Will Wang

I'm not sure if you are responding to me or referring to @Kusheran who mentioned "company killer." I don't understand why you took the term "company killer" so seriously. Evernote performs well in several aspects, and I believe it will continue to thrive. I also hope it becomes even better. It is a great tool, and I would promote and appreciate a tool, but I wouldn't try to infuriate another user who is disappointed with it. Regarding using older versions, for me, it is a last resort. I believe I have already expressed my thoughts on this matter and discussed the reasons for our differing views on this approach.

This is helpful (I haven't tried it myself. I'm not sure if the official team claims that this version resolves the issue or if it's based on feedback from the forum). This is also helpful, for infuriating users...

A company of significant scale is unlikely to collapse within two weeks, but please do not underestimate the severity of an issue that seriously troubles users. If enough people are affected for a prolonged period of time, the impact can be substantial.

Thank you for your thoughts. It's a very interesting solution indeed. I might consider giving it a try, as using a tool like Sikuli could potentially help me achieve that....

You are right, I just got the following message: It sounds like Evernote has put me in a difficult situation. 🫠

The difference in our perspectives on this issue lies in the following: You can perceive the problems caused by the bugs that have been fixed over the past year, while I am unaware of them (of course, I trust that the official team has made significant improvements). I can feel the pain caused by this conversion issue, while you only perceive it as "slowing things down a little." Therefore, our perspectives naturally differ. I don't have an in-depth analysis of the impact of this bug. I don't know how many people are actually affected, I don't know the average note-loading time for most users, I don't know if the official team has estimated this, and I don't know how they assess the severity of this bug. As an ordinary user, I can only rely on my own experience and the sample around me. I can say that several people around me have encountered the same issue, and it's not just a slight slowdown but a significant delay. Interestingly, "NONE of them" have reported it on the forum, except for me. One of them even canceled his subscription, but the system offered him a discount to retain it.

You may not have experienced this frustration, which is why you use the word "stupid." If users are forced to go through ten thousand note conversions, with each conversion causing a one-minute interruption and no other good workaround, using an older version is a practical approach. In the older versions, there may be bugs that users haven't yet experienced, but they might not be as severe as ten thousand minutes of interruption. Before choosing to leave Evernote, users can only do this and then come back to test the latest version every quarter or every two quarters to see if this issue has been improved. This was also my process when transitioning from legacy to v10. Previously, when I was working with colleagues in developing Firefox, if we found significant issues through telemetry, such as constant browser crashes, UI freezes, or major security issues, we would understand the severity and might revoke that release or release a patch as soon as possible instead of asking users to continue using a problematic version. We knew that every major bug occurrence would result in a certain level of user loss, so we would try to minimize this impact. Regarding the Evernote issue, currently, I haven't come up with a better approach than using an older version to bypass it. If you have any suggestions, please share them.

@dwainem I strongly agree with the "an option to have it do that automatically overnight" You can try version "10.38.3-mac-ddl-public (3437)" as I mentioned, I downloaded it from https://mac.filehorse.com/download-evernote/21849/

@Dave-in-Decatur Thank you very much for your reminder, which has helped alleviate some of the uncertainties in my mind. I also appreciate the information you provided regarding Evernote support. Thank you!

Thank you for your continuous and helpful responses. I really appreciate your assistance. Regarding automatic updates, I downloaded the previous version from a third-party website, not from the app store. I'm not sure if this version will still be automatically updated. Regarding the conversion process, I believe users would be more inclined to this approach if they were adequately informed about the potential time it takes for the conversion. However, as you mentioned, the developers might have considered all these factors, which still leaves me somewhat confused. Once again, thank you for providing the information. I apologize for giving the impression that I was asking you to search for me. That was a miscommunication on my part, and I will improve on that. Also, the technical details about the Conflict-Free Replicated Data Type (CRDT) in the article you provided have given me a better understanding. Wishing you all the best.

Thank you for your response, @agsteele! I would like to understand if there are any other workarounds apart from installing previous versions (such as 10.38.3-mac-ddl-public (3437)) that would allow me to continue using the latest version (which aligns with Evernote's goal of moving away from legacy versions). Is this issue related to having too many notes? (I have 9000+ notes) Could it be due to some notes having a large size? (Although I suspect it's unrelated to the size of the notes being converted) Is it possible for Evernote to perform a one-time conversion for all notes? Additionally, could you share with me more details about the RTE new data format and any relevant discussions regarding this issue? Thank you!

I did some "bisect"-like testing which might be useful for the Evernote QA team: 10.57.10-mac-ddl-public (598256) Editor: v169.1.20965 Service: v1.68.5 © 2019 - 2023 Evernote Corporation. All rights reserved slow 10.56.9-mac-ddl-public (4080) Editor: v168.1.20898 Service: v1.68.4 © 2019 - 2023 Evernote Corporation. All rights reserved slow 10.53.2-mac-ddl-public (3935) Editor: v165.2.20482 Service: v1.65.0 © 2019 - 2023 Evernote Corporation. All rights reserved slow 10.47.7-mac-ddl-public (3730) Editor: v159.2.19536 Service: v1.59.4 © 2019 - 2023 Evernote Corporation. All rights reserved slow 10.38.3-mac-ddl-public (3437) Editor: v149.0.18202 Service: v1.53.4 © 2019 - 2023 Evernote Corporation. All rights reserved ok (could you please also add more regression tests for this issue after resolving it 🙏 )

In the past few weeks, I have encountered an incredibly frustrating issue with the local app, where opening notes is unbelievably slow. It is astonishing to see that even notes with just a few bytes of data can take over a minute to load, and this slowness seems unrelated to note size. All my notes have already been fully synced, so that is not the cause of the problem. I also re-install Evernote from scratch, many times. What's even more surprising is that when I use the web version of Evernote to open notes, it is faster than the native application. I'm really puzzled by this situation and would like to understand why. I have noticed that several users have already reported these issues on the forum. (like, https://discussion.evernote.com/forums/topic/146099-evernote-10576-for-mac-very-slow-to-load-notes/ ) I believe the users deserve a proper explanation. Thank you very much.

Thank you @agsteele very appreciate your prompt reply! I can understand that it's hard to commit the plan or specific release time to the public. Maybe it's helpful to share with user about the intention, like: the priority on the roadmap is pretty low (P4,P5) / it's not the "Evernote way" ☠️ we are also eager to have it, it's on the way (under design / implementation / testing ) 🚀 we encountered technical issues 😣 I suppose these info can help user to make better decisions for example, someone might not leave Evernote if the feature is on the way. my two cents, thank you and hope Evernote keeps evolving

I am glad that I found this thread. I paid for Evernote for more than 10 years (from 2010/5/21), so I am quite familiar with many aspects of Evernote. Until now, I still constantly feel very painful once every time I need the TOC feature, I guess that many members here know more than me about the scenarios. To me, AFAIK, the workarounds are not enough... and I as a software engineer suppose this feature is not the rocket science, even it might be not that easy, like the syncing part. For the lack of TOC, I am forced to find alternative note software, like obsidian/ulysses and many others, and compose a very detailed comparison matrix, in the end I write notes outside the Evernote for certain scenarios. It will be extremely awesome if Evernote can dev this, and share the dev/release plan to users. FYI: In the Empathy Mapping, I will write my pain on it. 😂 🥲