Frank.dg

 

Evernote... I beg of you... please don't. Not ever. That would have other repercussions as mentioned here:

 

 https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/30959-request-different-notebooks-different-sorting/page-2#entry337541

 

Wow Frank!  You're acting like it would be the end of the world!!  

 

I really don't see the the mental anguish that you do:  "The effort required when shifting your frame of mind to the preset sort order of a new notebook selected would be about the same as manually resorting"

 

It would be easy enough to display the sort order, and even make it easier to change, like with a  simple dropdown list that shows the both the field and direction, like:     ↑ Title

 

  That was supposed to come off as melodramatic... 'twas designed to provoke a response. No mental anguish on my side. Just kicking the topic around a bit. Still, you must admit, I've got some good points there...

Evernote... I beg of you... please don't. Not ever. That would have other repercussions as mentioned here:

 https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/30959-request-different-notebooks-different-sorting/page-2#entry337541

In theory, Evernote remembering the sort order for specific notebooks sounds wonderful. But here's the thing…

The effort required when shifting your frame of mind to the preset sort order of a new notebook selected would be about the same as manually resorting. For this type of workflow to be as effective as one imagines, it would require you to remember the preset sort order for each notebook you select and move back and forth between.

An interesting consideration would be the following: I, too, have specific notebooks that I predominantly need to view sorted by "Title". However, just as often, I need to sort the notes within the exact same notebooks by "Date Updated" or "Date Created". I'm sure most people need to do this at one point or another.

So let's say you have a notebook which you generally view according to a preset "Title" sort order... but on occasion, having manually sorted it by "Date Updated", you leave the notebook and select another. When you return to the previous notebook which was preset to "Title" but was subsequently manually changed to a different sort order, Evernote will most likely remember the last sort order for that notebook, which might not be the one you most commonly view that particular notebook in. So then you would have to change it back to your general sorting preference for that notebook anyway. Even if it reverted back to a fixed preset sort order, regardless of how you manually sorted it the previous time you viewed it, that could potentially be frustrating if on that particular occasion you were doing some admin, going back and forth between notebooks and needed a sort order other than by "Title"... i.e. - If you needed it to stick to, say, "Date Updated" on that particular occasion across multiple notebooks.

I think, for many people, myself included, it would be simpler to remember the global sort order you are in at any given time, and adjust it from there as needed.

Not to mention people who have a tag-based setup as opposed to a notebook-based setup... or even a hybrid. To be consistent across the board… would we not need to preset sorting orders for specific tag contexts, then, too? Even so, would we remember our preset sort orders for every tag or notebook context?

So from my perspective, once again, it sounds great in theory… but how this sort of feature would actually play out might not be worth the trouble.

Holy smokes! TheBrain looks amazing. The good thing about Postach.io is that you shouldn't have a problem with broken links. The post URLs are predictable because they come directly from The Evernote note titles... So the exact same URL can be replaced/ fixed if need be. If that makes any sense. I'll have to see how Postach.io fits into TheBrain.

So one can be a super user/ power user without so much as hitting a couple of hundred notes. Just depends how much you prune.

I'm sitting at 24,074 notes as of today. Any time I add another geeky element to my database, it may go up as much as 200 notes each day for an extended period. For the sake of thoroughness, I need each and every one of those notes. There's no pruning that particular category. Only my personal notes. 

No problems on my end so far with searches lagging, etc. 

Yep... one does not need to be a power user of anything to see at a superficial glance that Google Keep is not a serious contender for storing more than tidbits of information, which one cannot even reorder. And they never intended it to be more than it is. Google's "Google Docs", etc. is another story and too serves its purpose. 

The Postach.io blogging platform is an interesting one to throw in the mix. It publishes Evernote notes you tag with "Published" to your Postach.io blog, which in turn shows up in plain Google searches. For those who don't have the time, interest or know-how to set up a blog, this is the simplest solution to getting your information out there. In essence, one's Postach.io blog comprises any set of notes you wish to put out there. Not confined to notebooks and it's a way to showcase more than one note. PLUS you can integrate Disqus comments, Google analytics, embed YouTube videos within notes through an embed code which shows in the post, etc. Or you could just keep it to WYSIWYG - a post mirroring an Evernote note. 

 

Honestly, I'm pretty frustrated with Evernote because it has no version for Linux, even after so many requests from the community.

 

I want to upgrade to my Evernote account and not done so far because it has this support.

 

It is possible to make an app for the Chrome web browser, just as there is for Chrome OS?

 

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/evernote/dhfolfjkgpeaojbiicgheljefkfbbfkc?utm_source=chrome-ntp-icon

 

It would be an interesting alternative, since it also runs offline.

 

Rodrigo, have you taken a look at the NeverNote application mentioned above? Evernote themselves actually recommend that app. It's possibly your best bet for Evernote on Linux at the moment.

