jpaz

Got the warning today.

I thought of writing:"It seems not all free/trial acount users are equal: true for some but not all????. What's next, "You have reached the limit with 0 devices"? Please be truthfull in your messagens, don't write lies and do these games."

But then I went to Evernote webpage and saw that they update the conditions to only 1 device :-/.

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17 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

It is sort of a nonsense list this way - the TOC that was now introduced NEVER existed in any prior version.

First it is a TOC inside of a single note, pointing to anchors inside of the note. Legacy only had a TOC of several notes, and no anchors inside of notes.

Second it is easily possible to insert a TOC of several notes in v10. It is simply wrong to do as if it would not be possible.

Third the new TOC was introduced in both desktop clients, Mac and Windows. Opposite to legacy, where new features (if there ever were new features at all) were always only introduced in one of the clients. Code sharing was not possible in that crooked app generation.

My fault, I was not clear. I was updating my list of EN wanted features and remarking that TOC is now possible in EN last version (not Legacy). And yes, I mean TOC inside a note, not from multiple notes.

On 4/6/2024 at 5:44 PM, jpaz said:

Getting this thread back to topic.

Here is my experience after about a month use of the new version. Still not feeling home as in Legacy, but feeling more homely than before. No problem in moving to new version. Only strange thing: the android version is not reproducing faithfully all the embedded tags of Windows version.

What I am linking the most in new version: collapsible headers

What I am missing the most: the shortcuts top bar. Being in a different place made it more intuitive to differentiate from the tags.

Frankly, I was rather critical but keeping an open mind, IN MY CASE I am more unless satisfied (knock on wood) and not moving to an alternative note taking app.

Here is my updated comparison:

Features not present in New Version or better managed in Legacy Version (Free Account)

New or better features in New Version (Free Account)

no top toolbar 4 shortcuts faster then new version  reported but not experienced, only sometimes freezes no color tags (workaround with emojis) filters take too much space when applied two clicks to open EN from taskbar icon (really annoying) hover on tags does not open search tags, we have to click Search Tags keyboard shortcut not available Legacy was Shift + Alt + T Tags icon should be after shortcuts not at the bottom too much options only in More editing toolbar except in expanded note less fonts less font colours less settings control notes in local computer, not only online (works offline if logged in before and syncs after); solved: there is option to keep local copy of Evernote database more visible space (snippet view 6 vs 4 notes; side list 24 vs 15 notes) partially solved: by View zoom setting

collapsible headers nice colors fresh green and blue more highlight colours strikethrough completed checklist items (although no option to go to bottom of list) recent notes list editable keyboard shortcuts embed youtube videos collapsible left side bar still in doubt to keep visible: access tags but less space interface and less visible tags X (using this option) click to open search tags: need to find tag icon and hover or click uniform interface in multiples OSs tasks in notes

 

Here is a list of what I would like to have in Evernote, that some competitors have (not discussing general pertinence but ordered by my pertinence) :

MISSING

 

1. inline tagging (tag only part of note)
2. columns
3. transclusion (preferably editable)
4. links to tags in notes
5. canva view (like Onenote or Obsidian, notes mindmap)
6. graph view
7. TOC (workaround possible)
8. embed wepages

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TOC has just been implemented in last EN Windows version

Any news about this?

On 4/6/2024 at 10:18 PM, justacat said:

I have to say, you are the only person I've heard express this opinion. I mostly hear universal disdain for the unnecessary amounts of padding and white space.

But even granting that some users do actually like it this way, there should at least be the option of a more compressed view. On a small device, like an iPad mini, it is a significant drawback if you want to, for example, be able to see as many search results as possible. Scrolling is an inconvenience, adding time and also mentally more difficult as you don't have everything in front of you.

I have already submitted feedback on this point though, and perhaps someone will read it. Right now I'm more interested in what jpaz has done to "partially solve" the problem

Hi @justacat

Collapsble headers: you can see them working in this video

Regarding the "less space" problem, in Windows when I choose side list view, I can see 11 notes but when I zoom out I can view 14-15. In Legacy version I could see as many with snippets view 😕

On the other hand, when I search or select a tag, the filter icons takes too much space and I can see only 11 notes 😞 . One more click to hide it if wanted...

BR

Getting this thread back to topic.

Here is my experience after about a month use of the new version. Still not feeling home as in Legacy, but feeling more homely than before. No problem in moving to new version. Only strange thing: the android version is not reproducing faithfully all the embedded tags of Windows version.

What I am linking the most in new version: collapsible headers

What I am missing the most: the shortcuts top bar. Being in a different place made it more intuitive to differentiate from the tags.

Frankly, I was rather critical but keeping an open mind, IN MY CASE I am more unless satisfied (knock on wood) and not moving to an alternative note taking app.

Here is my updated comparison:

Here is a list of what I would like to have in Evernote, that some competitors have (not discussing general pertinence but ordered by my pertinence) :

1. inline tagging (tag only part of note)
2. columns
3. transclusion (preferably editable)
4. links to tags in notes
5. canva view (like Onenote or Obsidian, notes mindmap)
6. graph view
7. TOC (workaround possible)
8. embed wepages

BR

A quick note

One of the things I am loving in the new Evernote: the collapsing headers, helps navigating long notes, almost no need for TOC.

