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36 minutes ago, gazumped said:

You didn't find the big red flash that said "You're using outdated software" a big enough hint?  And they're not 'forcing' you to upgrade - they're just as happy if you make a decision and leave.  They either get some income to pay for your months of use,  or they put an end to a drain on their resources.  I'd say it's a win either way.

I have never ever seen  "You're using outdated software" red flash . I am using the latest v10.x and always update when there's a new version. It's not outdated. You must be confused with users using the legacy version.
What's the relationship between 'outdated' software and changes in plans and feature? Outdated software does not indicate change in plans. 


Yes they are forcing users to upgrade if they don't notify clearly to users that what they used to be able to do won't work anymore. I am not talking about their business decision and why they did it. They know that without warning users about the change, some users will have to pay so they can add notes. They're not going to have enough time to do research for a new app, migrate and be able to add notes in the new app in a very short time. I paid for a month so that I can give myself time to research other alternatives and make a decision to move or stay. I am certainly not happy for not being able to add notes suddenly. 

I also didn't get emails about their plan to change their offerings. All I have been seeing is the discounts and 'last chance' which showed for a very long time causing its lack of effectiveness.
My whole reply was about their lack of giving users enough notice. You can stop talking about why they changed their plans. We already know why and how good it is for them.

They have been posting in your face ads for discounts for months but they couldn't put similar notifications or warnings that free users will only be able to have 50 notes and one notebook!? Come on Evernote. They did this sweeping move to 'force' users to upgrade and get a sudden influx of revenue. I paid for one month and probably will move to another app during the month. I found one that's 1/3 of Evernote's price.

1 hour ago, PinkElephant said:

When they say something on their website, it’s a starting point.

You can check in the AppStore as well - devs need to declare their privacy details there. 

 

They can say whatever they like on their website.
I am not using notes mobile apps. Mobile devs can't publish apps to app stores without posting privacy pages anyways. It's already a requiement from the beginning. It's not as if some do and don't and users pick apps that do. 

8 hours ago, s2sailor said:

As you test drive various Evernote options and compare features and functions also be mindful of security and how they protect your data.

And how do you verify and check for how they protect your data? They can say anything on their web site. It doesn't mean they actually do what they say.

1 hour ago, ferol said:

I went through a quantum of systems, and the only one I liked as an alternative was Notesnook..  But I'm sticking with Evernote.

I was trying it now and I think I like it. Best one so far. Easy to use and does what I want. I am able to import the .enex files. Although the process could have been simpler. 
You have to use their website to import the .enex file and convert it into their .zip file which is imported in the app. Not sure why they didn't make it a simple oneclick import in the app. Not an issue since I can import all the .enex files in one swoop and it created all the notebooks with the proper names. Thumbs up.

I haven't installed it on another computer yet and test the syncing.

1 notebook with 50 notes will eliminate most of the free users. This spec is very limited. 
I think that's what the company wants. Either pay up or leave.

I am surprised the original Evernote company didn't do something similar. 2 devices with unlimited? notebooks and notes serveds many users well including myself for many years until I became a paid member today.

First of all, I am a believer of software needing revenue. However I am cheap and would use free resouces if they are available. So before I pay for Evenote, I wanted to check out free or less expensive alternatives. I looked at a couple alternatives mentioned in the forums.
Obsidian: I didn't find a way to import my Evernote notebooks. I created a note and didn't see a text formatting toolbar. I right clicked and didn't see options to format the text. I was turned off and already do not like it.
Nimbus: After anwering a bunch of questions, it showed me pricing plans. The free one wasn't there even though it was in the pricing page. Looks like it's web based only. I didn't like it.

My use case of Evernote is just having a bunch of notebooks with notes and some of the notes having images. Syncing between two desktop Windows machines. I use search. No mobile devices. I am not interested in tags, pdfs, OCR, scanning or any advanced feature.
I am not liking the price of $130/year for the way I use Evernote. I believe there should be a less expensive plan for light users. The free plan is unusable for me.

