify the content that has been tagged and to make collections. The latter is very much the purpose of EN notebooks as the software is today, where you are not allowed to have more than 250 collections/notebooks (a physical notebook is a collection of notes).

Outside of EN they also have a flat structure where every tag has the same visual value, and if you are lucky they will be somewhere sorted in an non-hierarchical alphabetical list similar to EN notebooks or maybe displayed in a tag cloud.

In EN they have been given a locational and navigational function. A tag can be a child-tag to a parent-tag, like a folder can be sub-folder inside another folder. And like folders (and unlike other software where hierarchical tags have been implemented) you can have a file tagged with a child-tag without it also showing up in the parent-tag.

And depending on how picky you are, one could easily say that the first tag a EN note is tagged with is the "actual location" of the note, while the other tags represent Windows folders where you have placed a file-shortcut to the text-file. In EN, there is no similar way to place a shortcut to a file in a different notebook, inside another notebook.

Either way, I will always have a hard time to see why it would be a negative thing to have an OPTION, to also put a note inside more than one location.

On ‎2016‎-‎06‎-‎17 at 0:40 AM, Shan McDonell said:

Have been using premium for a few months now, and have just come up to the issue of size limits for notes– 200 MB for premium users. This seems on the low side to me, as we are allowed to upload up to 10 GB/month, and some notes will obviously be edited over more than one month. Especially with attachments such as pictures, wouldn't it be better if the size limit were increased? I think at least 500 MB, but ideally 1 GB, would be great. I tried searching the forums and couldn't find anyone asking the same question– does anyone out there feel the same way about this? 

I think the limit has to do with the risk of bogging down the client if single notes are very large. Evernote do OCR processes on pictures as well. EN recently teamed up with Google Drive, and I guess that has to do with the fact that EN themselves realise that they have no clear intention to compete with file backup cloud services.

19 hours ago, guillermo_cb said:

why do most of you just troll those of us that like nesting more notebooks?? tags might work great for you and that's cool... i'm glad you like it... but your way doesn't work for me!

Evernote PLEASE listen our request... this won't affect the "tag-fans" and will surely benefit the 

It's not about trolling or being a fan of tags, but it's about the fact that the request to nest notebooks is basically a request to make notebooks into tags (in the way Evernote has implemented tags).

To give a dumb example, you are basically asking the creator of floppy disks to create a floppy disk with 4,7 gig storage because you prefer floppy disks instead of DVDs.

One of the main problems with making nesting of notebooks possible today, is that you also have a limitation of 250 notebooks and you can't give two notebooks the same name. As a lot of new EN users don't know that there is a 250 notebook limit, I'm pretty sure that EN would receive a lot of complaints from users that start to create a notebook nest system they like, and then would suddenly get the message that you are not allowed to create anymore notebooks at 250.

The funny thing as well is that Evernote notebooks has more in common with tags in other software, than Evernote tags themselves.

On ‎18‎.‎06‎.‎2016 at 0:50 PM, kchester104 said:

I took a couple months off from working on my novel, & just came back to. . . this MESS!  This new layout is TOTALLY useless for me.  I LOVED EverNote, have recommended to MANY friends . . . NEVER AGAIN!  

This has set my work back AT LEAST 6 months!

I NEED the old 3-column layout back.  Honestly, if there's no option to go back, I will have to hand-copy my 3750 Notes onto FILE CARDS.

I paid for PREMIUM, under the assumption that this formerly EXCELLENT tool would, yes, make occasional "upgrades," but I never bargained for you putting a WRECKING BALL through it.

After I stop crying, I'm going to look for that part in the TOS where I can get my $$$ back. . . which is pitiful compared to what you're costing my project. . . but you probably changed THAT too!

YOU MUST, at the very LEAST give PREMIUM users the OPTION to use the previous version.

Just change the layout in settings.

24 minutes ago, csihilling said:

@gustavgi

Thanks for explanation.  I see how it works for you, which is a good lesson for anyone reading the thread.  It has to be a special tag to still exist for me if it has less than 10 notes using it.

Totally off topic, I like the two movie examples, how would you tag Blade Runner?

"Great movie and sci-fi noir thriller where Harrison Ford probably is a robot"

4 hours ago, csihilling said:

Wow.  And I thought I had a lot with 400! 

Well, my system is not for everyone that is for sure.  

The main reason for why the number is so large is that a lot of my tags are a description of a single note/just a couple of notes, in a complete sentence, which makes tag search work partly like seach suggestions on google, only personalised.

