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5 hours ago, Dave-in-Decatur said:

These mostly seem to be complaints about v. 10; there are other threads for that. But the last point, about the new UI adding so much pointless space, is apt and I agree with you.

I think there is going to be an influx of legacy users into this thread (due to the announced legacy end date) that say they "hate the new UI too" -- meaning v10 in general because for them -- that is the new UI. They are unaware that it actually used to be better and more compact a few months ago.

But even the old v10 UI had way more white space than the Legacy version and I remember that being a common complaint when v10 first came out.

It might be hard to tell complaints apart since Legacy to v10 and v10 to v10 UI revamp share some common complaints.

Welp - sorry, I'm out of ideas except to submit a ticket to support (which may take a while for them to get back to you) if you haven't already.

55 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

Anybody on a not supported OS can still log in on the web client.

4 minutes ago, gazumped said:

No user will lose any data (yet) because it's still on the servers which you can access through the web or by installing the new app.

What about local only notebooks on machines that are too old to install v10. It reads to me like they might be possibly locked out of those notes and I wonder if Bending Spoons has considered that.

11 minutes ago, ferol said:

I have it installed, but I can't replace my use of Evernote with it. The advantage is that it is free and the data is yours exclusively. But that's where the advantages end for me... For example:
- I can't edit a file in the default app direct from note
- I can't annotate images (this is very important for me)
- I can't add tags
- I can't resize text arbitrarily
.. realistically there's more I'm missing... 

I also wish there was a way to do the first two items on your list in Obsidian. There is a way to get at them fairly quickly with shortcuts and open them to edit, but it's not as seamless as an Evernote attachment nor is there built in non-destructive annotating on images like what we have with Evernote -- a very handy feature indeed.

However, not adding tags? Tags are as simple as typing a hash '#' followed by whatever you want. You can add tags anywhere in the document this way. You can also add tags in what is known as "front-matter" -- at the top of the document. These tags apply to the whole document as a whole. Anyways, I find tags a bit better in Obsidian than Evernote.

oh - and yes - I agree it is definitely not for everybody, but Obsidian is OK for this user. 😁

From the blog post (https://evernote.com/blog/legacy-decommissioning😞

• "If you don’t update in time, your legacy app will stop working, and you won’t be able to log in again until you install v10 or use Evernote Web."
• "Evernote v10 does not support local notes. When you first open v10, you’ll be prompted to upload your local notebooks to the Cloud via the Convert local notebooks tool. However, we strongly encourage you to upsync your local notes before updating to the latest version."

I bet there will be many users, and we'll probably see at least a few comments, where they have local only notebooks on an outdated computer that cannot be upgraded to v10. Yes, yes, they should have upgraded and shouldn't be running on an old OS and whatever, but it sounds like these people will be locked out of their notes? Like even running Evernote in a disconnected/non-sync state will not be possible as they will be signed out? (Is that right?)

Why not just stop the legacy clients from syncing instead of logging them out I wonder?

1 hour ago, Alxa said:

Hi folks, got an email from Evernote telling the following:

Thanks. I was wondering if they were going to email folks about it vs just a blog or X post. I haven't gotten an email myself yet, but I also haven't logged into or used Legacy in a year or so either.

I think just one month advance notice for a final drop-dead date is going to be too short for many but better than 0 months notice. (And also, the writing has been on the wall for a very long time for the majority that have seen it.)

2 hours ago, Myross said:

@Boot17 it doesn't say or have the "member since" field.

Am not sure if this is relevant, I had a premium license back in October 2023, i upgraded to teams. All my notes were still present on the web version, etc. Just up until a few days ago when the desktop upgraded. 

That's odd that your account sign-in doesn't show a member since field, but maybe that's a difference with a teams account.

11 hours ago, Myross said:

I only have one email address that I've ever used with Evernote, its what I'm singing in with.

Are you signing in "with Google" on any of those by chance? (Like you have a gmail address and so on one you sign in with your email and with the other you "sign in with Google"?)

