dennis2008 0 Posted July 30, 2011 Posted July 30, 2011 This is extremely useful when you have accumulated a large number of tags over time. Since most of the time a user has to select a notebook to work with, displaying only tags in this notebook which could possibly filter out 90% of irrelevant tags makes a lot of sense.
Level 5 jbenson2 2,149 Posted July 30, 2011 Level 5 Posted July 30, 2011 Interesting concept, but implementing inside the Evernote computer code could be a bear.It would flip the whole concept of universal tags around.If I need to narrow a search for a tag in a specific notebook, I add notebook:name to my search.
dennis2008 0 Posted July 30, 2011 Author Posted July 30, 2011 Thanks for your reply. Maybe the concept of universal tags is more important to someone else than it is to me but when something that makes sense can not replace something already exists, I still wish it could be 'added' somewhere.I think the power of tagging is that you can casually associate your note with some keywords that are off the top of your head when the note is created or reviewed. With this characteristic, the number of tags grows very quick to the extent that some day later you may need some help to 'know what to search for'. It would be nice if there is a way to filter out irrelevant tags.
Level 5 jbenson2 2,149 Posted July 30, 2011 Level 5 Posted July 30, 2011 I have about 800 tags now. I use a very structured Parent / Child format, so it is easy for me to remember the tag name.Yes, universal tags is an important part of Evernote.Another tip that might help (In Windows)Have you tried turning off the tags with the right click "Hide Unassigned Tags"? It kicks in when you run a search.
misterphil 0 Posted August 2, 2011 Posted August 2, 2011 I've just started with Evernote, and have been cruising through the forums looking for tagging conventions (I don't mean social events ) I'm currently trying to use the same system as jbenson2. Anyway, I started out OK, but I'm struggling a bit as I go on. For example I've got some useful grouping, and I only use the parent tag if the note is really global for all child tags, otherwise I create another child. I noticed there's a lot of misunderstanding about tag hierarchy, but I like it the way it is. I do it like so: fitness fit-climbing fit-cycling fit-diving fit-runningfood foo-allergy foo-nutrition foo-recipeproductivity pro-evernote pro-gtd pro-lifehacks pro-toodledo but then I've also got tons of stuff like travel and places, how would you store that? Does this look sensible? place pla-madrid pla-new.york (I'm avoiding spaces as I'm still learning) pla-paris pla-usatravel tra-booking tra-car tra-flight tra-train I think that's OK, but I also have lots of tags that don't fit in any particular category like : fun, howto, free, economics. Should I keep them or should I try to bundle them? I think that as most don't have a common parent they shouldn't be bundled and given a 3 letter tag prefix, but I could put them in a parent tag called 'other'. I'd like people's opinions. I've only seen jbenson2 discuss how to use a parent/child structure. what about all those miscellaneous tags though? Cheers, Phil
Level 5 jbenson2 2,149 Posted August 2, 2011 Level 5 Posted August 2, 2011 A couple suggestions:1.) I originally only used the structured Parent / Child format for subjects I searched frequently. But there are some housekeeping benefits when you put miscellaneous stuff under one general tag. It will make the compressed list of tags considerably smaller. I capture a lot of political commentaries (local, national, and worldwide). All the tags for these political subjects are stored under Issues, but they do not have a common prefix. Here are a few issues that begin with the letter C.IssuesCalifornia-downfallCampaign-financeCap-and-TradeCensusCivilityClimategate2.) Due to a glitch in the Evernote search code, I do not recommend using the same prefix for the Parent and the Child. An alternative that will result is accurate searches would be to change to something like this:Location pla-madrid pla-new.york pla-paris pla-usaTrip tra-booking tra-car tra-flight tra-train.
