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22 hours ago, ALB3452 said:

Actually they are synonyms IMHO. The architect in your example would probably be the project/product manager in the case of a software, the ones who link between the clients & the devs.
Well, I guess they're the one to blame if they're not even reviewing these forums to collect users' feedback.

 

As a certified Project Manager I wish I could push back on that, but alas...

"In the old days" a true developer wouldn't rely on what a PM, BA, etc. are telling them is needed--they were one with their user community so as they are coding they "know" what users really find valuable. Again, alas...

Let's hope for the best once legacy goes bye-bye (and that they give us a final "okay... as of mm/dd/yyyy you can no longer use legacy" warning so those of us waiting till the end for a miracle will have time to make a final choice and implement it. 

Hmmmm... I wonder if my architect stops being an architect when he meets with me to discuss how I want my house to fit our life style? Is he only an architect when he's drawing lines on a blueprint?

There is a difference between a "developer" and a "coder."  Just mho 

12 minutes ago, gazumped said:

Hi.  I asked the AI search "how many of my notes are encrypted?" and got a quick response... from a rapid check they all seem to qualify.

Some care is required in phrasing.  I first tried "how many notes contain encryption?" which got me a lot of notes containing that word,  but which were not,  in fact encrypted.

The 'new' encryption is actually slightly enhanced from what I remember before - it asks for a clue word or phrase that will be included in the note,  but not encrypted.  I previously did that manually.

EDIT:  and then of course I looked up Evernote search terms,  and just typing encryption: in the normal search gets me the same answer....

Oh... I hadn't thought about using the newer Android app's AI feature--cool thought! That said, encryption: works like a charm (apologies for my not finding that on my own). 

Thanks! 

Hi all - 

I am an Evernote Legacy junkie and have tons of notes, many of which have encrypted text in them. If I end up staying with Evernote once Legacy rides off into the sunset, I assume / hope these won't be a problem (though the Android app has--over the years--corrupted some such notes. I assume that's been resolved). 

But, if I decide to move on to some alternative I many need to manually handle transferring and encrypted info, as I doubt Joplin or any other alternative would support Evernote encrypted text as is. So that leads to: How do I search to find all notes I have with encrypted text? 

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. 

_____/ Regards,   

____/ al      

On 6/17/2021 at 3:25 PM, PinkElephant said:

You are on a free account. Free means who has no business with EN is yourself.

In my opinion you have no leverage whatsoever to tell what EN may do, not do or what is acceptable. You are using a free service out of your own free decision. This situation is take it or leave it. If you don’t like it, stop using it. It is that simple.

Wow

8 minutes ago, aashish108 said:

Thanks for that!

I mean, for example, they barely managed to implement notebook stacks due to the way it was implemented thus my reasoning. Such a strange architecture to implement thats so restricted.

Anyway, I am still confused as to what to do lol! Still trialing out Nimbus. What you gonna do? Some people are just gonna stay on EN.

For Nimbus, I can export my notes to PDF and HTML but EN won't import those anyway as it was originally.

Ah well.

I know... it's really tough to know the "right" move to make. And I'm sure everyone's situation is different (e.g., different features of the "legacy" EN that one uses), which may lead to a different roadmap. 

I've installed the legacy version and will keep using that for a while (especially since my subscription is paid through next September). I am performing monthly backups so at any point I can take those backups into any other solution that supports importing of EN-formatted data... just in case EN goes belly-up. 

At the same time I've installed and keep Notion open to force myself to test it out a bit. I'm not using it right now for long-term note retention, but more as a temporary scratchpad and daily TO DO list. Still, it gives me a feel for its strengths and weaknesses. So far I am pretty impressed with it, though I wish it had the ability to encrypt text the way EN does. 

Good luck! Let's hope that somehow EN management sees there err of their ways and gets back to having the type of product people used to rave about. We'll see. 

Be well and stay safe!

17 hours ago, aashish108 said:

What about the codebase? I heard it was a mess and there were limitations on what they could achieve based on their architecture or choices they chose etc. Isn't it at least partially developers choosing a specific way to code up Evernote that has lead to 1 reason to wanting to recode Evernote? I understand other reason wanting one codebase for all platforms etc.

Unless we're talking about a one or two person shop running out of someone's garage, developers are not the final say in these decisions. There are business analysts, architects, Team Leads, project managers and--especially for a flagship product--senior IT management (e.g., CIO, CTO, etc.). 

I'm not saying developers have no responsibility for the direction of the code base, but I've never seen a professionally-run software development shop that totally let developers do whatever they wanted to do with no peer / code review, adherence to corporate software development standards, etc. If EN management allowed developers to run amuck then they (management) are not responsible for making poor software decisions; they're responsible for not knowing how to manage a software project. Either way, not good imho. 

12 hours ago, Herbie said:

After experiencing things I didn't like with V.10 and reading all the complaints, a bell rang in my head.  Evernote is owned by LogMeIn.

LastPass is also owned by LogMeIn and a very similar update scenario occurred with LastPass.

I am seriously entrenched in both LP & EN as they worked well before their major updates.  In future I am afraid I will be very cautious about using any other products from the LogMeIn stable. 