11 hours ago, macfixer said:

Short answer: No.

Longer answer: The redesign introduced a new… we'll call it 'opinion'… on how much white space/padding each note gets. As you're seeing, each note now takes up more space than it used to, even in earlier builds of Evernote 10. I'm afraid that there's not much more you can do (I suppose you could try zooming out by pressing Cmd-minus to zoom out further, but that can result in some insanely small text. If you're on Twitter/𝕏 and think it might help, a lot of the folks from Bending Spoons are pretty active on it.

I hope that helps! Sorry that I don't have a better answer for you.

In complete agreement. Seems that space is not so well used. I have also got to the zoom use and not completely satisfied...

18 hours ago, ferol said:

Just be careful where you put the emoji. If it's at the beginning, you'll have a hard time filling in the TAG in the note, because you'd have to start with the Emoji for it to even offer it to you to click on...
That's why I only have it on Tags that are nested Tags as the main structure, and I never use those directly in notes...
Consider using at the end of a word...

Thks @ferol I was trying it and, as a matter of fact, even before reading this post I used them at the end. In my case because having a symbol at the beginning it altered the position in the tags view.

8 minutes ago, ferol said:

Try use Emoji for different colour - I Use it in TAGS. Maybe in Notebooks will be OK - For expamle on END:

https://getemoji.com/

I used colored tags in Legacy and will try this, thks.

Memories of 11 years ago, one old note in my Evernote tag 🙂

Why don´t just implement the option to select which behaviour we want as default when clicking the icon? Giving choices to users keeps them happy. It is not rewriting the apps code, right? Why the need of workarounds for such primary stuff?

2 clicks when before I only needed 1 Getting used to it but more clicks = bad usability.

3 minutes ago, fuchsfr said:

@jpaz Correction.

 

thks @fuchsfr

6 minutes ago, ferol said:

Some of my observations on your Obsidian table

Why export limited?  with plugin is possible: dakdown, html, pdf, docx....

Kanban - there is 2 plugins for this

Colored text - plugin (but html inside text... but I chose not to use it. I only set the colored text for the headers)

mark down formating - is largely reduced by blocking this in css snippets. I use it largely as wysiwing...

tags organisation - with some plugins almost like in Evernote

sharing - possible free own website pulbishing (it's not as fast as evernote share online one note, but it can be worked out)

@ferol Great, I had references to plugins but they were not reflected on the rating. Taking plugins in account, Obsidian rating will get higher 😁.

2 minutes ago, ferol said:

My decision: Evernote Profesional + Obsidian (free own sync on PC) combination..

😉 yes, I am also thinking of exploring combinations with EN.

And my decision for now: Keeping with Evernote new version for daily work (but still considering alternatives)...

Now the Evernote family

Here are the results of some "hours" of reviewing note taking apps (free versions), with dimensions and scores. It is a work doc

OK, I have also "taken the plunge" to Windows version. Here are my first impressions, updating a table I had posted before. This refers to the Free Version

My experience with the migration of nested tags is not 100%. Some of them unnested...

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JPaz

I have not tried it yet. Still getting to know Notion. Will report when tried.

22 hours ago, TK0047 said:

I have been a HUGE tag guy. All my notes had more than 5 tags on average and I am a firm believer in tags vs. notebooks. I believe tags is the new way of thinking vs. the folder structure we all have been used.

With Notion, I realized I could use @ symbol and then use it within the note so now I could cross reference everything. Basically, I had to change the way I thought about notes, and when I figured out that these "pages" (notes) were actually kind of websites where I can do links, it opened my eye to many possibilities. 

In essence, now my old tags are "pages" in databases or pages in Notion. So if I used to have a "Bank of America" or a "Statement" tag, now those live as individual pages or items in databases and I can still access all of those without having to remember where things are.

This was the biggest challenge I had to overcome.

@TK0047 We seem to think alike :-). Have you tried to import tags from Evernote?

This tag problem is one of the things that kept me from moving straightforward to Notion. It ticks most of the other features...

It also does not have graph view but that is something that EN also does not have.

Quote

 

I don't know if it was already referred but this site looks amazing for comparing not taking apps. Really fantastic. Filtering comparing etc.

https://noteapps.info/

Only eventual catch: developed by company related to Amplenote but they disclose it.

So many hours I took comparing aps in a table with AI help included that could have been avoided. 

My dimensions are very similar to them. Of course you don't get the experience of use only presence or absence of capacities.

On 2/13/2024 at 7:15 PM, eugenes said:

so far i haven't really created any databases in Notion. i have migrated most of my EN notes (4000+) to Notion.
A stack in EN is a page in Notion (eg "courses" on the left). Under it is a "database" (ie a EN notebook -  the middle column, "The Digital and the Analog"). Each of the columns in the database is a page (ie note - right hand column). Notion created these databases automatically when i imported my EN stacks and notebooks.
For me this is enough (and it doesn't cost $130/year). I doubt i'll be creating any new fancy databases in the near future. 

What about tag importing?

Using Tags in Notion does not seem simple. As Ferol referred before. Looked up some solutions to try

https://matthiasfrank.de/global-tags-in-notion/