Not that this is the best example, but let me give a fictive example:

Say I have a note about the movie Se7en. I might tag it with "Movies" "Thriller" "Scary" "Morgan Freeman" "Brad Pitt" and "Deadly sins"

My tags would be nested like:

Movies
      Actors^{(empty tag just for sorting)}
                Brad Pitt
                Morgan Freeman
      Movie genres^{(empty tag just for sorting)}
                Thriller
Topics^{(empty tag just for sorting)}
      Deadly sins
Emotion^{(empty tag just for sorting)}
      Scary

But I might also IN ADDITION to those tags, tag it with

"Se7en - Great movie and scary thriller about deadly sins starring Brad Pitt & Morgan Freeman".

In that way I have myself decided that those are the values i consider extra important for that movie/note. Now if I am in the mood for a scary movie, and do a tag search for "scary" - the whole description for Se7en will show up among the tag suggestions.

So why put this description in a tag and not in the note body? Because then that note about Se7en will compete with 200 other notes that are clipped reviews of different movies where the reviewer thought the movie was "scary" (which I may not agree with at all) or "NOT scary" which will still be displayed in the search results. The search result will also show a note containing an interview with a hockey player, that in one of his irrelevant answers mention a scary cat he saw once..

So why not put it in the note title instead and search intitle:? Because if I then were to clip a note called "10 best thrillers of all time", I can still tag it with "Se7en - Great movie and scary thriller about deadly sins starring Brad Pitt & Morgan Freeman" along with a new tag called "Memento - Great movie and weird thriller that deals with amnesia starring Guy Pearce".

14 hours ago, kingtrn said:

TL;DR: +1 for this request (I'm willing to pay some more to have this feature)

I've read all the discussion above and completely agreed with everyone who need this feature. There are so much useful contexts to have multiple levels notebook including mine (I've been looking for this feature very long time).

In my humble opinion, and in my point of view and in my cases of use, I found TAG completely useless (for me). Yes it is useful, I may use it in other systems. But with Evernote, I've never used it, I always search my note by its title or the parent notebook, why? because 1.) I've already organize it to the right place (although not completely satisfied because of lacking of this feature); and 2.) If using tag, I have another organizing system in my head to remember (actually I've tried to use it but since then, I completely delete all the tags in my Evernote, they don't fulfill my cases of use)

It sounds to me like you are comparing tags in Evernote with tags in other software, which is unfair since I have yet to come across any other software which has implemented tags in any way similar to the way Evernote does.

The most fair description of tags in Evernote would be "Folders on a PC, except you can also place the same file in more than one folder".

However to mirror folders on a PC you now have to uncheck "automatically select child tags" in options in v6, as this new function makes Evernote behave more similar to how other software uses tags (like labels for filtering).

Take OPs post as an example.

Notebook Stack:
     To-Do
           Work
                 Job1234
                       On-Site Notes
                       Off-Site Notes
                       Manufacturing
                 Job4321
                       On-Site Notes
                       Off-Site Notes
                       Manufacturing
          Home
                 To-Buy
                       Shoprite
                       Costco
                       Lowes
                 To-Fix
                       Kitchen
                       Master Bedroom

This can be solved in many ways but the most easy way would be the following:

1. Have only ONE notebook called "My notes".

2. Create and drag and drop tags in a nest just like above. Done.

Now say I am fixing the kitchen and for that I have to buy a sink. I find a sink online on the Costco website and I clip it. If I am using a folder on a pc or a notebook to store it in, i would be forced to chose between putting the file in Costco under To-buy or in Kitchen under To-fix.

With tags, I put it in both. Now if i want to find it again later, i just navigate the tag nest/tag tree...

And since v6 you don't even have to type the first tag when creating a new note, if it already exists. You just navigate and click the desired tag in the nest and then click new note. The note will then automatically be placed under that tag (like creating a new file in a folder, or a new file in a notebook).

As a side note Evernote is also limited to 250 notebooks, but I have 11.000 tags..

2 hours ago, Moolzel said:

Please... I need this, too... I work in Music Production, Graphic Design, Web Design and Photography -among others.

There's no system of tags (as it is actually) that can help me to get my notes properly organized. I just need the ability to nest multiple notebooks. If I would do that with tags, that would be a terrible mess (not to mention that I can't have two tags with the same name!) There is "Noise" in Music Production, and in Photography, too. There is "Composition" in Music, in Design, and in Photography. What can I do, name the tags "Composition Music", "Composition Photography"? No, I won't, because that will make me loose a lot of time.

I need nested notebooks in unlimited levels, or at least five levels, or ten.
OR: The ability to color-code tags, so that I can have two or three "Composition" tags (one red for Photography, one blue for Design, ...)

