abdu

9 hours ago, janndk said:

I probably wouldn't use UpNote to store lot of important or sensitive material - but it's intriguing to follow how a "team" with only 2 persons (compared to Bending Spoons 400? persons) can build a notetaking app that in many usercases is a real alternative to Evernote.

Two founders. They could be hiring other full time and/or contract developers.

6 minutes ago, jrdunson said:

Dave, thanks... however, what I've experienced....is that sending info to feedback@evernote.com is basically a dead end.   The recipients don't respond.   I am a Premium supporter - it seems like evernote should have better customer support. 

I've also noticed another 'pop-up'  'hint' that is an issue... that is, when I highlight paragraph, a pop-up called 'AI Edit' appears... this is also an annoying feature... that I would like to disable... i don't need the pop-up for every paragraph or note I take... 

It seems that the developers just add thing - ** assuming ** that users will like it... and present them as 'great new features'   

When it fact, it just makes some us to want to go else where... to do note-taking or writing ... 

Why can 'new features' be optional?

Jarrell

if you're expecting more than a Thank you reply, you should contact them through the contact us page if you want personalized replies. 
If their feedback mailbox is not connected to their ticket system, don't expect much.. or anything. 

Some of these mailboxes are just queues for when someone has time to look at them.
 

I have my doubts about a $30 lifetime as a business model. Can a company survive a small lifetime fee while its customers is incurring daily expenses in terms of traffic and storage? The company has to pay for this storage and traffic for every customer forever.

Lately I have seen a lot of updates from Evernote. The most in all my years of using it. It appears to me this has coincided with their forcing their 51+ notes customers to pay up. I was one of them. More revenue = more resources for development.

I am going to check out https://joplinapp.org/. Looks pretty good. This will save me more than $100 a year.

9 minutes ago, LoriMachelle said:

Yes, it does support Windows, and yes, you have to pay if you want more than 50 notes. At $.99/month, it was worth it to me. I have thousands of notes. You can also get a lifetime access for something like $30. That is cheaper than EN!

This is what I see. Maybe it's wrong.

17 minutes ago, LoriMachelle said:

Evernote user since 2012. Use it for work and home for so many things. The new EN app on my iPad, iPhone and Windows are clunky and slow. So, I just switched to UpNote. Have imported 8,000+ notes. UpNote is working great! The interface is clean and I am SO GLAD I made the switch. Using it on Windows and my iPhone. 

Does UpNote exist for Windows? The website says it doesn't yet. Not one that supports the paid version to support more than 50 notes.

On 3/27/2024 at 1:07 PM, Efraim Queiroz said:

Does anyone suggest a tool that respects the user and does not create rules to harm usability?

This statement is very general.

You can post here about what feature in Evernote that's embedding your definition of usability and maybe there's a workaround. 
There's a setting now to hide the issue that caused this thread.

I see the setting in 10.81.4 now.

1 hour ago, PinkElephant said:

Update to 10.81, if you don't have it installed yet. Select this option (2, 3) on the 3 dots menu (1):

I am at 10.80.3 and Evernote says I have the most current version. Are you downloading this from some link or updating from within Evernote?
Maybe the updates are not available to the world at the same time.

Where are you accessing the 3 dots from? My 3 dots don't anything like this. I know yours is German. It seems you're on a Mac so maybe that's why the different version. BTW, I asked about Windows.

15 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

Others enjoy the development - this /-command means you can insert quite complex elements with just a few keystrokes.

Don‘t like the direction - go watching for an alternative. You find enough Threads about it in the forum.

No one is saying to stop the development. We're asking for settings to turn off these disruptive features. Not everyone enjoys a UI that's heavy in bells and whistles. Some of us prefer a minimalist UI and hidden features. When we want something, we can turn it on on demand.
We know about the / feature already. No need to show it all the goddamn time!

Is the setting to turn it off in the WIndows version yet?

If they add a constant at-your-face visual features, they need to have to a setting to turn it off. Any UI expert knows this.
This feature is really annoying and it clutters every line.

On 3/22/2024 at 8:38 PM, shoaib_shaikh said:

I have thousands of notes in Evernote - Software Engineer by profession who loves to write and maintain notes.
Honestly, not grandfathering your old users is not a great idea.
I moved to UpNote with my big pool of notes - I am happy so far with the decision.
If I change my mind I will update here.

Windows upgrade is not yet available for UpNote and the free option supports 50 notes only.
Totally useless for me now.

Windows 10.78.2

Once you click 'open menu' from the 'Keyboard Shortcuts' settings, you can't close it by clicking the x. You have to close the settings window first.
Clicking on open menu again, closes it. That's not discoverable by everyone.

This is a weird UI behavior and I consider it a bug.

Is there a way to have the shortcuts always visible? They disappear once you scroll up the notebooks list.
In the legacy version, the shortcuts used to be fixed at the top. I liked that. 
There needs to be a way to have them fixed and showing all the time. Like bookmark/favorite var in browsers. 

Suddently all my notes in all the notebooks, the title and the body, are showing in the center of the note pane instead of on the left. 
This seems to have happened after the last update.

How to restore it to the default view?

Comparing the price of a service to Netflix's is not fair. Netflix has about 240 million paid members in the world. Any company with such scale can lower its prices. 
 

