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19 hours ago, gazumped said:

Hi.  Has this been the case for a while,  or did it appear recently after one of those updates?  Best usual fix is to backup the database folder,  uninstall Evernote,  restart and reinstall.  Meantime Evernote can easily be started from the Start menu,  and if you want to replace that icon,  try right-clicking the icon and 'remove from start menu',  then find the program file in your list of apps and right-click it and 'add to start menu' to replace the shortcut.

Actually, the fix is easier. Just unpin the blank icon. And re-pin. Officially, Microsoft does not allow access to changing user choices (pinning is one), so the installer doesn't try to do nefarious things like other installers (Firefox!) do. Since the underlying exe has changed, MS no longer considers the previous pin a valid shortcut.

I'm pretty sure that's Windows. Windows "knows" the exe you mapped that too has been deleted (because of the installer) so it removes the mapping. There's not much EN can do about that...

11 minutes ago, CalS said:

adjust the driving to hit the time.... 

Wait, what? Must. Beat. The. Estimate! (yeah, not happening on my commute... 16mi on a 65mph highway - I'm lucky if it only takes 45min.)

22 hours ago, jefito said:

while I was working on this:

I remember that! I owned a number of versions of it. Still like how it determines estimated drive times better than what Google does now... (since it uses, by default, lower speed limits, it effectively accounts for stop lights - which google maps obviously doesn't - since my ETA always slips when I'm caught at a light!)

(I actually started fulltime AT&T in 89, started as a contractor there in 87)

21 hours ago, CalS said:

I was thinking brave with clipper opened to work account and chrome with clipper opened to home account,

When I worked at EN, that's pretty much what I did. Company stuff was via Chrome. Personal stuff (EN included) was via Firefox. (The Win client was pointing at either my company account or, more usually, test accounts)

10 hours ago, jefito said:

DOS? You must be old...

LOL. I started programming on Windows in 1992 (for AT&T/theychangedtheirname/NCR). Win3.1.

10 hours ago, CalS said:

Existentially, what is a backup that can't be restored...  

I know first hand... way back when, I had a tape backup system for my DOS system. When I needed it, I discovered it was write-only.

22 hours ago, jefito said:

though I didn't figured that the registry would be the problem

I'm pretty sure that was the last thing done during shutdown. Obviously making sure the database is properly closed is the highest priority!

22 hours ago, jefito said:

but sometimes the rules take a back seat to expediency

Guess I'm pretty lucky at this point in my career - my bosses usually listen to me when I say it's worth taking the extra time now! Age (and experience) do still count for something in our world! (mumblemumble young whippersnappers and their framework-of-the-week mumble...)

When importing, evernote loads the entire enex file into memory first (before parsing). Evernote is a 32bit process. So if you have a large enex, you will fail to load it. You can use a single large file as a backup mechanism, but you're not going to be able to get that back into EN...

15 hours ago, jefito said:

As long as Evernote's shutdown procedure is clean, quick, and orderly

2 out of 3's not bad...

17 hours ago, jefito said:

Rebooting to me means shutting down and restarting ones computer. If that's what they're doing, then I'd guess that that accomplishes the same thing as File/Exit.

Except that the clean shutdown process with EN sometimes takes longer than the time Windows allows when it's rebooting. End result - the registry settings don't properly get flushed. (Ever tried debugging a program during shutdown? Yeah, it's a problem... 🤣)

Before I left, I was working on a "stealth" project to always write the settings to the registry when they changed. That change was getting big/scary. Design advise: Never allow direct access to member variables in a C++ class.

As @jefito mentioned - use Task Manager. Every time I've seen EN not start when I try to, it's because of a hung process. Killing the existing EN processes allows things to return to normal. (The monitoring process gets very confused when EN crashes - the lock (global mutex) doesn't get cleaned up so when another instance tries to start, it goes "Oh, I'm already running - bye!")

4 hours ago, DTLow said:

Uncheck View as Attachment  

As I remember, if you set the global option for 'view as attachment', that's what all notes get (hence why the above is greyed out). If you uncheck the global option, then you can control notes individually.

1 hour ago, amartya said:

but I am talking about new Beta editor which is used in Evernote web. they are currently unavailable on apps.

That would probably be the confusion - as this forum is for the Windows beta...