misterphil 0 Posted August 2, 2011 Posted August 2, 2011 Thanks for the quick response. I've now put everything else in a tag group '_other' that sits at the top of the list. Regarding your second point, what is the actual problem with the search code, and is it documented somewhere?I enjoying using it with the same prefix because that allows me to easily filter what I want. E.g, For the following books tagsbooks boo-Fiction boo-TechnicalAll parent & child books: (tag:boo*)All child categorized: (tag:boo-*)only parent categorized: (tag:books)But if I use a different prefix that's not going to work. Edit: I like how when I add a tag it (in the Windows version) auto-suggests the tags, but when searching that functionality is missing. I hope they add that soon. Finally how do you indent your text in a forum post without using the Code tags?Thanks,Phil
misterphil 0 Posted August 2, 2011 Posted August 2, 2011 I think that tag prefix bug is discussed here:http://forum.evernote.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=23944&p=102976&hilit=tag+prefix+bug#p102976
Level 5 jbenson2 2,149 Posted August 2, 2011 Level 5 Posted August 2, 2011 I indent in the forum using the List commandExample:[*list]Parent[*list]ChildChildChild[*/list][*/list]Result:ParentChildChildChild
Level 5 jbenson2 2,149 Posted August 2, 2011 Level 5 Posted August 2, 2011 After looking at your setup, I believe that you won't run into the same problem. Because they are slightly different spellings (books and boo-)booksboo-Fictionboo-TechnicalThe problem would kick in if you use:books books-Fiction books-TechnicalA work-around the search problem is to manually type the search parameters into Notepad first and then copy and paste it to the Evernote search field.In other words:Type-in search terms = fail occasionallyPaste-in search terms = successThe problem does not show up in Evernote Web, just Evernote Windows.Crane submitted a similar problem in October of last year. The case # was 134873. She was told a bug was filed. Since then, the same problem has been brought up in the forum, but no solution.Here is a link to one of the discussions:http://forum.evernote.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=22679&p=98193The Parent "Job" and Child "Job-xxx" creates the search problem.Changing the Parent from "Job" to "Jobs" solves the search problem..
misterphil 0 Posted August 2, 2011 Posted August 2, 2011 Well I've just spent 10 minutes playing around with what you mentioned and I can't reproduce that bug in the latest Windows version.I created the following tag structure:petpet-catpet-dogI tagged three notes pet-cat, and two notes pet-dog. I didn't tag anything pet.tag:pet* returns all 5 notestag:pet-* returns all 5 notestag:pet-c* returns 3 cat notestag:pet-cat returns 3 cat notestag:pet-dog returns 2 dog notes.Therefore, as far as I can tell I don't have that bug in version 4.4.2.4912
Level 5 jbenson2 2,149 Posted August 2, 2011 Level 5 Posted August 2, 2011 Misterphil - good call. Merci beaucoup. You are correct.Perhaps Evernote corrected the search problem in one of the previous releases. The last I heard from Evernote was that they agreed with my conclusion and were going to investigate further. I guess it would be difficult for Evernote to notify the users who submitted support requests when a correction is made further down the road.
misterphil 0 Posted August 2, 2011 Posted August 2, 2011 Maybe there is a change log with each release? I'd hope so. I found a slight problem on the EN Web search box using my parent tagging system.whatever sub tag of pet you search for it always fills the text search box with: tag:pet and whatever you actually wanted to search for. No big deal as you can remove the one you don't want.Cheers,Phil
Level 5* jefito 5,598 Posted August 7, 2011 Level 5* Posted August 7, 2011 I think that's OK, but I also have lots of tags that don't fit in any particular category like : fun, howto, free, economics. Should I keep them or should I try to bundle them? I think that as most don't have a common parent they shouldn't be bundled and given a 3 letter tag prefix, but I could put them in a parent tag called 'other'. Sure, it's fine to do that; it helps to keep the tag tree's top level smaller.I'd like people's opinions. I've only seen jbenson2 discuss how to use a parent/child structure. what about all those miscellaneous tags though?jbenson has a system that works well for him, but not everyone needs the parent /child search features that he does. I have a loose hierarchical tree, but I don't really need to enforce the tree in searches; my tree is mainly to keep the clutter down. It's not just tags that have no obvious common parent either, it's also tags that could have multiple logical parents.
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