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  1. It is really upto the software developer to set their business / pricing strategy. We cannot force them. Having said that, I think Evernote pricing strategy is wrong and they forget to consider the "cost to serve" element. many users take up hardly any resource of the company and to charge a "one size fits all" could backfire. For example, assuming after this, all "simple" users exit the platform. How much reduction might there be on the company resources e.g. cloud storage - I can't say for sure but my guess maybe 20-30%. The "heavy" users will still consume bulk of resource, and maybe $130 per year may still not be sufficient for the company as the heavy users start adding multi gigagbytes or terrabytes of cloud storage. a more sensible pricing strategy may be to charge on per gigabyte use basis, like many cloud providers, of course the price per gb should be more than pure cloud storage provider, due to the software etc. Also, as a philosophy, I suggest to keep notes as simple as possible. The more complex you make them, the harder to migrate. The more tagging you do, the more nesting you do, the more attachments you add, the more complex formatting you do, the harder it will be to migrate. temporary notes (eg going into a meeting) are fine to make complex - they are situational and not needed after a few months, and don't need to migrate. but for more permanent notes, it would be ideal to keep them simple. instead of attaching documents, your note could point to where they reside on your computer for e.g. And when you DO need to migrate and IF there are no other options, do not discount, what I call, the "incremental migration" strategy. This works as follows: - leave all existing notes in your old note app - new notes, you create in new note app - old notes, whenever you need to amend them, copy over to new note app manually and edit over there The plus of this is you are also in a way doing housekeeping, eg after 1 year, you will have active notes in your new note app, while outdated notes only in your old note app. This helps in keeping database small, thus faster speed. Also, when you do search, you don't get so many outdated notes also appearing in search. In my case, I had 5000+ notes in my old notes app, but after 1 year, I had transferred only 1500 active notes into my new notes app, and left the 3500 outdated notes in old app. YMMV of course. 1500 notes coped over 1 year works out to be about manually copying 4 notes a day, which is not too painful (though of course in reality, in initial days, may need to copy up to 10 notes notes a day, and then it starts tapering off). There are some drawbacks like having to search 2 notes app for some time. A POSSIBLE option to consider
  2. Good luck to everyone on their journeys ! I have been burnt before, so a philosophy I follow is to keep my notes as simple as possible. The more complex you make them, the harder to migrate. The more tagging you do, the more nesting you do, the more attachments you add, the more complex formatting you do, the harder it will be to migrate. temporary notes (eg going into a meeting) are fine to make complex - they are situational and not needed after a few months, and don't need to migrate. but for more permanent notes, it would be ideal to keep them simple. instead of attaching documents, your note could point to where they reside on your computer for e.g. We all hope that in our lifetime, we don't need to migrate to a new notes app! But it may not always be the case - price increase becomes ridiculous, company decides to retire the product, company goes bust ... etc. And when the need to migrate happens, the simpler the notes, the easier to migrate. And when you DO need to migrate and IF there are no other options, do not discount, what I call, the "incremental migration" strategy. This works as follows: - leave all existing notes in your old note app - new notes, you create in new note app - old notes, whenever you need to amend them, copy over to new note app manually and edit over there The plus of this is you are also in a way doing housekeeping, eg after 1 year, you will have active notes in your new note app, while outdated notes only in your old note app. This helps in keeping database small, thus faster speed. Also, when you do search, you don't get so many outdated notes also appearing in search. In my case, I had 5000+ notes in my old notes app, but after 1 year, I had transferred only 1500 active notes into my new notes app, and left the 3500 outdated notes in old app. YMMV of course. 1500 notes coped over 1 year works out to be about manually copying 4 notes a day, which is not too painful (though of course in reality, in initial days, may need to copy up to 10 notes notes a day, and then it starts tapering off). There are some drawbacks like having to search 2 notes app for some time. Many may not have considered this as an option. I certainly didn't. but it worked well for me, so am highlighting it as a POSSIBLE option to think about.