I hope you can understand what I mean... There are people who just need a Notebook for Math, one for Geography, one for Chemistry... But there are many other people who need deeper, much deeper levels of Organization. Thanks.

You can't have two notebooks with the same name either. Notebooks are not in any way like folders on a PC.

Since v6, tags will be added automatically to a new note if the desired tag is selected (just like if you create a note in a notebook). Therefore the only big sorting issue that separated the two earlier, is no longer an issue. Color coding tags is possible as well. 

PS. People need to stop "confusing" notebooks with folders. Like I have written before. When was the last time you put a physical notebook within another physical notebook? It makes no sense.

On ‎2016‎-‎06‎-‎16 at 3:22 AM, TCSnipe said:

The Atlas function was very important to me. I was planning on syncing 10,000ish real estate records that I have stored in another database with geo coded information.  Any plan to bring back the Atlas feature?
Is there a work around (third party) that you are aware of that I can connect the geo data included in the Evernote record to display the records on a map?

 

Sample Property Data.xlsx

IdeaPlaces for iOS, if you have an apple product.

51 minutes ago, Coach Wade said:

Let me be blunt because I'm sick of this, Gustavgi. I'm not interested in a flame war with you, but if all you want to do is bend a knee to a company that can't get out of their own way because they confuse innovation with actual working products, then I don't care even a little bit what you have to say. In fact, let me be even more blunt: 

Noone is bending any knees for anyone here. If you read my post you saw that I too recognize both the bugs mentioned, but that I also know of other bugs as well.

My point was that if people like yourself stay in spite of those bugs (maybe because they are only very annoying), there is really not enough incentive to put every priority on fixing those instead of pushing the software further.

I am one of the first to say that 2012-2015 were terrible years for EN. But my reason for saying that isn't the lack of bug fixing. For me it was that there was really no effort put into making EN as a "second brain"-software better. It was all about expanding into close-by, but for me, irrelevant areas.

The only thing I could see brake EN would be bad media concerning data loss/security, but they have already had those as well and survived.

And like you said - listening to the customer is important. And if EN were to continue slacking when it comes to new RELEVANT features in the upcoming future, I am sure that the competition will come up with something that would make me consider moving.

6 hours ago, rtglennr@earthlink.net said:

I love Evernote and use it extensively everyday.

One key feature I would like to use in Evernote is the ability create or link words or tags within a note

You highlight a word or phrase or create a tag to link to another topic within the same note.

A simple example is a TOC or table of contents within a note linking details in the note with related details in the same note.

I know I can create another note but then I end up with to many notes.

Jumping around between notes is counterproductive when you are creating research notes with many links.

Every time I create a note, I  end up searching online to see if this is possible.

Please seriously consider this since you already have the know how to do this

with your copy a note link feature.

Thanks,

RG

There is a workaround for what you are asking for here:

https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/83621-create-jump-links-in-your-notes-with-elin

Run the program. give the "Jump name" a (hidden) name that doesn't conflict with any other words/word combinations in the note. Give the "Link text" the name you want displayed as your link, and give "Destination text" the name of the header you want to jump to in the text.

After you have generated the text, you copy the first line and paste it into the note where you want the link. And the second line where you want the link to jump.

The reason why this works is because the second line which looks like plain text, actually has a hidden code in it which contains the hidden "Jump name". The link is therefore searching for the hidden "jump name" and not for the plain text.

It's a bit cumbersome to do, but at least it's a choice for when you really need it. You can also create a note "template" and just copy that for later uses.

I doubt this will ever be implemented as a feature in the client, mainly because of how EN relies on everything to work across platforms.

27 minutes ago, WeCanLearnAnything said:

For the record, I use Evernote all the time and it has greatly improved my life.

That being said, I may be an extreme case, but this is the Evernote announcement I'd love to hear:

 

 

Dear Evernote Users,

For the rest of 2016 and 2017, we will be introducing no new front-end features at all. There will be no new buttons, no new menus, no new interfaces, no new colors, nothing new at all. We will be launching no new products, no new services, no new marketing campaigns, no new branding, no new pricing, nothing of the sort. We are putting all new front-end ideas and feature requests on hold.

Instead, from now until 2018, ALL developers will spend ALL of their time:

1. Deleting underutilized features and
2. Making the remaining features just work. Think bulletproof. Think zero glitches. Think flawless back-end.

We're going to eliminate copy/paste weirdness.

In tables, the up key will move the cursor - you guessed it - up! And the down key will move the cursor - you guessed it - down!

Fonts will be predictable and will not randomly switch to the magical (and otherwise unobtainable) size of 13 (link 1, link 2).