4 minutes ago, ghon said:

It is the possibility to create a heading with some text below, and having the ability to collapse / hide the text, see below. By this it should be possible to have a bettet overview on the structure of the outline of the whole nite. MS word allows for example to outline the text and have only the headings shown

Ah - a fellow Upnote user/tester/try-it-out/at-least-have-it-installed. 😃

9 hours ago, jh1989 said:

I think this theme is worse than the previous one. I wish they'd spend their time on including new features, enhancing existing features, and fixing bugs instead of playing around with the theme and breaking the way my notes look because they keep changing default fonts and spacing in the application.

I had (and still have) the same opinion that it is overall worse than the previous one. We also see many UI/UX issues that we weren't sure if were intended by design or a bug or delayed implementation. There was no way for us to know on many of them and these changes were disruptive to me personally. Some of these have since been addressed, others not yet (if ever?). I know many rolled along with it just fine, but I felt jerked around with this one.

That said, to their credit, they are also working on new features and enhancing existing features at the same time though.

"In February alone, we're rolling out a full-size Calendar section, Outlook calendar integration, a better New Note button, a whole new desktop UI, in-app notifications, image alignment controls inside the editor, and an improvement to breadcrumbs. We're already working on /commands, AI Edit, collapsible sections and more." [Strikethrough mine. ;-)] 

From: 

@Myross On the web version that has nothing, will you go to the Settings button -> Personal info -> "Go to your profile" button, then click on "Account Summary". What date does it show next to the "Member Since" field?

This is because with a recent update, they accidentally triggered a setting change on the note width. You'll need to go into your settings and change it back to "Fit to window". (Looks like wide tables don't honor the "optimize readability" setting so it's not lining up with the title.)

See here for a screenshot of where to go to change the setting:

We couldn't ever have text and images on the same line in v10 (without using a table), but it was possible in Legacy. I remember @AlbertR mentioning this several times and I see it on his EN10 - missing features (from beloved Legacy) note. (Search "Legacy allows to place text or images beside an attached files".)

Yay! 🎉

The image resizing weirdness is back to normal too.

Yeah - Just looked and I'm seeing that in the browser too (Chrome on MacOS). I also haven't seen it reported anywhere yet.

It's not a problem in the Desktop version of the app and the Note History window can be resized (but oddly enough, it can't be moved even though it's in it's own "OS" window).

2 hours ago, silentquest said:

I just got upgraded to 10.76.2. Is that the new UI?

Could be, but not necessarily. There is a server-side/back-end switch that has to be flipped on our accounts (that we don't have control over).

If you post a screenshot we'll be able to tell. Is your share button green or periwinkle-ish?

Green is the old v10 UI; Periwinkle the new.

Yeah - but as far as I know and have heard (and seen), the data in that folder and subfolders is not stored in a way that it is of much use anywhere outside the app itself and the currently signed in user of the app -- so it doesn't really serve as a backup. 
 

Like you'd have to manually splice things together in a text editor and programming to make use of it and no other app can import it. You couldn't even copy it to another machine where Evernote is already installed and make use of it. 

With v10, there is not. You'll have to use Legacy (not available directly from Evernote and future is short) or a 3rd party tool like https://github.com/akosbalasko/yarle or https://github.com/vzhd1701/evernote-backup. There are also some paid commercial 3rd party products like Backupery or CloudHQ.

If you search the forums you may find other similar tools, but those are the four that I seem to see most often.

Pardon this partially duplicated comment from another thread on Saturday, but I feel it is more of an appropriate comment for this thread...

I feel like this is a case of one step forward, two steps back -- but in this case: one feature forward, two features back. 

In my mind, centering an image is a nice feature, but it's not near as useful a feature as being able to have images side by side (without using a table as tables are not mobile friendly as far as images go and they have a big gap at the bottom of each cell and the table cell margins are *huge* now)

I wonder if it's something they even knew to consider. There aren't as many years of Evernote user experience on the dev team as there used to be so I wonder if they are surprised to find out that they break things that were used by a good number of people. 