  3. I found Onenote to be pretty close to Evernote. Of course, it is not exact replica, but do play around with the settings (on windows version), to make it closer in look and feel. The android version (& presumably the IOS version too?) lacks tagging feature, so that could be a major issue for some. Migration may be a pain though. There are 2 tools that I am aware of 1) free, open source tool called stefan's tool evernote2onenote converter. but i haven't used so cannot vouch for it. one user commented that all formating is lost when migrating using this tool 2) onegem costing $28. I haven't tried so cannot vouch for it, though i have read 2-3 positive reviews and no negative reviews. there is also no real trial, so you will need to make leap of faith in buying. do not discount, what I call, the "incremental migration" strategy. This works for migrating from ANY note app to ANY other note app. This works as follows: - leave all existing notes in your old note app - new notes, you create in new note app - old notes, whenever you need to amend them, copy over to new note app manually and edit over there This may appear counter-intuitive. I was forced into it, and was initially very upset. But in the end, it worked like a charm for me. Because this way, you are also in a way doing housekeeping, ie after 1 year, you will have active notes in your new note app, while outdated notes only in your old note app. This helps in keeping database small, thus faster speed. Also, when you do search, you don't get so many outdated notes also appearing in search. In my case, I had 5000+ notes in my old notes app, but after 1 year, I had transferred only 1500 active notes into my new notes app, and left the 3500 outdated notes in old app. YMMV of course. 1500 notes coped over 1 year works out to be about manually copying 4 notes a day, which is not too painful (though of course in reality, in initial days, may need to copy up to 10 notes notes a day, and then it starts tapering off). There are some drawbacks like having to search 2 notes app for some time. But after some time, this also reduces. Many may not have considered this as an option. I certainly didn't. but it worked well for me, so am highlighting it as a POSSIBLE option to think about.
  4. What problems you had with the sync from OneNote on Windows to OneNote on Android ? I am using the same, and have not had an issue. Would like to (1) help if possible, and (2) be aware of specific issues so that I can decide on my choices. Thanks
  5. personally, I was forced into what I will call "incremental migration" strategy, when I moved from palm desktop / device into evernote due to lack of compatible way of doing automatic transfer. This works for migrating from ANY note app to ANY other note app. This works as follows: - leave all existing notes in your old note app - new notes, you create in new note app - old notes, whenever you need to amend them, copy over to new note app manually and edit over there This may appear counter-intuitive. I was forced into it, and was initially very upset. But in the end, it worked like a charm for me. Because this way, you are also in a way doing housekeeping, ie after 1 year, you will have active notes in your new note app, while outdated notes only in your old note app. This helps in keeping database small, thus faster speed. Also, when you do search, you don't get so many outdated notes also appearing in search. In my case, I had 5000+ notes in my old palm desktop, but after 1 year, I had transferred only 1500 active notes into evernote, and left the 3500 outdated notes in old palm desktop app. 1500 notes coped over 1 year works out to be about manually copying 4 notes a day, which is not too painful (though of course in reality, in initial days, may need to copy upto 10 notes notes a day, and then it starts tapering off). There are some drawbacks like having to search 2 notes app for some time. But after some time, this also reduces. Many may not have considered this as an option. I certainly didn't. but it worked well for me, so am highlighting it as a POSSIBLE option to think about.
  6. may not resolve your issue, but just for info, if you attach the pdf as printout in onenote, it is searchable. in case you still do decide to move from evernote to onenote, there are 2 solutions I am aware of. 1) free, open source tool called stefan's tool evernote2onenote converter. but i haven't used so cannot vouch for it 2) onegem costing $28. I haven't tried so cannot vouch for it, though i have read 2-3 positive reviews and no negative reviews. there is also no real trial, so you will need to make leap of faith in buying an alternative is what I will call "incremental migration" strategy. This works for migrating from ANY note app to ANY other note app. This works as follows: - leave all existing notes in your old note app - new notes, you create in new note app - old notes, whenever you need to amend them, copy over to new note app manually and edit over there This may appear counter-intuitive. But this way, you are also in a way doing housekeeping, ie after 1 year, you will have active notes in your new note app, while outdated notes only in your old note app. This helps in keeping database small, thus faster speed. Also, when you do search, you don't get so many outdated notes also appearing in search. In my case, I had 5000+ notes in my old palm desktop, but after 1 year, I had transferred only 1500 active notes into evernote, and left the 3500 outdated notes in old palm desktop app. 1500 notes coped over 1 year works out to be about manually copying 4 notes a day, which is not too painful (though of course in reality, in initial days, may need to copy upto 10 notes notes a day, and then it starts tapering off). There are some drawbacks like having to search 2 notes app for some time. But after some time, this also reduces. I note you have16k notes which may be difficult to use this strategy, but not impossible. It depends upon how many of your notes are "dead" notes. Hope this helps. Thanks