14 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

You are soooo right.

Excel has 430 functions, and now I counted, and I only use 41 of them.

Am I now entitled for a 90% rebate ? Have to urgently request it from Microsoft.

‘ll be back soooooon 🏃🏻‍♂️

Why don't you ever quote what you're replying to!? I lost track of whom you're replying to and what the point you're trying to make.This thread has multiple users making comments in case you didn't notice.
You seem to be bothered about something. 
 

21 minutes ago, Wanderling Reborn said:

At least, you only do it once...

The other big issue is that in the dark mode, which is important for me, I can't read the text because the text stays in black. There's hardy any contrast between the text and the background color. I am also skeptical about free software that depends on donations.
I am making these points for the benefit of others who might want to check Joplin out.

11 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

I better don’t tell you what I expected.

I am just happy that my payments will now stay in the company, driving services and development instead of financing the greed of others.

That there is a Free plan, and eternal use was not sanctioned does not mean I must agree that it’s „normal“ to avoid payments, and let others foot the bill, for up to 15 years.

Not everything that’s legal is right.

If you want to pay, go ahead and pay. Good for you and for the company.

If the company is offering a free plan and the company thinks it's right and people are making use of it, you shouldn't have an issue with it. 
The company is offering choices and people are choosing. You seem to have a gripe that you're paying and others are not. You get what you pay for.
You get more because you pay.
 

10 minutes ago, Wanderling Reborn said:

With these requirements, Joplin seems like a perfect candidate. I don't use it for a number of reasons that you're not interested in.

My first step with Joblin is ti import my enex files. When I found out that I had to do it one file at a time, that turned me off right there. 

13 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

People are lazy - right so: Lazy enough that some trials took 15 years now, and were not finished when the new plan kicked in.

No wonder these users get emotional: Just a few years more, and they would have been ready to decide …

Lazy 🤣🤣🤣

There were no trial plans with EN. If a plan works for years and it's free, of course they will stick to it. What did you expect?
Why pay when you don't have to. 

 

11 hours ago, ferol said:

I don't know why they did it that way. Maybe the import is more reliable when they upload it directly to their servers than when it is done locally on the user's computer... I don't care. It works.

I've tried it, but it's not perfect that import especially with more complicated formatting. The text itself transfers fine. Just not everything was correct for example BOLD etc. They have a very active Discord, the software is in strong development.

They are supporting imports from many software. So maybe they are implementing frequent changes. Updating a single import location, their servers, is a lot easier and faster than upgrading all the client software for all their users just for import changes. Plus it keeps the client app smaller in size.

4 minutes ago, CalS said:

@abdu I don't know what long time means to everyone.  A month or two seems fair to me to evaluate something like EN.  Years makes no sense.

I've used free as well.  Still have some free cloud storage, a few GB, that I haven't moved to MEGA or OneDrive, it's not pressing.  DropBox changes their plan I'll move it. 

Personally I think EN gave away too much for too long. When I signed on in 2008 or 2009 I subscribed right away as I liked the product and wanted to pay for the value received.  Likewise, when V10 came along and my use case got borqued I moved on and quit paying. 

End of the day I have never understood the free lunch mentality.  It's the company's choice not the user's.  Though BP could show a bit more grace providing transition timelines.  🤷‍♂️

I am not sure what you're proposing. Remove the free plan and put instead a free trial? Why?
The new 1/50 limit will purge many users in upcoming weeks. Freeing storage and resource.
Some of us get a free trial to kick the tires then get distracted or we weren't that interested initially. We're not actively evaluating the software to make a purchase decision.
For example, I may come to EN today to check out the software and start a trial, if they had one, and I am also checking other notes software and this is taking some time, maybe weeks and come back to EN and find out the trial expired, guess what will happen? I am going to concentrate on the apps that have free options and take my time with them. EN has lost me as a potential customer. Unless I contact EN and ask for a trial extension. I don't think many people do this. People are lazy.

2 minutes ago, CalS said:

It seems a time limit trial for new users and a sunset day for existing basic users would provide a fair testing environment and an eventual clean up. 

One notebook and 50 notes sounds like target practice with no bullets.  And not sure free makes sense for a kind of mature product.  One opinion in the wilderness. 

Users like free options. Me included. I was using a weather service to get historical weather data using their free plan. The first next paid option is $35/month. I am not going to pay that for using the service a bit.

We also like to test products for a long time to make sure it works. Sometimes we get busy and forget to test the product and when we have time or remember, the trial has expired and we're stuck with having to pay. The free plan is already pretty limited. They can purge inactive users. The ones who seems to have  moved to another company but kept their Evernote account, just in case and it's free anyway.

7 hours ago, gazumped said:

I'm also surprised that existing users with (way) more than 50 notes get to keep their free online storage.  I agree that closing that down overnight would be totally unacceptable - but I'd be surprised if Evernote were not monitoring how many non-subscribers use more than say 1.5GB of storage,  and planning to do something about that at the end of next year when all of the subscription changes have rolled through...

(Apologies by the way for the earlier brain freeze when I got legacy users mixed up with price rises...)

These users won't be able to add any more new notes. I am pretty sure users who have many notes add new notes frequently. If they can't anymore, I expect they would either upgrade or move away. Both outcomes is what the company wants.