Are there any Evernote clones or similar? I just want a Windows desktop app on two machines. Easy to use. It must be able to import Evernote notebooks and notes or there's a third party converter between Evernote and the app. Notes' text can be formwatted and images can be pasted into them.
I might check out OneNote. I don't have an Office 365 subscription.
If I find nothing, I will pay for Evernote.


 

8 hours ago, Mike P said:

As I explained in my post above, when you double click an enex file it imports the notes in the enex file  into your default notebook. In your case it is called Misc in my case it is called @inbox. The default notebook is indicated by a star on the notebook icon.  There is no merging of notebooks or anything like that.

If you want to import the notes somewhere else you need one of the other two options. Although the documentation does describe the three different ways of importing an enex file, it doesn't tell you the destination of the notes if you double click the enex file, which is oversight.

Surely double clicking an enex file is something you do once, realise it wasn't what you wanted to do, and never do it again. Not worth slowing up everybody's workflow with an unnecessary warning message (which  was the purpose of @PinkElephant's comment about Vista.)

I wasn't aware I had a default notebook or such thing existed. I have been using it for many many years and maybe it's something I did very long time ago which I don't recall now. The import message could have been more descrptiive by saying something.. notes have been imported into your default Notebook, Misc. 

The notebooks I doubleclicked as testing were imported into Misc. Merge and import mean the same thing to me. Merge is importing into an existing notebook.

11 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

Yes, you are so right, you know it better than all software engineers, and better than your fellow users in the forum as well.

No software currently works as you desire, so better start with Microsoft and Apple, to redesign their OS. And take care with your double clicking until you succeed.

Elephant man, I can propose recommendations and auggestions. BTW I am a software engineer and I can see most software is broken one way or another. Why don't you once in your life time admit Evernote has some faults instead of defending it all the time.

Doubleclicking an .enex file does tell you the destination. In my case, it was the Miss notebook. Someone said it's because it's my default notebook. I don't recall making it the default notebook. It should place it in a new notebook, just like the import from the file menu. Import should work the same way regardless of how the user launches it.
Merging it in my default notebook is not what I wanted. That's why there should be a prompt because for some users it's not the desired effect and there's no way to undo it. The prompt slowed you down and your life became miserable? Then check the 'Do not show again' check box which is the proper UX/UI that should have been done. That's what I proposed. Evernote has issues and bugs. Stop shooting down ideas to make it better. It's stupid. I never understood why some people oppose a suggested feature that is helpful to users and which can be easily turned off. You don't even have to go looking for it to turn it off.

2 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

Why do you ask questions here that you could answer by a simple search of the EN help database ? Is it asked too much to inform yourself ?

Here you go:

https://help.evernote.com/hc/en-us/articles/360035153274

The other approach to learn how it works would be to export a notebook, and import it again. What happens is this: With the double click, the EN application is started, and the ENEX file is imported into a new notebook, with the ENEX file name plus the word "Imported" - slightly different on Windows and Mac.

All imported notes are in there. You can get rid of it again by sending the notebook to the trash - this moves all notes to the trash as well.

That's it ...

About a confirmation notice: Windows Vista had these "Oh, let the user confirm it before ...". A joke back then was if a car would be running on Windows Vista, and had a crash. Popup in the display "We detected a possible crash. Do you want us to open the Airbags ?". And then a list of options, including "Maybe", "Let me think it over" and "Yes please, but do it softly".

No airbags needed on importing ENEX files into EN.

 

 

Why don't you try it for yourself before you jump to the keyboard and reply with an annoying attitude?
Importing by double clicking doesn't work like importing from the file menu. From the file menu, it imports into a new notebook called (imported) notebookbname. So even the docs is not correct. The docs doesn't mention the parenthesis,
When you doubleclick, it imports into a notebook called Misc. I already had a notebook called Misc, so the silly Evernote merged some notebooks into an existing notebook instead of creating a new one. That's clearly a bug. It should have notified me I already have a notebook called Misc. And why on earth there are two different outcomes for an import operations!?