  7. just fyi, for those wanting to move from evernote to onenote, there are 2 solutions I am aware of, but i have not tried any. 1) free, open source tool called stefan's tool evernote2onenote converter. but i haven't used so cannot vouch for it 2) onegem costing $28. I haven't tried so cannot vouch for it, though i have read 2-3 positive reviews and no negative reviews. there is also no real trial, so you will need to make leap of faith in buying. please don't rely on me. I am just highlighting it exists and cannot say for sure about it. you need to make your own decision. The third way is THE INCREMENTAL MIGRATION STRATEGY: personally, I was forced into what I will call "incremental migration" strategy, when I moved from palm desktop / device into evernote due to lack of compatible way of doing automatic transfer. This works for migrating from ANY note app to ANY other note app. This works as follows: - leave all existing notes in your old note app - new notes, you create in new note app - old notes, whenever you need to amend them, copy over to new note app manually and edit over there This may appear counter-intuitive. I was forced into it, and was initially very upset. But in the end, it worked like a charm for me. Because this way, you are also in a way doing housekeeping, ie after 1 year, you will have active notes in your new note app, while outdated notes only in your old note app. This helps in keeping database small, thus faster speed. Also, when you do search, you don't get so many outdated notes also appearing in search. In my case, I had 5000+ notes in my old palm desktop, but after 1 year, I had transferred only 1500 active notes into evernote, and left the 3500 outdated notes in old palm desktop app. 1500 notes coped over 1 year works out to be about manually copying 4 notes a day, which is not too painful (though of course in reality, in initial days, may need to copy upto 10 notes notes a day, and then it starts tapering off). There are some drawbacks like having to search 2 notes app for some time. But after some time, this also reduces. Many may not have considered this as an option. I certainly didn't. but it worked well for me, so am highlighting it as a POSSIBLE option to think about. hope this is helpful to some people. thank you.
  8. PinkElephant and s2sailor, both your points are valid and well taken. My suggestion has some benefits too, and i would like to highlight: 1) note taking apps are very important to many people, and preference can vary a lot. just by reading the features etc, one may not be able to figure out for sure, whether they would prefer or not. there is the initial User Interface that you see, and the features that you immediately notice. but there is also customisation which can change your total feel about the app, and more features you discover as you use. i.e. there is a learning curve. so, many a times, at the first go, many people will just say that, no, no way, they don't like the new app and cannot get use to it - true whether moving from evernote to onenote, or from onenote to evernote. but put a few days effort, and they may find it is actually not bad, or there is lot of similarity or may even find better ! by doing in "baby step", so to speak, you don't fully invest into it. you can backtrack or move to third application if needed. you use for a week, putting only new notes in the new app. by then, you will know for sure, whether you want to move or not. and if not, you can move the relatively few new notes from new app to old app. you haven't invested resources - time, money, effort in reclassifying data, structuring data for seamless conversion, fixing reason if data transfer fail etc - on full transfer of data yet. if you just move one shot without experimenting for 1 week, and you don't like, then you would need to do reverse transfer again ! if you use commercial software to do full transfer e.g. onegem, you pay money and then if you feel you don't want to move, your money is wasted. 2) over time, you may have collected thousands of notes. you can of course just leave it as it is. but this can start becoming problem. with very large database for e.g. , everything becomes slower. when you do a search, too many outdated notes are found. so, you might need to do housekeeping, and that means you spend time specifically doing housekeeping. however, by moving over time, only active notes to new app, some level of housekeeping is automatically done. if you need to edit a note, that means it is active. that is why i say move it - even though you can edit in evernote free version. if you need to read-only access a note many times, move it etc. of course, new notes are only in new app. then over time, you may find many notes in old app are outdated. for e.g. in my case, when moving from old palm desktop (i had about 5000 notes) to evernote, over 1 year, i found 30% (around 1500 of those notes) in evernote, and 70% (3500 of those notes) remaining in palm desktop, which i rarely access at all. YMMV of course. so, it helped me to do housekeeping automatically. in my case, it was harder as palm desktop is only on computer so sometimes when out, i could get stuck, not having access to important data while on the go. but moving from evernote to onenote or onenote to evernote, it is easier as notes are available on your mobile too. after 1 year, bulk of transfer and housekeeping is done. then, even if i access a note only one time, i move it. it is rare, in any case. as you are not deleting your data in old app, you don't need to worry in any case, as even after 3 years, you find you need a note that has data you need (very very rare), you can still access. As i said, your point on moving one shot is also valid. the need to search 2 silos is also true, but after a point, it is less. I could not do one shot in my case, as while palm desktop could export all notes in one csv file, evernote could not import. So i was forced to do bit by bit and upset initially, but later found, it was actually great strategy for me, due to the housekeeping done, and successfully getting all my active notes into evernote. if i wanted to do one shot, I would have to use some lesser known apps like Note Everything, which could import csv file, but i wasn't keen on it. So, highlighting this as a strategy that worked for me, in case someone else could also feel like following. It actually worked like a charm for me, when initially I was very upset I could not move all notes. Thanks
