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13 hours ago, NorcalScott said:

The comment of the CEO about few users using tags is what concerned me the most, to be honest.  Tags are a VERY big part of my workflow, and the main reason I chose Evernote in the beginning.  Maybe others don't use them, but my job requires storing of information that needs to be categorized by several different criteria, and tags are very useful for this.

The way I see it, there are some huge warning signs here:

- EN seems to be saying that power users are not that big of a concern to them, and I am a power user (to an extent)
- They seem to be saying that key features I use are not that important because not many others use them
- They seem hell bent on moving to a cloud dependent, centralized data model rather than the current environment where databases stay on the computer and are synced to the cloud for use on other devices.  We are trading local control to an environment where the totality of my data is out of my control.

I don't think Evernote can survive without power users, who are probably the only people willing to pay for a notetaking app, so we will see where this leads to.

I am testing out Joplin and it is actually pretty solid.  It certainly lacks some features that EN has, but it also includes some nice features EN doesn't have, like encryption, and it is blazingly fast to use and perform searches on.  If I am able to move my workflows over to Joplin and be able to use my Windows machine, my iPad and my Android phone successfully for a few months, I will make the switch permanent.

Speaking of which, I see Evernote's page entitled "Our GDPR Commitment" is empty (https://evernote.com/privacy/gdpr)

I struggle to see how anyone using Evernote to deal with personal data can possibly comply with the GDPR under this new "cloud-only" approach.

26 minutes ago, gazumped said:

While I agree with you that open-source software is often very good,  I haven't found that Joplin works all that well for me.  That,  and your comment above,  is keeping me to the uncertain shelter of the old legacy apps for the time being at least.  I'll cross that bridge if and when I get to it.

I did not end up moving to Joplin in the end, I decided to move to Zotero. I used Evernote as a reference manager (which was a good idea over a decade ago principally for the reason that Zotero didn't do what I needed it to do with regard to LaTeX and BibLaTeX, so I decided to do citations manually) , but things have come a long way since then.

I add my voice to the chorus of people who hate this new Evernote.

Years of work in local notebooks locked away. Weeks of my life spent transferring notes manually from Evernote to another app.

Words cannot express how angry I am at Evernote, nor how disappointed I am at just wasting two weeks of my life just to ensure this sort of trick isn't pulled on me again.

16 hours ago, number7 said:

This update has rendered everything we use Evernote for as a business absolutely useless, this is literally the last straw after years of workarounds after every update - does anyone have any good alternative software solutions?  I also need to migrate about 20,000 notes so a new solution needs to have that functionality

 

Joplin (OPEN SOURCE): https://joplinapp.org

There are other alternatives, like Notable, however I would strongly recommend using open-source software to avoid exactly the problems Evernote has just created.

On 12/9/2020 at 10:04 AM, tbernardi said:

I got this email about the new version and installed.

How I regret!!

Still no syntax highlight for code blocks, no way to lock a note, nothing new, just some awful design changes that made the app sluggish!

Not only that but it messed the line breaks on ALL My notes (double line breaks on all of them).

I need to use the old version back and had to install this Legacy version now that Evernote and DTLow keeps linking and even though it resembles the version I was using, it has this awful grey icon and my notes are still messed up with the double line breaks introduced by the new version. It set me 1 hour back and destroyed my day's productivity having to deal with that. Evernote team clearly doesn't think about the user experience. What a regret!

 I know your pain. I just spent two full weeks manually transferring every note across to another app and I am furious about it. Thanks, Evernote!

22 hours ago, DTLow said:

I'm using the Legacy product, and backup my data using export in html format    
html is not ubiquitous, not  proprietary, readable by any browser app   

What export format works for you?

HTML is not a good solution if you need to import the notes into another application and keep building the notebook.

Specifically, DTLow, I am thinking of markdown.

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>>eventually the Legacy version will stop working

Yes, but the important point is the Legacy product is currently working

 

You have missed the point, DTLow. It does not matter if Legacy is currently working or not—that does nothing to ensure my notes are available long-term.

