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13 hours ago, Dave Green said:

Do you find any relationship between notes being local and having made an ENEX of the containing notebook on the desktop where you want the notes to be local?

What do you mean by 'local' note? I don't have any local notebooks (all notebooks ae synced across all devices).

Looks like exporting notebook several times forces EN to cache all notes from notebook locally - first export fails at 13%, second export fails at 20% and so on until whole notebook successfully exported. After that BTW all notes (from successfully exported notebook) are available offline.
So, in theory, if I can force export ALL notes (which can't be done in v10, not via UI at least) - this will force to cache everything locally, IF cached notes are never deleted (which I can't really check).

Also, I've tried to backup whole database with evernote-backup tool (on Classic Evernote installation). It worked much more reliably - failed couple of times during 'sync' phase, but all notebooks were successfully exported in one go. Will try to do it with v10 at my work desktop PC today.

1 hour ago, gazumped said:

Hi.  Always useful to know what device / OS and Evernote versions you're using...

Latest version, tried on Windows and Mac.

1 hour ago, Jon/t said:

I use it offline quite a bit when travelling and its always worked. I've always managed to find the notes I want.

I've not run any tests as I just 'use it' so in real life on trains and in cheap dodgy hotels it works as expected.

I guess it 'just works' - until you suddenly need a 5-year old note from 60Gb database. And you always need it exactly that very hour when there's no internet connection

Strangely enough, mobile version still has 'all notebooks available offline' option.

So, Classic Evernote (I refuse to call it 'legacy', it's an insult to a good software) will stop working in several weeks, and I'm trying to determine if this new Evernote is actually usable (because first releases of v10 felt like something hastily hacked together by some inexperienced hipsters).

Experiment 1 - offline access to notes.
I've waited several days for EN to download all the data, its 'cache' folder is approximately the same size as data-folder of Classic Evernote. So, all the notes should be available without internet connection, right? Wrong! And it's not just oldest notes not available offline, it's kinda random.

Experiment 2 - exporting to ENEX.
It works, kinda. It took 9 attempts and 2+ hours to export first notebook. The same notebook exported from Classic Evernote in 10 minutes, on first attempt.
Exporting failes often if notebook has at least 200 notes and/or more than 1Gb of data. It seems that EN has troubles with very old notes (5+ year old).

Bottom line : v10 is still unreliable.
Maybe it'll change to better in near future (I still have several months of Premium subscription left), but I don't hold my breath. New dev team seems to be more interested in fancy bells-and-whistles stuff than in making basic funtionality robust (or implementing missing features / fixing old bugs).

4 minutes ago, ferol said:

Oh I see now, But I'm afraid we won't see this one. Maybe Tabs support will solve that

Who would think that adding some buttons would be so hard... (sorry, I just can't talk about this without irony, being developer myself).

I mean it was obviously good UI/UX solution that worked really well.

9 minutes ago, ferol said:

 

You can't reach "shortcut" with a single click when it's buried in the tree of notebooks.

I've attached picture how it looks -- in the horizontal toolbar just below app-menu; that way you can acces 'pinned' note/notebook with single click, without scrolling and searching.

Just now, ferol said:

OK..  dont use this.. I use Shortcuts only.. .and Nested Tags

like this:

 

It looks like this :
(basically a 'cache' of most used notebooks, 'quick access' or smth like that)

2 minutes ago, ferol said:

 

I'm talking about note/notebook shortcut - it's when you 'pin' some note or notebook to toolbar panel and can access it with single click.

I can one thing to the list (since I'm forced to use v10 soon and old problems are still there) : shortcuts.

Shortcuts are not really shortcuts in v10.
'Shortcut' is when you do single click and go to the note or notebook. Not scrolling large list and picking smth buried in list of notebook, not going to home-screen and picking from tiny scrollable window (on a large 4K display, yeah), but doing single click.

There was an option once to show shortcuts on the toolbar under menu (on a macbook at least) - so it can be optional, because I can already hear "oh but only 1% of users want this"

9 hours ago, Dave-in-Decatur said:

I sympathize with the PDF problem. Premium's note size limit is 200 MB, so if there was another 100 MB in that note, that could have been a problem. Even if not, honestly I would probably download a PDF that large and then open it in Acrobat or whatever rather than try to work with it inside Evernote. Just my 2 cents.

As for "if I click a button I control it" ... so something could break if it's running all the time, but clicking the button could never fail? It's the same infrastructure either way. Not wanting to argue indefinitely; I've just never understood the "I need to click to be sure it's working argument." IAC, in v. 10 you can use Ctrl+R to force a sync--same thing, just no button.

That note contained only one PDF - that was sole purpose of that note  

There is a number of such notes with large PDFs attached and I can't remember any problems with opening them from EN, I do that every day (with a smaller PDFs typically).
BTW v10 is still doesn't open attached file with double-click or right-click menu - you have to open it in internal viewer and from there you can click-click-click open file (image for example) with app you need. Usability my a$$.