Print preview and printing will prove worthy of shopping lists (i.e. they won't randomly crop out tiny slices of text while misaligning lists).

URLs that Evernote generates will work right away.

We won't make you figure out how to eliminate the double-icon in your taskbar.

That's just the beginning; a lot of great things will happen behind the scenes, too. And when the software works, we'll have earned your trust, and you'll know you can trust Evernote for your life's work, to remember everything, as a digital extension of your brain.

Nothing is going to distract us. Nothing is going to stop us. We're going to make Evernote just work.

Chris O'Neill

CEO, Evernote

 

 

FYI, the glitches mentioned here are ones with which I've become familiar in the past few months. I bet there are a lot of other ones, too. And although there are new features I'd love to see (namely adding text boxes to ink notes), it's probably better to make old stuff work than it is to make new things.

Thoughts?

Sure those are some of the annoying bugs that keep showing up, but it's not what makes/breaks a multi million dollar company.

Your strategy would though. EN has never been under more pressure with Apple Notes and Dropbox Paper etc. Marketing and new features are essential to the company staying relevant in the near future. Sure, there is no need for new features that tries to make EN something it's not, like what's been done in the recent past, but it needs new core-product features.

If I were EN i would invest heavily in AI and functions which would make everyone's EN experience more personlized. Maybe something similar to "Google on Tap" but for your EN content etc.

Even though I'm sceptical of the Context feature when it comes to external sources, the Context function of showing my own related notes was a step in the right direction. However it needs to be more easily accessable from anything and everywhere. Now it's just "hidden" at the bottom of a note..

And you should be careful with using other people's names, even if it's just as a hypotical example..

9 hours ago, Jerren said:

If I include a link to NoteA inside of NoteB, when I click on the link (in NoteB) and Evernote jumps to NoteA, there is not an easy way to jump back to NoteB.  As far as I can tell, the only way to do this two-way navigation is to manually copy the Note Link for each note into the other note.

It would be nice if NoteA would provide somewhere (maybe in the Info menu) a list of all the Notes that contain a reference to the current Note (a BackLink list).

The scenario is that I keep a notebook containing a daily work journal of what I've done (one note for each day). I keep a separate notebook containing notes with details about the different projects I'm working on.  I like to include a link in my daily journal note to the project note if something significant was done.  It would be nice if the project note provided me with a list of all notes that contain a link to it, so that I could quickly jump back to the daily journal notes.

 

Currently, I see these as my alternatives since a BackLink list isn't provided:

• Use Tags to group the notes
• Use the navigation history buttons on the menu to jump back.

 

Would this BackLink list feature help you with the way you use Evernote, or should I change my organization methods?

You can navigate back by using the browser arrows in the menu. If you open the note in a separate window, the arrows will appear automatically in that window. If you are moving from NoteA to NoteB inside the main window, you first have to customize the main toolbar to include the navigation arrows. You do that by right clicking in the area around the current buttons (like Sync, All Notes, New Note)

a Comments feature like in Dropbox would be amazing not just for working in teams.

A lot of times when you have clipped an entire article, and you come back to that article, it's hard to see where in the text the relevant information is and quickly recognize why the portion was relevant. The highlighting function is there, but you are still required to read the text to find out why it was relevant. A quick comment placed visibly on the side would fix that.

I'm pretty sure that this "bug" is connected to the Bootstrapper error which started to occur and prevented new update-installations back in March 2013. The necessary solution seem to have been to have the Windows installation do a more invasive clean-up of the earlier installation.

I think it only affects the icons that you add yourself. Since Evernote uses the "clean utility", those icons lose their target once the .exe is gone, and Evernote isn't able to know where those icons are and update them once the exe is back in place. 

You can also try just restarting explorer.exe and see if that helps the next time you update.

You added the Oh yourself But I tried it again just now by updating, and the icons return after I have started Evernote after a reboot.

Plenty of people have this bug. I'm pretty sure it's connected to the fact that Evernote included a separate uninstall-process as a part of the update-process to deal with the 2732 windows error bug that people suffered a while back. In my experience though, the shortcuts will be restored automatically in the same place as it was if you close Evernote after updating and run Evernote at least one time. You might also have to restart the PC.

As a developer, I can attest that this would be an extremely easy feature to add. It could be done in three steps:

Please stop posting identical content to different topics. If you want to comment, then that's fine, but do it once, and then post links. For example, I responded to your identical post here: http://discussion.evernote.com/topic/29436-user-assigned-thumbnail-images/?p=203664

That would make even more sense if it was also practiced by Evangelists, say when responding to feature requests with the standard explanation that Evernote has their own priorities in which we have no insight.