Your last thing about Vista is pointless and serves no purpose. 
BTW, my post wasn't a question. It's about the lack of a prompt when I doubleclicked. I didn't know it was going to import. It wasn't about how to import. You're annoying and seem to take pleasure in showing people that they are inept. 

 

43 minutes ago, Mike P said:

I'm not sure that that is really practical. I don't get a message from Word every time I open a word document saying "do you really want to open this Word file in Word". Other than @Boot17's good point about upload limits, there is no harm done by opening the file. It will always be added to the default notebook and you can delete it if you need to. I'm not sure that an app opening a file that is associated with that app is particularly newsworthy.

 

For info, what EN does to an enex file depends on how you open it in EN. See

 

 

 

When you open a file in Word, all it does it opens it. No state has changed. No harm done. Opening an .enex file and it says ok imported, it's a jarring UX. Where did it go? Did it merge with an existing notebook? Did it sync with it? Did it overwrite something? Did it add something? Did it...? Did it..? Can I undo the import? Did it sync already with the other devices? Too many uncomfortable questions. Surely you can't compare this experience with opening a file in Word. There's no comparison. In Word, just close the file if you accidently opened it.

What's the objection to a confirmation dialog? There can be a 'Do not show again' checkbox and if you don't want to see it again, simply check the box.
A good UX is one that makes everyone happy. I don't like surprises and importing an .enex file without me knowing exactly what is happening is not a good experience.

If there's a manual or documentation that explains what happens during an import, Well OK. How many people will read the docs just before double clicking an .enex file? Either no one or very very few people.


 

2 hours ago, Boot17 said:

If the ENEX is a large one, it could exceed the storage limits and effectively lock you out for a month. I mean that's probably (?) a rare care, but seems like it would be a good idea to confirm on bigger imports vs auto-importing.

Yes there should be an 'Are you sure?" prompt before importing' Any operation in any app that can have an adverse effect MUST always verify with the user first.

1 hour ago, PinkElephant said:

If you double click on a file in Windows, and there is a standard app defined for this format, it will open the file in that standard app. That is nothing we should even need to discuss. With ENEX opening means importing.

Since the import creates a new notebook, names it after the imported ENEX file and stuffs all notes into it, it is very simple to solve the double content. Just erase the notebook, which will send all notes to the trash, and then empty the trash.

Depending on the size of the ENEX file, it will consume a chunk of your upload limit. Usually I have a good part of my allowance unused when it resets itself, so for me this would not be a major issue. If it is for you, use the option on exporting to split the ENEX file into several smaller files.

And the next time, if you want to run secondary actions on a file like opening it with another app: The appropriate move it a right (secondary) mouse click, and then „Open with …“ plus the app of choice.

I know if a file extension is an associated with an app, doubleclicking opens the app. I already mentioned this fact. The normal operation is it OPENS the app and READS the file. Not some operation that might appear destructive like an import. I didn't know .enex extension was already associated with Everynote.

I imported an enex called 'Medical' which is an export of a notebook called 'Medical'. I don't see another notebook with Medical in the name.

I am saying the proper thing to do is add a confirmation before doing an import. You can discuss this instead of telling me how I can open a file.

 

I exported my notebooks using a tool to .enex files. I doubleclicked on an .enex thinking Windows was going to ask me which app to use. I wanted to see what's inside the file so I was going to use a text editor. What happened is that EverNote imported the file without asking me first. WTH! This operation seems to be too dangerous without prompting the user for confirmation first. I understand that .enex files are associated with Evernote. However if that .enex was an old one, I am not sure what state the notebook would have been in after the import and I might have lost some notes if the import synchronizes with the file. I won't be happy.

18 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

Reporting means writing a file to the local computer, build from data and metadata. This can take a little. You click export, and then you wait while it happens.

It is rather no hit & run action, so plan to do it in times when you will not work with the client.