Initially they removed the note title from the title/menu bar with the UI revamp but then we saw it re-emerge a few weeks later next to the notebook name.

Hopefully they can do something similar here to restore the old functionality as well if that wasn't already planned for.

13 hours ago, PlumFairy said:

Just had my auto-renew membership and freaked out at the huge cost hike.  How is that possible justified.  Its robbery.  I'll have to start hunting around for an alternative

Often, if you start the process to cancel your subscription, you will be offered a discount for another year to stay, buying you more time to find an alternative or make a decision to stay.

There have been three times when I looked really hard to migrate away from Evernote in the last few years:

• The implementation of the v10 version -- late 2020 
• The acquisition by Bending Spoons & subsequent changes -- announced late 2022
• The new UI revamp -- late last month (not just the UI, but a few other things leading up to it as well)

All combined, I've spent well over 100 hours looking at other alternatives. (A lot of time wasted for sure, but it was kind of fun for me personally too.)

For me, the price increase played a little into it, but in the end (and currently), I really do think that the price Bending Spoons is asking is reasonable especially when you compare it's feature set and compare it against the market. They've also recently opened up additional features to the Personal plan as well: https://evernote.com/blog/14-features-for-all

However, recently I'm more concerned about the performance and a matching feature-set and company direction for my use case vs the price.

So @Cjank, if the feature set and performance of Evernote is working well for you, and it's just about the cost, then I say it'd be best to just continue with Evernote. Also -- if you try cancelling your subscription and start going through the process you may get offered a 40% (or more) discount to stay this first year buying you another year to contemplate.

I think so to (and so do many others):

I felt a little bad about that flippant remark so a little while later I wanted to then offer a comment with substance -- measurable distance differences between the two. Not just a feeling, but actually much more space in the new UI:

I was really liking the old look. It could have been improved and fine tuned, but I think now we just have change for change's sake. IMO, it's not better, it's just different (and arguably worse as we see in this thread).

Related to UI -- the recent change to allow centering an image broke existing useful functionality and then has a weird UI resizing behavior as well: https://discussion.evernote.com/forums/topic/150268-10762-added-alignment-options-for-images-within-a-note).

The AI Search implementation made the search box "jump": https://discussion.evernote.com/forums/topic/148204-search-field-is-moving-it-is-not-good/

The AI Cleanup button takes up prime real-estate on the tool bar.

Small things individually, but collectively I'm not really enjoying the direction the UX is taking overall.

Examples for comparison of UX of before and after as far as resizing the image:

Before 10.76.2

See how the blue selection box stays fixed around the image and the resize corner stays under the mouse the whole time. Behaves as you'd expect.

With 10.76.2

With 10.76.2 the purple selection box jumps to the max width of the note and then you must drag the mouse all the way in to resize.

iMO, it's not quite as good a UX as existed before for resizing the image.

1 hour ago, Dave-in-Decatur said:

Back to your original question, this is literally not a bug but a feature--or at least a really badly thought-out way of implementing a feature. The new feature is the ability to align an image left, center, or right. (Release notes for 10.76.2: "Added alignment options for images within a note.") The implementation is to put each image in a kind of invisible note-width tray with slots for left, center, and right. I'm not a programmer, but it feels like an emergency hack created by someone who'd spent the workday playing Warcraft and only had 15 minutes left to finish this. And it messes up the use of images in exactly the way you and others are experiencing. I don't use many images in notes, and don't usually need to put more than one on a line, but a person certainly should be able to do it, and also be able to align them in some non-kludgy way.

One feature forward, two features back. 

I wonder if it's something they even knew to consider. There aren't as many years of Evernote user experience on the dev team as there used to be so I wonder if they are surprised to find out that they break things that were used by a good number of people. 

Perhaps they can address this in a future release fix or perhaps the new implementation makes it difficult to account for it. 

To get the new UI you have to be both on one of the latest versions and to have your account enabled on the back-end. While everyone can update to the latest version, the account enabling is being rolled out over several weeks. I read somewhere that by the middle of next week it should be rolled out to all accounts.