On 9/10/2019 at 8:48 AM, Casper001 said:

Just one more reason why I like this forum. 🙂

From my Startup apps list I do see CCleaner (autostart = low impact) and "Evernote web clipper" and "Evernote tray application". Autostart impact for web clipper = medium and tray application is high. Even Google Backup and Sync = high impact. Does it slow my laptop/desktop down? No. 

Anyway, the question is not about CCleaner (but your note on CCleaner is well noted). If the Evernote application is not listed under Startup apps, where on Windows 10 can you find these then? Perhaps the registry? Not even listed here: "Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run"

Gosh, my bad. I cannot even see Evernote (other than the tray application and web clipper) in CCleaner either. So I have no idea where this setting is stored on Windows 10.

It  uses the shortcut-in-the-startup folder method. Windows 10 no longer makes that visible - it's in the `AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Startup` folder.

edit: Guess I should have read to the bottom before posting!

On 9/6/2019 at 3:57 PM, Erin B said:

I'm having the same issue. Evernote 6.20.2.8626 and Windows 10 Home. It's a relatively new Inspiron laptop, purchased in July 2019. I checked settings in the Evernote desktop app and in the startup menu but cant find an option to turn on the launch at startup feature. Very annoying since I use Evernote heavily. 

Are you using the direct download version? Or the Windows Store version? Launch at start up is not in the Store version (at least not as of June - we hadn't figured out how to launch a store app at startup when I left)

22 hours ago, WeCanLearnAnything said:

If the prior common editors were not abandoned back then, are they being abandoned now for this common editor?

Each previous incarnation is replaced by the next. As far as I can remember, if you've been using EN for a number of years, you're seen every "new editor" that was released.

As I understood it, the new "new editor" is part of the new program that's in the private beta. (Which some people here have tried - I'm haven't.) Whether it will be retrofitted into the Windows product? 🤷‍♂️All I can do is speculate like the rest of you now! (My speculation is no.)

22 hours ago, jefito said:

Not sure when this was added, but it's working for me.

Windows 10 Fall Creators Update (Fall 2017)

16 hours ago, jefito said:

corrects my explanation

Nope, pretty much nailed it! (I'm only talking about the Windows platform - I don't know how the other platforms embedded the editor)

21 hours ago, WeCanLearnAnything said:

If so, what happened to all of those abandoned versions?

They weren't abandoned. They went into the product. Sometimes the updates were very noticeable to users because of the differences. Sometimes they weren't (good regression tests in those cases!).

There's an advanced button somewhere early in the sequence (I'm pretty sure - I haven't done a clean install in a long time - and I'm pretty certain that option isn't offered on an upgrade)

11 hours ago, jefito said:

getting a new CEF update spread joy across your dev staff...

For certain definitions of "joy"! LOL!

10 hours ago, DTLow said:

Ok, open a second account and move your data.  You might need Premium for a month because of the limits.  

To add to that - after creating the 2nd account, create a folder there and share it to your primary account (or share a folder from the primary to the 2nd acct). You can then just drag/drop the notes to move them. The only "gotcha" is it will leave them in the primary computer's database. You could move them out of the folder on the 2nd account to a different folder (either synced or local) and just use that shared notebook as a transfer folder.

Advantage: Don't have to export/import.

Disadvantage: Sharing. (It can be a little weird sometimes. It works. But it can be weird. I say that as one of the people who use to work on that feature!)

19 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

They even use a different approach to organize and save the local data. Unifying this means building a lot of stuff from scratch.

We were (pretty sure I'm allowed to say this...) actually looking to consolidate that in a common C++ core library. That work was put on permanent hold (at least it was when I left) in favor of the new version the CEO has been referring to.

19 hours ago, jefito said:

(again, Evernote has to build those containing applications). 

Hehe. We wrote the app that contained the containing app! Google wrote CEF. (ok, we modified that too) The only reason I maintained my sanity is because I stayed as far away from the CEF tweaks as I possibly could. (Just building that thing was a nightmare - let alone actually looking at that code!)

19 hours ago, jefito said:

There was CEF 1, CEF 3

That's the browser framework the editor is built in. CEF1 was used when I started. The first common editor targeted CEF3 but was backported to CEF1. The CEF3 upgrade was pushed by several things - lack of support for CEF1, and effort for the editor team to support it. Upgrades to CEF were completely orthogonal to CE updates.