I am saying the same action became a lot slower. Something used to work fast and not anymore. 

I have no idea what 'when you will not work with the client' means. When I export I am working in the client. Evernnote can't do anything else while it's exporting a notebook.

Yes I can wait. I can switch to do something else. I am just making an observation. I can still export.

I noticed that exporting a notebook to enex format has become a lot slower. A notebook with 150 notes used to take like 5 seconds. Now it takes about 30 seconds and I can see the percentage progress increasing 1% at a time. It wasn't like this before. I have a very fast machine.

Renaming a notebook requires you to type it all. So if you have a long notebook name and you just want to do a tiny update to the name, you have to type it all!
It seems to me whoever designed that UI has little knowledge of basic UI/UX. They never renamed a folder or a file using File explorer and noticed the original name is in the textbox!?
It's not a big deal. Just mentioning an annoyance.
 

I do have a lot more notes than 121. But I will never be able to beat your 20,235 posts. I have never seen someone who had more posts than that in all my years in hundreds of forums.

Don't use 'We' and instead just talk about yourself. You don't represent the EN community.

I can mention a bug or what I think is an Issue or something I don't llike about EN or state any opinion I want as long as it pertains to EN.
This is not your personal forums to tell people what they can post or not post. There are no rules that state no bugs can be reported.
You even said it's not a bug. While it's preferable to contact support.
Did it occur to you maybe I am trying to see if it's an actual bug?

It seems with your 20,000+ posts count, you camp in these forums all the time and just argue with everyone. I don't think you know when to quit. So STFU.

39 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

With 121 posts (the later ones about an issue that most users won’t ever have, because they don’t wrap a single note into a notebook) I would say there is room for improvement.

You are welcome here, the forum can’t have enough fellow users who enjoy writing about their experience.

Even if it is about exotic use cases, like exporting a single note by stuffing it into an individual notebook.

 

What's your point? I don't care if I am the only EN user who has a notebook with only 1 note.

So other users are aware of the issue.
Because I want to and I like writing posts.

Maybe someone here knows why it happens and tells us the logic behind it.

Maybe support reads the forums. I don't know for sure.

Pick one of the above.

 

Read my comment to another fellow about opening a ticket with supoort. I already know I can contact support. It's not worth it.

Different people use tools in different ways. So stop suggesting that by not using tags, I am crippled. The way I use EN works just fine with me.
EN didn't even have tags in the early versions.
Your analog is dumb. I drive an automatic any way! If this discussion is useless then stop replying. 

9 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

Usually notebooks are a secondary tool to organize in EN. I use tags to organize - much better, because a note can hold several tags at the same time.

If you are committed to notebooks (folders), EN is probably not the best solution anyhow.

Just because you use tags to organize notes, organizing by notebooks is secondary. The early versions of EN didn't support tags. It was organzing by notebooks ever since EN came to life.  That's the structure you see in EN. By notebooks. I never use tags. I place notes in notebooks and if I need to find a note I use search. I know what keywords I know for sure are in a note. I can't say the same thing for tags. That's why searching by keywords is much reliable than tags. I can even search by partial words if I am not sure enough.

It's a bug if the behavior is not consistant and the same. Sometimes the filename is the notebook name and sometimes it's the title of the note. In both cases, the notebook had one note.
It's not a pain. Since I know about this issue, I just copy the notebook name into the clipboard and paste into the fiel dialog. Not worth my time to open a ticket for EN.

Well.. when you create a new notebook, you start with one note and then you add more notes in the future. Who says it has to have many notes from the beginning.
Just like folders on a computer. Some folders have just one file. Some physical folders start with one document and so on.

A notebook is a notebook whether it has one note in it or a million. The export should not care how many notes are in there. 
Plus a note can have a title that has no indication which notebook it came from. I can have a note titled 'July expenses'. If the export exports it with that name,  I have no idea if it came from the Expenses notebook or from the Taxes notebook.

I hope this makes it clear for you.