Yes I could store PDFs elsewhere. But that's the point of using EN - to have many notes/PDFs in one place, tagged and searchable.

Also I know about 'hidden' refresh/reload commands in v10 - tried to used them on macbook at work - and they seemed to do nothing. So I prefer to have 'sync' button and sync (or NOT sync) when needed.

2 hours ago, ferol said:

https://help.evernote.com/hc/en-us/articles/209005247-Evernote-system-limits

 

 

If you are on the free version and you have a lot of big notes, it might be worth to pay for one month of paid service and during that time you can test everything, uninstall, backup etc. ..

It's 12 eur / month

 

 

I'm on premium, for quite some time.
Tried v10 several times, once a year or so and gave up on it.
Maybe this last attempt will be successful. If no, well, it's time to move on then. ENEX-export and import worked OK last time I tried.

7 hours ago, Dave-in-Decatur said:

New Evernote doesn't need any of that. With the change in structure and sync last year, syncing is simply happening all the time. For me, if they had a button to click, the sync would have happened before I could click it. An easy demonstration is to have a note open in one device and edit it on another (desktop and phone; Web and desktop; etc.), and watch the changes appear while you type. I once had my phone die in the middle of editing a note, and when I fired up my Windows laptop, there were all my edits, down to the half-typed word I was writing when the phone died.

But that doesn't address the question of downloading a complete database. Short of opening every note you have, there's no way to confirm that, of course (on Legacy either). But, though it can take from an hour or two to a couple of days on a new installation, v. 10 is built to download the whole thing.

What was the approximate date when you dealt with "first versions of v. 10"? About 3 years ago, right? And it was a mess. I avoided it for a year or two, and then gradually began experimenting with the Web version. If you haven't seen a recent version of Evernote 10, please don't judge it by v. 10.1.

When someone tell me 'it's is simply happening' - it horrifies me, because that means something will suddenly break behind your back (without you noticing it).
And 'sync is simply happening' just deleted an 100Mb PDF from the existing note because 'upload limit is exceeded'. I didn't upload anything, just tried to open PDF from existing note (on a freshly installed v10, on separate laptop) - EN tried to open PDF several times, showed that 'upload limit is exceeded' warning and removed PDF from the note (saving bunch of partially downloaded PDF to local folder) -- this is the prime example of 'new improved Evernote' and that's why I postponed that upgrade for years. I don't need automagical sync, I need something I can actually control (and I definitely don't need my data deleted behind my back).

But it looks like v10 is gradually downloading whole database, so maybe it's usable. I give v10 this one last chance.

35 minutes ago, enfan-01 said:

They have removed the forum titled 'How to Install an Older Version of Evernote'.

I believe that after v10 release everyone concerned with 'new' EN had saved 'Legacy' installer, just in case

2 hours ago, idoc said:

In my case I store all of my 10,000 notes in 7 notebooks.  So I can quite easily create a backup enex file of each notebook and store it in Gdrive or Dropbox.  It takes me about half an hour to do all 7 and I do this every few months.  Some people have a workflow whereby they've created hundreds of notebooks and this would be quite cumbersome.  Backupery is probably ideal for those circumstances (I tried it but I was just as quick doing it myself with 7 notebooks).  In retrospect I'm glad that my workflow relied more on naming conventions and tagging rather than hundreds or thousands of notebooks.

Backup is different question -- I just 7Zip whole Evernote data-folder to NAS once a week; it takes somewhat tolerable 30-40 minutes for my 60Gb database.

I'm concerned with 'regular' usage -- I'd like to have EN downloaded everything to be sure any note is accessible without internet-connection.
'Legacy' EN has that 'sync' button - you press it, wait some (maybe long) time and after that all notes are available offline. Mobile versions had 'offline' options per notebook - you tick that option, wait some time and all notebook's notes are available offline.
'New' EN doesn't have any of that. It SEEMS that new v10 installation is downloading all notes in background, but I'm  still pretty skeptical about that (after dealing with first versions of v10 - it looked like something hacked together by bunch of inexperienced students).

32 minutes ago, Jon/t said:

Yes. It has everything offline so if you have no wifi you can access notes.

What is doesn't have is local-only notebooks which are not on the cloud.

And next (predictable) question -- is there a way do "download EVERYTHING" ?

I mean to get all data offline (without clicking every single notebook and scrolling down to force download its notes)

Just now, Jon/t said:

Yes. It has everything offline so if you have no wifi you can access notes.

What is doesn't have is local-only notebooks which are not on the cloud.

Local notebooks are disappeared looong time ago, AFAIK.

First versions of 'new' Evernote seemed to store everything in 'cloud' and cached (very) small amount of notes locally, which was very slow and clunky and basically unusable. If v10 stopped doing that <censored>, I probably continue using EN.

Since 'Legacy' version is going to stop working next month, I have only one question about v10 :
can it store ALL data locally (so I can access ANY note offline) ?