For those looking to escape, Evernote's ecosystem, https://notable.app is another alternative. 

On 10/15/2020 at 4:05 AM, Stoppa said:

I've just downloaded the legacy version. No problems installing or with the databases. Everything opened as I expected.

I'm sticking with Legacy for as long as possible. The new version was too slow and unresponsive. Annotation was obliterated. Searching inside PDFs was clunky.

Sadly, a whole bunch of nope nope nope.

 

On 11/19/2020 at 9:22 PM, PinkElephant said:

No harm done.

Maybe they monitor the forum, I mean those of them that are left over, not being suffering a severe professional depression of sorts. This here is no fun read if you put part of your lifetime into coding it.

Just hope they still have a consolidated backlog they are working down, to release what we need to continue using the product.

I can survive using it, but without legacy it would be very hard to really enjoy it, and stay productive.

@Stoppa and @PinkElephant, eventually the Legacy version will stop working, and because it is proprietary, there will not be any Open Source version that people will be able to continue maintaining.

This fact that local notebooks has been removed is a ridiculous and infuriating decision that has caused me to move away from Evernote.

Evernote is holding my personal data hostage: If I want to use it in the future, I have to pay. I can only export my data in a proprietary format.

You might want to look at using Joplin, which was designed as an open-source Evernote alternative. I strongly recommend using Open Source software, as this avoids exactly what Evernote has just done. Thankfully, Joplin can import Evernote's enex format.

https://joplinapp.org

Evernote? More like Nevernote.

Get out while you still can. Export your notes, and get them into an open source format.

This fact that local notebooks has been removed is a ridiculous and infuriating decision that has caused me to move away from Evernote.

Evernote is holding my personal data hostage: If I want to use it in the future, I have to pay. I can only export my data in a proprietary format.

You might want to look at using Joplin, which was designed as an open-source Evernote alternative. I strongly recommend using Open Source software, as this avoids exactly what Evernote has just done. Thankfully, Joplin can import Evernote's enex format.

https://joplinapp.org

Evernote? More like Nevernote.

Local notebooks have been removed.

This is a ridiculous and infuriating decision that has caused me to move away from Evernote.

You might want to look at using Joplin, which was designed as an open-source Evernote alternative. I strongly recommend using Open Source software, as this avoids exactly what Evernote has just done: holding your personal data hostage in a proprietary format and forcing you to pay in order to use it again.

https://joplinapp.org

To get your local Evernote data back, download the Legacy version from here: https://help.evernote.com/hc/en-us/articles/360052560314-Install-an-older-version-of-Evernote . Then select all notes, export them, and import them into Joplin.

Thanks @DSE, I will check it out!

I am also looking at making the switch to Zotero. I have been a bit hesitant to go down that route in the past because the citation style I use is not supported (which is why I have all my LaTeX references 'hard coded' in Evernote notes). 

I see some people have made some scripts in the past that converts ENEX to JSON, but it looks like they were abandoned years ago and no longer work unfortunately.

I echo your comments about the problem with using Evernote for confidential business. It's simply impossible. 

The latest upgrade to Evernote 10 removes support for local notebooks. This took me completely by surprise. I am very, very angry. I am an academic, and Evernote (was) my reference manager. 

I have thousands of notes that I now need to export to a more useful piece of software.

Does anyone have a working script that allows ENEX files to be converted to JSON?

@BSR, why was this not fixed in Beta 2 of 6.11 as indicated earlier; and why is it now going to take "two or three" updates to fix?

With all due respect to the Evernote team, the way this has been handled has really been unacceptable. Perhaps if we could understand why this has happened it would help us appreciate the reasons for the delay.

@BSR, could you please provide an update.

I refer to the attached post by Evernote employee @BSR.

@BSR  told us that the problem of being unable to highlight text in a PDF would be fixed in 6.11 beta 2.

It was not. Nor was it fixed in the final release of 6.11.

When will it be fixed? This problem has been persisting for far too long.

I am not interested in workarounds.

Problems still persist in the latest beta. Really need to annotate PDFs and Sierra demands a copy be made.