Interesting. I did not know that... Thought EN was still going through VC funding. 

Ages ago I was a LogMeIn customer for quite some time. Signed up when they started and got a "lifetime $$$$ annual renewal offer" (Think it might have been like $39 / year). A few years later they totally did not honor the original deal even though I raised it up through the customer service ranks and showed the original email order confirmation. Left a very bad taste in my mouth about that company. 

Coincidence? Big Coincidence? [Go for it, Seinfeld fans!] I think perhaps not. 

17 minutes ago, Dave-in-Decatur said:

 

I suspect that @bswiss56 is on a Mac, where I think the last previous version was 7. But just guessing.

Thank you, sir. Appreciate the clarification. 

30 minutes ago, BigBug said:

I'm not so sure about your last statement. I, like many others, am very disappointed with this latest version. I have installed the Legacy version, which seems to be a workable solution for now. That said, I did also sign up for a free trial of Notion. All I can say is, "wow." It's very, very good. Is it perfect, no, of course not, but it seems to have many of the features that Evernote took away in V10. It also has a lot of other really interesting features that Evernote never had. I'm definitely going to be using Notion in parallel with Evernote for the next month or so and then reevaluate my path moving forward. If Evernote doesn't return the key features that I've come to rely on so much in that period, and if Notion continues to work as well as it has for me initially, I'm making the switch. Life's too short to stick around on--and keep apologizing for--a sinking ship. 

Agreed. And nice that they have what appears to be a fairly solid Evernote import option.

I too have been impressed. 

2 hours ago, oden said:

PLEASE, FOR YOUR OWN GOOD, GIVE EVERNOTE A CHANCE TO APOLOGIZE AND IMPROVE. I have been using Evernote since 2011, happily. The last release gives me, like many other fellow users, multiple headaches. A lot of our favorite features are gone. Some new features are not user friendly. Performance is slow. PR was poor. Yes, it should have stayed in beta mode much longer. This holds also true: Evernotes basic intentions for this total make over are legit and logical. They just had to escape the dead end street. Potentially Evernote is still the best organizer out there. I understand the anger and frustration of my fellow users but I encourage everyone to give Evernote a chance to improve version 10. Please, after venting your frustration, give Evernotes developers a break and feed them with detailed, constructive user feedback. I suggest, if possible, you fall back on a recent legacy version. Still superior to the latest Notion, OneNote and others.

First of all, let's not blame developers for what senior and project management failures exist in Evernote. As both a software developer and a project management professional (PMP), I can attest how projects like this play out and this is not a developer-driven collapse. I think even suggesting it is is unfair to the Evernote development team. 

Next, I too have been using and paying for Evernote since 2011--daily! Overall I still consider my Evernote experience positive when considering my entire history with it. That said, the past two or so years have been quite lacking--in my opinion--in terms of the frequency and significance of Evernote updates compared to prior years. This would have been acceptable had our patience been rewarded with a Version 10 that at least supported most of the heavily-used features we all rely on. Understand, from what I am reading most Evernote customers understood the need to rewrite the product and many understand it's difficult to migrate a product AND add new features during the same product. But to jettison basic, heavily-promoted (by Evernote), heavily-used (by paying customers) features and declare the release production-ready is--honestly--and insult to current customers. 

Finally, in reading Evernote senior management's response to the outpouring of specific feedback and issues with Version 10... Oh, wait! That's right: There has been no response! This is--in my opinion--much worse than the issues raised by releasing what at best can be considered a Beta Test release as production-ready, as it basically is the shortcut way of responding to our complaints with a very loud: "SO?!"

I am a big believer in personal responsibly, and I think that also applies to business organizations. Evernote senior management is failing to accept responsibility for what is clearly a disaster of their own making. 

...just my two cents. 

1 minute ago, bswiss56 said:

I moved back to Evernote 7.x - deleted the horrible Evernote 10. Reinstalled Evernote 7.x. All datas are back!

Everything is fine and as expected again now!

 

I thought 6.25.2.9198 was the last version prior to the #SAD Version 10; Do you have a link handy for downloading EN 7.x? 

Thanks. 

2 minutes ago, Badge said:

Absolutely awful.  No longer a useful product.  

What are advanced users of Evernote switching to?  Can be a local piece of software (since a user can chose a cloud service for backup).  

 

I've downgraded back to version 6.* of EN for now, but did look at and was impressed by Notion. 

21 hours ago, Bill Young said:

V10 You are going in the wrong direction. 

21 hours ago, Bill Young said:

V10 You are going in the wrong direction. 

 

Indeed. If V10 was a Train, Plane or Automobile we'd be looking for stand-ins for John Candy and Steve Martin!

imho: For all the reasons one can conclude Evernote is managing their software platform migration exceptionally well and their current top-of-the-line production release (version 10) is extremely useful and functional, there are also many reasons others can conclude Evernote has mismanaged their software platform migration and have let loyal customers down given the high bar Evernote has set in the past.

We don't need to convince each other which is the "right" conclusion--we can agree to disagree and agree that it's all subjective based on each of our uniqueness as individuals and how we use the product. We can individually decide to "stick with" Evernote and see where things end up, or jump ship if we feel that's what's in our best interest. 