  9. some people may find value in evernote premium, some may not. it depends upon complexity of your usage. for those who feel evernote premium is not value for their use case: As per what I suggested earlier, leave your old notes in Evernote free version. You are supposed to still have full read-only access to it. Hopefully, this policy is not changed in future. Evernote is available on your mobile, so you can easily access your old notes on the go too. Start an account in Onenote, if you don't already have. New notes, you create here. There will be some learning curve. Biggest drawback will be lack of tagging on onenote mobile version. You can use so-called "Sections", which is like category as tags, but of course limited to one "tag" per note. For second tag, if needed, you can use hashtag-like system ie eg #urgent. Onenote has very powerful search function, it can even search in middle of word eg if you search burger, words like hamburger, cheeseburger, beefburger, beef burger etc all will be found. another good organisation function is you can move notes and keep related notes beside each other, in addition to alphabetical, modified date and created date sorting whenever any old note in evernote needs change, copy just that note over to onenote, and make changes. initially, this will happen a lot, say several times a day. but over time, say 1 year, you will find you will need to access evernote less and less. I suggest to use this way, and also it helps you to ignore notes that are outdated. no need to review notes and remove outdated notes. killing 2 birds with one stone ! if you want to fast track and transfer all notes, there are some commercial solution. one is onegem costing $28 that claim can transfer from evernote to onenote. I haven't tried so cannot vouch for it, though i have read 2-3 positive reviews and no negative reviews. there is also no real trial, so you will need to make leap of faith in buying. please don't rely on me. I am just highlighting it exists and cannot say for sure about it. you need to make your own decision. i also came across open source tool called stefan's tool evernote2onenote converter. this one is free so easier to try ! but i haven't use. just highlighting the existence. hope this is helpful to some people. thank you.
  10. i have tried both evernote and onenote, and can safely say onenote is not bad, even great, for an average user. i mainly use on the android phone, as that is where i need my notes on the go. the computer is used more for input. I don't use my notes application(s) to reproduce my desktop - windows file explorer folders, word files, excel files, documents etc. some short word files, which are essentially notes, i would copy to my notes application(s). notes application for me is for keeping notes, not whole documents. word / pdf files on computer is more suited for that. my notes application(s) is not a replica of my Documents folder in windows computer which has numerous files. each has its strength. evernote has tagging, which onenote (on android phone) don't have - however, onenote has section, sub-section etc. on the other hand, onenotes has far superior search facility including finding in the middle of the word rather than just the beginning of the word. onenote has one feature that is very important to me - custom sorting of notes. this way, i can group notes related to each other together - eg i may have created a note on my car tyres one year ago. i may create a note on my car battery today. i can drag the note on car battery up / down to be besides the note on my car tyre. and then i may have a few notes on public transport. i would like to keep them above the car-related notes so that i can reference them together easily. evernote doesn't have this facility. i would have to change the first word on all related notes to be the same, and then sort alphabetically. This is painful. and have to ensure that all other notes don't have that word as starting word ! PS i am a palm device user from long time, and this ability to move notes to group related notes together was a feature from then, and became important to me ! all notes apps (or other apps for that matter) must have decent export facility, so that users are not held hostage. That is just being ethical. onenote allows export of notes in word, pdf, xps and single file web page format. evernote too allows to pdf. They should also have csv file export format, but don't. there is a third party application called onegem which allows for csv file export from onenote. that also allows for evernote to onenote transfer and google keep to onenote transfer among others. it costs $28 but has no real trial. i have not myself used it. but others have made good comments. personally, at the point of migration, i take it as an opportunity to cull notes and only bring forward those active notes when i need them. i had thousands of notes in palm device / desktop, which allowed CSV file export. But onenote or evernote didn't have ability to import CSV file. then i realised that many of my notes are outdated or not of value anymore. i did manual transfer of about 200 most important notes that i know i will need on the go. the rest is an ongoing process. i can still reference my old notes on palm desktop. so i need not migrate them to onenote / evernote immediately. if any change need to be made to a note, i will copy that note manually and make change only in onenote / evernote i.e. palm desktop remains static with no new information. if i find i need information on certain note on the go (even though no change needed), i will copy that note manually. palm desktop is only on the computer unfortunately. while evernote is on the phone. so it is anyway easy to reference old notes, and you can just keep them on evernote. whenever a note needs to be updated, you can copy over to onenote and make changes there. new notes only to be created in onenote. onenote is completely free - microsoft makes money from elsewhere so it can allow onenote to be free without any issue. hope i am able to help some folks. sorry for my english not being so good. thanks
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