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Table of contents for note


Vadych

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44 minutes ago, Vadych said:

Now it is possible to put the headings of three levels.
It would be great if a table of contents for a note is automatically created based on them

Just to clarify I think you mean a table of contents for the note not the old table of contents function in the lagacy which produced a separate TOC note with links to a number of other notes.

I completely agree with this idea, especially if it directly linked to the section of the note.

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You can create it - sort of. Just write several smaller notes instead of one big one, select them all, create the note links and place them into a TOC note. Not the same, but serves as a workaround.

Personally I hope that EN will use the header feature to take structuring text a little further, like TOC, collapsing and expanding text etc.

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On 12/28/2021 at 2:55 PM, jkap said:

Long notes are especially important in the new version of Evernote, since the removal of tabbed browsing and performance hits make it much slower to switch between many open notes

@PinkElephant see above. Switching between many notes is a worse experience in many cases. Additionally, your solution requires maintaining a table of contents note manually.

You say “it’s a better concept” to do it this other way, but I (and clearly plenty of other users) disagree, and have given specific, defensible reasons why. Saying “no you’re wrong” is user-hostile.

Regarding syncing problems — if that’s true, that is a separate issue, and should definitely be fixed. It’s not a reason to not implement this feature.

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On 5/11/2021 at 11:51 AM, PinkElephant said:

You can create it - sort of. Just write several smaller notes instead of one big one, select them all, create the note links and place them into a TOC note. Not the same, but serves as a workaround.

I'll have to beg to differ and say I'm not even sure that really serves as a work-around. One of the benefits of having all the content in the same note is that you can still scroll through the whole content easily. If the content is broken up into multiple notes, then there is no way to scroll through it all.

If you had a note with 50 different headers, you'd break that up into 50 different notes and have to go back and forth between each note.

Also, would the 50 different notes keep the same order? It would depend on what the sorting setting was and you'd have to prefix the note title with some kind of text that would keep them in the order you wanted.

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Side note -- I can't believe more people don't think having a built in table of contents (for just content in that note) is an awesome idea. Must just be one of those times where you are the outlier, but you thought you weren't. (And in this case, I'm the outlier.)

Btw, my opinion is that this table of contents should live in a sidebar and not be embedded in the note itself. (But being able to embed it in the note itself *also* would be ok too.)

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I think creating a Headers TOC would be awesome for notes that require scrolling.

I could see it being used for many purposes. For long-form notes, it would be a navigational element. For medium-form notes, it could be a content summary, e.g. 5-8 lines of headers that describe perfectly the summary of the note.

Personally, I would use it a lot for medium-form notes, as most of my Evernote content is short-form to medium-form notes. Sure I could use MS Word or Google Docs, but well, I would be really happy if Evernote did include that feature.

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On 2/11/2022 at 9:00 AM, Egholm said:

I'd love to see this feature - I too have large notes (that I refuse to put in another word-processor just in lack of this feature).

I discovered that they have in the competing product (Nimbus):

(I'm slowly being pushed/pulled that direction...)

Thanks for the Nimbus tip, I'm an avid Evernote user since 2011 but this particular lack on EN's part might lead me to migrate to Nimbus.

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11 minutes ago, Mike P said:

Чтобы прояснить, я думаю, вы имеете в виду оглавление для заметки, а не старую функцию оглавления в лаге, которая создала отдельную заметку TOC со ссылками на ряд других заметок.

Полностью согласен с этой идеей, особенно если она напрямую связана с разделом заметки.

Yes, you got it right

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1 hour ago, DTLow said:

Please explain the "three levels"   
I'm not aware of any levels in the note contents

I assume he means the three header levels which become  <h1>,  <h2> and  <h3> in the .enex file

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The fact that EN are doing it this way does bode well for internal linking within a note at some stage in the future.

 

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23 minutes ago, Boot17 said:

If you had a note with 50 different headers

I suspect this would be more of a document than a note   
I would be using a word processing editor (Apple Pages)    
The document would be stored in Evernote as a note attachment file

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There are still people who are so clever, but the simple difference between a workaround and a software change escapes their view from the ivory tower.

  • Workaround: Not so nice, some hiccups but available NOW
  • Software change: Eye watering brilliance, people around the world dancing in the street, but THEN (or maybe NEVER)

Personally I keep my notes short. Longer documents are attached, not scripted in EN.

We will have to wait and see if EN one day transforms the 3 header levels introduced with v10 into something with more function. It crosses my mind a TOC may be part of this package - THEN.

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Thanks - I appreciate the input. It’s just a different way of thinking about taking notes for me to break them up into smaller notes like that for some of my larger notes.

I’m hoping with the new v10 structure that they could/would add it, but I won’t hold my breath. 😃

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Was just thinking about this some more today... Perhaps Evernote wants to discourage super long notes as long notes make syncing, loading times and other things more problematic. Imagine a 40+ page note with 20+ tables, 50+ headers, 50+ tasks etc. and the syncing and rendering and other issues that could occur.

If there were a TOC and internal linking then it would encourage users to create longer notes and so EN would be shooting themselves in the foot to some degree. I hope that this *isn't* the case (that this is something they *could* do, but *won't* do), but it doesn't seem too unlikely that it *is* the case.