 

But only 1 Gb max storage? That is not a serious proposition, except perhaps for the busy moms.

 

All beta version language was removed from Centrallo a few months ago as they have officially launched - http://www.prweb.com/releases/Centrallo/Launch/prweb12365917.htm.   They are working on an encrypted data version for premium users and I highly recommend that you try the app - www.centrallo.com.  Below, here is a privacy and data security statement from their CEO:

 

Centrallo Security & Data Privacy

 

Centrallo is 100% cloud based.

 

We utilize the following companies and processes:

 

For cloud security and scalability, we depend on trusted third parties such as AWS and DigitalOcean;

 

For data and communication encryption, we use AES, TLS, SSL and other technologies. HTTPS is provided by GeoTrust;

 

For data reliability with replication, we use snapshots and backups

 

For network security, we use firewalls and private subnets;

 

For physical security, we use top trusted cloud providers.

 

Additionally, on our platform, we restrict access to our servers by utilizing private IP addresses and private VMs.

 

We also close all open ports (except HTTPS) and have firewalls to restrict access to our servers. 

 

To combat external attacks (e.g., DDoS), we limit public access to a small set of servers. And our cloud providers actively work to mitigate external attacks by controlling traffic on their networks.

 

Our servers are also continually updated with the latest OS security patches and software.

 

Inside our application, Centrallo uses standard mechanisms to prevent certain attacks like SQL injection, XSS and CSRF.  

 

We use HTTPS to encrypt data sent between the client and our service while simultaneously eliminating "man in the middle" attacks.

 

In addition, we are using best practices to isolate and secure all user data.

 

Busy moms? How about busy dads? 

Take a look at NeverNote for Linux (designed to work with Evernote):

http://nevernote.sourceforge.net/index.htm

You can also join  a public notebook which runs you through the supported features (includes a users documentation PDF).

This is fantastic @jusu! Might also be of interest to @GrumpyMonkey, who is one of the proponents for text-file-based databases. 

Windows tells me that elephant.exe is a suspicious file at download and at install. Plus it's a 4 MB file. I was wanting to install it just to tinker...

Yep... you're right Jeff. I did see that. "Education" seemed to be the intended area of focus - but I also saw a total of 4 off-topic threads. Interesting thing is all 4 of them have seen the appearance of @charboyd. That made me re-think and overthink the part about "Suggest new topics or questions for us to address with educational content. The topic or question should be related to the Evernote product or service." Might as well jump on the train for what seems to be a sure way of getting some sign of life from the powers that be, which may or may not do it for someone, whether or not the response if of any consequence. 

Both premium and free members are on an equal footing when it comes to making feature requests. That can be done in the forums here:

https://discussion.evernote.com/forum/73-knowledge-suggestion-box/

Nobody is trying to put a damper on things by talking through the dynamics of how such a feature would play out. It's quite stimulating to some degree... and in the process, one might learn a little more about how to go about implementing a specific use case. Here in a thread that @bongolu started you're getting input from a number of other knowledgeable Evernote users. A forum member might express the likelihood of any particular feature being implemented in the future, for example - and often it might seem a little defeatist - but at least it's out there. The opinions laid out here don't necessarily effect Evernote's decisions. We just like to kick topics around here, among other things. The above link may be one avenue of getting Evernote's eyeballs on the request - especially since it seems the "Knowledge Suggestion Box" is underutilized. 

Here in the forums you'll see members speculating, ranting, informing, suggesting, etc. Often that's the best insight one might hope to get - which may be a better indication than an Evernote employee saying that they may take a look into a new feature suggestion. All software companies do that. It doesn't give any indication of whether something is taken seriously or not. Another point to consider is that supposedly every post is read by an Evernote employee. That would include this thread. Sometimes they chip in - most often not. Either way, I'd encourage you to start a new thread under the above link for your suggestion... that's what it's for. 

 

 

Or Evernote could make it a feature. iPhoto (Mac) has such a feature: individual photos can be hidden and the hiding for all (hidden) photos can be turned on and off with a hiding master switch. Simple and great.

They could. They could do a lot of things. Whether they do or not is an entirely different matter. It may be they plan to do it but it's a low priority. Or they may decide they simply don't want to add it, for whatever reason.

 

I think @Jefito's post is the best and most logical solution. It's perfect - what more could one ask for? 

I really don't get why someone would want to go to the effort to hide specific notes. Some of those hidden notes will then have to be shown to a different client. Then what? You unhide those that you need for the next client and then hide what was previously visible to the last client. Does one not know what they will show to any given client beforehand? Also... you've got to keep tabs on the fact that certain notes are hidden from you yourself.

