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why desperate? i tried the export-import for a couple pages so far. it imports back fine, but loses certain things, like toggle lists (the content is preserved, but it's a bulleted list, not a toggle any more). i have exported all my notion workspace and will test the import soon.

I haven't had any issues with offline EN on Android. To my mind, the lack of offline capabilities is a significant strike against Notion, especially on the desktop where EN is solid. Granted, sync is a difficult nut to crack, but in the current international climate the threat of major internet disruptions has grown to a level that makes me nervous having all my notes online with only manual ability to back them up.

thanks @ferol for updating the spreadsheet. last night i tried UpNote. very nice, light and good looking, just notes. reminded me of the EN of old. imports EN well, but not at the stack level like Notion. cheap. in the end tho, if a company doesn't have dragging notebooks into notebooks and a web-based client as priorities, i can't go with them.

it is not tragic it is what it is. in the end i want to move away from EN to something where i can stay as long as i stayed on EN (24 years).

very true. while there is a path from EN to Notion and other similar apps, there is no path back, you're locked in the tool.

i apologize. in my last post i was agreeing with you: if their core text rendering is antiquated HTML as you say, this feature may be a big lift for EN. not very encouraging.

so far i haven't really created any databases in Notion. i have migrated most of my EN notes (4000+) to Notion. A stack in EN is a page in Notion (eg "courses" on the left). Under it is a "database" (ie a EN notebook - the middle column, "The Digital and the Analog"). Each of the columns in the database is a page (ie note - right hand column). Notion created these databases automatically when i imported my EN stacks and notebooks. For me this is enough (and it doesn't cost $130/year). I doubt i'll be creating any new fancy databases in the near future.

for the record, i am currently in the process of moving to notion.

thank you, @ferol for starting this thread! very useful list. i didn't notice some of them (like the limited fonts in Notion) because they're really not important to me. BTW, you can embed youtube videos in EN, just paste in the link and hit return. i would add: Display number of notes/pages in notebook/database: EN yes (automatically); Notion yes (but requires manual intervention) Collapsible lists: EN no; Notion yes Free tier: EN yes (very limited, practically just a demo); Notion yes (unlimited number of pages, some limitations) AI for text: EN yes (only for formatting); Notion yes (powerful text manipulation, but not free) Search in attachments: EN yes; Notion no

no need to spell out the differences. this means that EN doesn't have a modern text rendering system and relies on some outdated xhtml in which everything is static and button elements are either unimplemented or unable to be made dynamic programmatically. so you're right, a big job. and pretty sad.

really? i'm a software engineer and what you say makes no sense. others like Notion have had toggle lists for years. is EN code so outdated that it takes a major effort to implement what is by now practically trivial CSS? (i have no idea what "extended indexes" you're talking about). btw, confirming an added feature works as expected is normal QA, not the gargantuan task you imagine it to be. how hard can it be to confirm that a toggle list works in a number of scenarios both in the clients and in the major browsers? so i understand if this feature is low on the priority list because there are other more important ones ahead. just don't tell us stories about the great complexity of a collapsible list in 2024.

I wonder how you know all this. Do you have information from the development team that they did an analysis of this feature and consider it too difficult to implement?

after warts, i wanted to update with some of the "beauty spots" in notion that i found so far (haven't even played with one of its main features, the database, yet): ability to get a structure deeper than two levels (yes, i always wanted this ability) I tested the AI (which is a paid feature) and it is very impressive at modifying text: i can ask it to format text as reference and even tell it what kind of reference style it should be (eg i can tell it: "format as IEEE reference") and it does a great job i can ask it to add diacritics to text in languages that use that. for example, if i type "...sans reflechir aux consequences, et voila le resultat" it's going to offer "...sans réfléchir aux conséquences, et voilà le résultat". it does everything that EN AI Cleanup does (i can ask it: "beautify", or "reformat text") but i can apply it to any text selection, not only to the whole note its "Turn into..." command is very useful, you select text or page and can tell it to turn it into all sort of things including toggle lists, pages etc

i'm also working on migrating to Notion. what aspects of Evernote do you find lacking in Notion so far (beside not having an offline mode)?

some of those "warts": the process of importing from evernote into notion is buggy, had to do it over several days their web clipper is unpredictable and doesn't have all the options the evernote one has if you like seeing the number of your notes/pages in a notebook/database displayed automatically for you, you're out of luck their search is less powerful than evernote's

after 23 years of evernote on paid plans from the very beginning, i'm sad to say that i'm in the process of moving my 4000+ notes somewhere else (to notion). i don't mind paying for what i use, but the latest price increase just doesn't match what i need any more. i don't use tasks, calendars, AI and some of the other shiny things evernote uses to justify the price increase.

I'm on the latest version of Chrome on Monterey. The Evernote web clipper now asks me to log in. After I enter my credentials, it reverts to the first login screen without logging me in and without any error messages. Has anyone seen this?

there is sense in sorting by size if your disk space is limited and you want to prune large notes. and if legacy evernote could do it, i don't see why the new improved one can't.

thanks for the reply, appreciate it. i waited a long time before upgrading, but it seems i missed this feature when i did my research, otherwise i would not have upgraded. i will probably go back to legacy as @PinkElephant suggested.

thanks for the reply. the reason i need this is not due to plan limits (i have premium) but to disk limits. currently i don't see a way to install the evernote db on a different drive, so i want to prune it of large notes that i don't need any more. question: if i installed legacy, would it use the same database as the latest version, or would it create its own database?

If I'm not mistaken, the old Evernote allowed a sort by size on the notes. The new one can only sort by Title and Dates. So has this functionality been removed? How can I find out which are my largest notes among the 4000 or so I have? Thanks.

The fact that clipping now has to open the EN app (which is already slowish) is annoying. Then the fact that you cannot change the notebook it saves to (the search doesn't work) makes this feature kind of labor intensive. This is not clipping any more, it's worse than copy and paste. My solution on Samsung Galaxy tablet? Back to version 8.x. Now clipping works as it should and the app is snappy (https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/evernote-corporation/evernote/evernote-8-13-3-release/#downloads)

Yes, slow for me too. Plus all sorts of other annoyances. I went back to the old app: https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/evernote-corporation/evernote/evernote-8-13-3-release/#downloads