I'm more of a long note (aka document!) taker myself (not 40 page, 50+ table long though!). I've only got just over 1,300 notes at the moment, but if I broke those out into logically smaller notes I could easily have 40K+ 20K notes.

I use to look at the plan limitations of 100,000 maximum notes and think "why would anyone have so many notes?". Well, I can answer that now -- it's because maybe my notes could/should be broken into multiple notes.

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It is called EverNOTE, not EverNOVEL. Technically it is possible to write a lot of words into one note (200 MB is a small library, if only text is used). But the program is not designed to create this type of content. For long documents use a word processor - they are made for long pieces of writings.

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This would be incredibly useful for any note longer than a few screen-lengths. Quip has a really nice implementation (in my opinion.) 

Long notes are especially important in the new version of Evernote, since the removal of tabbed browsing and performance hits make it much slower to switch between many open notes.

To all the people saying, "just store it in a word doc" -- that's the equivalent of saying "don't use Evernote for this." Why not? There is no fundamental technical difference between a simple document and a long note. Evernote already supports many word-processing features (fonts, colors, subscript, etc). Anchor links are comparatively simple, and then it's just a matter of automatically building auto-generated anchor links into a UI overlay.

Evernote is supposed to be a "second brain," and sometimes that means writing docs/notes at greater length. This feature is relatively simple, and would make such content a better UX.

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Voting this feature.

 

Evernote has headings. I piece of me wishes there was a way for me to create a table of content within a single note. I have that have a lot of content, but I separate them with headings. It would be nice to have a table of content feature or macro so that I can quickly find subjects within my own notes. I have found the method shared on their website and YouTube video, but I don't think I will use this method. Creating an "app link" is a cool feature, but to use it to create a dedicated Table of Content note doesn't work well with my style of note taking. 

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I'd love to see this feature - I too have large notes (that I refuse to put in another word-processor just in lack of this feature).

I discovered that they have in the competing product (Nimbus):

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(I'm slowly being pushed/pulled that direction...)

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You write about large text notes. It is a better concept to have smaller notes, and bind them together by a table of content note. For more comfort you can add some links between them.

A set of smaller notes reduces the likelihood of syncing problems, and at the same time creates that outliner so much desired.

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One thing I like about keeping more content in the same note is that it's easier to scroll and view the content that way. When it is in multiple notes, it is possible, but not as easy. (Don't be telling me I should use a Word processor for that and attaching it as a separate document...I already know. 😃 )

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As another user I reserve the right to have and post my own opinion. 

My preference is to take „the 80%“ now and apply them. Sometimes you discover you can do without the last nittybitty detail  anyhow.

Feel free to proceed on your own way, posting here and waiting - waiting - waiting …

 

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I really would like this as well. Being able to jump to specific headings would be nice. I would like to see it similar to Obsidians where the TOC is an option in the menu rather than taking up space in a note similar to Notions.

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42 minutes ago, bdholland said:

Thanks for the Nimbus tip, I'm an avid Evernote user since 2011 but this particular lack on EN's part might lead me to migrate to Nimbus.

Don’t do it lol, research nimbus some - they appear awesome but that’s pr. 

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If we can't have the TOC, I would like to have a level between Notebook and Note that we can use to organize notes in the sidebar.  For example, if I was doing a collection of history, I want to do something add some kind of Grouping like this:

  • Stack -> Country
  • Notebook -> Period
  • Group -> [People, Location, Event]
  • Note -> [Napoleon, Charles De Gaulle], [Paris, Mersailles], [Napoleonic Wars, French Revolution, WW2]

I can kind of do Group by tagging everything and filtering by tag, but it would be nice to set up something that would filter and organize by pre-generated tags so my sidebar shows:

  • France
    • 1800s
      • People
        • Napoleon
      • Location
        • Paris
        • Waterloo
      • Event
        • Battle of Waterloo 1
        • Battle of Waterloo 2
    • 1900s
      • People
        • Charles De Gaulle
      • Events
        • World War 2

 

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If you look at how EN is set up, you „offer“ a choice between hard to implement and near impossible to do.

I think both would request a major recoding of the app and the backend on the server. And it would finally break compatibility with the legacy clients.

The best solution is to keep notes short, and link them together by a TOC note leading to them. This works now, and is not depending on actions by others.

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Every note of mine is organized in a way that it resembles the TOC feature:

I have sections within the note, which are separated through horizontal lines and each section has a title as well as a unique date/time stamp.

The section titles I also have at the beginning of a note. Jumping to the relevant section is easy with the search function.

So it would be of course bettet to have more automation (e.g. I use a different color for the section title and currently there is no shortcut for changing color), but the structure works for me.

BTW, there is a nice IOS app called Shortcut, which allows for a date/time stamp. Similarly on web I have an addon called FlyMSG which also allows for a (colored) date/time stamp.

 

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Actually, I think it will be brilliant to have an option to create a dashboard for each stack. This would be ideal as I use Evernote both for work and my personal life, but I am unable to separate the two. The "Home" page merges my workspace notebooks with my personal notebooks, but I feel they shouldn't be in the same "Home" area. I'll try to elaborate more on the idea as I continue my experience with Evernote. If anyone has workaround suggestions, I will greatly appreciate it.

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-Stack:MyPrivateStack to exclude everything in MyPrivateStack from showing in search results. You can save it as a saved search to reuse it.

Another option is to use 2 accounts, and share some notebooks for mutual content.

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