What is there about tagging certain notes and entering that tag context (while hiding your Left Panel) that is not ideal/ perfect? Would one be able to offer a simpler process? The thing about a feature similar to iPhoto where certain photos (in this case, notes) can be hidden, is that you will have to remember to tweak and update it constantly. You're creating a whole extra unnecessary maintenance workflow all on it's own - "Hiding master switch" or not. "Simple and great" - I don't know. 

tag:1 tag:2 tag:3 tag:4 any:

Note that the any: operator must precede any other terms except notebook: or stack:

any: tag:1 tag:2 tag:3 tag:4

(using search syntax)

OR

tag:1 tag:2 tag:3 tag:4 any:

(Ctrl-click-click-click-click in the Left Panel + "any:" command after tag string in search bar)

You should take a look at "Swipes", a 3rd-party iOS to-do app that harvests all your check-box items from any set of notes/ notebooks within your Evernote account... and then you can arrange/ group them any which way you want. Each check-box item becomes it's own individual task. Of course, this app didn't exist at the time of the OP way, way back in January of this year. But it's there now. It's a great option. 

The question seems to warrant a good reading of David Allen's "GTD" book (or something similar). It's great to grapple with and come to terms with these basic questions - since they relate to productivity in general - no matter the app you're using. 

Not sure if anyone has heard of Gingko app. It's a tree-based word processor which supports markdown editing... Plus you can enable LaTeX formatting. It's a brilliant web-based app in its own league, set up by a PhD physics graduate, Adriano Ferrari. It is most definitely a note-taking app of note. It's kind of a hybrid between Trello and WorkFlowy, working with a parent/ child card dynamic.

Gingkoapp.com

You smart folk should have no problem finding a workflow to integrate Gingko and Evernote.

It's for this reason I have never bothered to use the Evernote audio for anything significant. I would be fooling myself, pretending that I'm going to listen to anything above 2 minutes at a later stage. This sort of feature would actually get me to use the audio recording feature.

This works for me:

"any: intitle:FBI intitle:NSA intitle:CIA"

The challenge here seems to be filtering only those notes tagged with "privacy" (which Jefito and JMichael already pointed out)

I tried going into the "privacy" tag context first by clicking on it in the Left Panel... and then inputting the above search query into the search bar. That returned all notes with either FBI, NSA or CIA in the note title... but did not filter those for the "privacy" tag. In other words the tag search is disregarded (as far as pertaining to FBI, NSA or CIA goes) - even if I am in the "privacy" tag context and I have zero notes tagged with "privacy", I still get CIA, FBI or NSA. This is the same behavior in any tag context.

I could enter a "waffle" tag context and search for "any: intitle:FBI intitle:NSA intitle:CIA". I will get all notes tagged with "waffle" + all notes containing either FBI, NSA or CIA in the title.

In other words what I end up with is "tag:privacy" AND "any: intitle:FBI intitle:NSA intitle:CIA"

The tag search here is redundant... unless one wanted to include any particular tag not necessarily associated with notes that have CIA, NSA or FBI in the note title.

There is currently no way to isolate just those notes containing FBI, NSA or CIA in the note title that are tagged with "privacy" in one search.

You would have to do 3 separate searches (just to be thorough) and tag the search results to consolidate them.

i.e.

1. tag:privacy intitle:NSA
2. tag:privacy intitle:CIA
3. tag:privacy intitle:FBI
4. tag any search results with a common tag (or not)

OR enter that tag context and search for intitle:NSA/CIA/FBI individually 

Either way, jbenson2 was speaking to the flexibility of options we have in Evernote. Not showcasing his second point in its entirety as the prime example.   

In trying to put forth a couple of wide-ranging examples, I myself would have most likely given half a dozen impossibilities 

Good work Frank!

 

I'm not sure if I was clear, but my suggestion was for flebber.

 

But I'm glad you found something potentially useful.

 

Carry on.  

Hey JMichael, 

I was just "thinking out aloud" 

As per your suggestion, it's amazing what a simple Google search can reveal. I personally didn't know about ConceptDraw. 

You may want to do a google on "evernote mind map".

A Google search reveals:

1. Mohiomap - something I've tinkered with, but not in line with what @flebber is looking for
2. ConceptDraw - a heavy piece of Mac/ Windows software that has a limited trial period before you need to pay for a license. I have downloaded and installed it... just need to tinker with it. The Evernote app Center gives a very attractive review, though. Seems, at face value to offer what @flebber might need.

I think you're out of luck there. What I have done on occasion is create a mind map with the Skitch tools on a blank background image... however one cannot create links in the text in annotation mode. 

I think, for now, the best you can do is copy an outline into Evernote (from, say, WorkFlowy)... and do linking from there... but that's not exactly mind mapping.

How about doing the whole thing in reverse?... Why not pop your EN note link into a mind-map node?... It should open the note within the Evernote app easily on mobile device. You should be able to do this with MindMeister, for instance. I do this all the time with apps such as Trello and my iOS Calendar app.

In that sense... keep the spatial thinking in an app that specializes in that, and have the added benefit of accessing your notes in EN.