With everything going on I'm not sure sparring over how we see the current Evernote situation should be on the top of anyone's priority list. 

Again, just my opinion. 

Be well and stay safe! 

________________

_____/ Regards,   

____/ al      

24 minutes ago, 4d4m said:

Oh FFS!  Well I've just registered on Notion, and it's looking EXTREMELY promising.  Much more flexibility and the web version is really slick.  Dark mode ls luscious.  Evernote import is churning away and...

It. Is. Keeping. My. Notebook. Structure. AND. Tags. Intact!  ❤️

And the free personal account has no limits on numbers of notes!  Noice!

But then I install the Mac desktop version and it look identical to the web version.  OK that's fairly standard for modern apps these days.  Oh... hang on... if it's a local version of the web app what about offline note access?  Quick google:

https://www.notion.so/How-can-I-use-Notion-offline-de55148f97c84de3b6e71aa058906be4

Yes that's right.  Open the pages you want while you're still online.  Is that the best you can do FFS!  💔

Sooo I'm in major rant mode now.  Why the absolute feck can't developers of note apps get the frikin basics right?  Full offline access to 100% of your data without having to pre-prepare,  intuitive tagging, sorting by title, date created, date modified and lightning fast searching.   Stuff that Evernote used to do well

Excellent post! My compliments!!! 

Hi Daniel -

Try https://help.evernote.com/hc/en-us/articles/360052560314 which should have a link for downloading the special legacy version. 

Hope this helps! 

DTLow (and others): My bad... I should have found that on my own. Thanks for pointing it out to me. 

_____/ Regards,   

____/ al      

Hi all - 

Does anyone know of a way to do the above? I will need to find / decrypt all of these before I jump off the SS Evernote before it sinks.

TIA! Be well and stay safe!

1 hour ago, Alvin C said:

From releasing the new iOS version I have already called for pulling down and legacy version, urging for an official statement addressing the issue besides the normal customer service. The company ignored almost all of this and still insist on launching Mac/Windows in which much more people are affected. They have missed the opportunities of first round, and also missed the second now, where many users asked for the roadmap and called for moving out.

The YouTube clip shared here yesterday about the interview of Ian Small is nothing. Actually I am really shocked to see a company can COMPLETELY overlook all of the voices in this case. Their new product is already a crisis, and I am sure it is just the beginning of the fall of Evernote.

Cancellation of the renewal is a must. If they are willing to talk to us and improve, they should have done it when the iOS was launched. If they didn't do it before, they won't do in both short and long run. Don't expect this company will change and you can't force them to do so. Leaving is already the best solution.

Well put! 

It appears we're all in the same state of frustration, disbelieve, astonishment that a huge software company (they have how many billions in venture capital funding?) would so totally mismanage a software product, and more-importantly what are obviously very loyal customers / subscribers. As a software project manager I am amazed at how badly they failed.

Next steps? 

1.) Massive cancelling of subscriptions as soon as we can migrate data away. I've already updated my account to stop auto-renewal. If we al head for the exits will they wake up?

2.) Identify possible replacements. I'm now looking at Notion and Joplin (Open Source), which both have lots of strengths, as well as support for importing Evernote data. Notion looks more powerful than Evernote, while Joplin looks like a clone (and is free, though doesn't come with cloud syncing--you need to do it with OneDrive, Google Drive, etc.). 

3.) [Not that we can control this] Evernote management needs to step up and do a major "mea culpa" to all of us loyal (ex-)fans. They need to explain to us what went wrong, what they are doing about it (silence means nothing!), and why we should wait around after years of non-updates of any significance. 

Honestly, even if they do a stellar job with item 3.) (e.g., take full responsibility for the mess-up, give us a timeline that's both achievable and relatively tight, and offer to refund and/or postpone any additional subscription fees) I'm not sure I will stick with them even as much as I love Evernote. At this point I'm spending time looking at Notion, Joplin, etc. and not-for-nothing Notion looks really powerful. Once I identify the right product for me I think I'd rather migrate over and move on with my life rather than wait and hope Evernote does the right thing.

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Speaking of replacements: The one feature I'm not finding that EN has and I use often is encrypting text within a note. Anyone come across an Evernote replacement that allows for this? Thanks!

5 minutes ago, Andryel Voigt said:

Using EN Legacy, no way to use this new version...

Right... Issue imho is there's no way they will maintain two sets of source code long-term. 

Just a very early take on Notion as an EN replacement--with what appears a decent Import from Evernote feature: Looks very, very strong. 

I just had my EN renewal in September (bad timing!), but there's no way I'm staying with them after they basically imploded and showed they are not concerned about long-time, paying users. 

Note to EN staff: If you're good you don't really want to be the last one there to turn off the lights! Just a thought!

Be well and stay safe!

I feel your pain, 4d4m. I too dread the idea of a migration to another product and the time and effort involved. I too have a few thousand notes, and some of them with encrypted text--which I am assuming no EN alternative--even one's with the ability to import EN data--will be able to handle. Not happy!

Thank you all for your comments!