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  1. Thanks for your response. However you seem to be suggesting that EN for web-sourced notes really has no purpose that could not be served by bookmarks. Actually, I think notes that have been synced are available offline in the desktop app, so counting on reloading the web page is not a safe bet if you will be away from a connection. I did not say clips don't complete. I said they take so long that it's not practical to check each one to see whether it arrived and whether it was legible. Although, checking back I see I have two that have been in "clipping" status for six hours. The experiments using my phone today all used WiFi the whole time, including the two that have been clipping for six hours. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but isn't this section of the forum called "Clipper Product Feedback", suggesting that posts would be monitored by or are being transmitted to EverNote? Otherwise, who is the feedback to? My intent was not asking questions - it was making observations about deficiencies in the product that I would think would be useful information to EverNote - basically complaints. Strikes me as redundant to be asked to also submit a ticket.
  2. Here's another example of a screwed-up clip. It was shared to EverNote (from Chrome clipper) on the same computer that the desktop app is on:
  3. So to follow up on this a bit regarding why it should be a priority to FIX the Clipper apps, or at least add some kind of error message when a page is being scrambled by EverNote. Earlier I clipped a page on a laptop (shared to EverNote). According to the Clipper app, it had been clipped, but it doesn't offer to let you view the note. When I went to EN desktop app and synced, 17 minutes later it is still not visible in EverNote and still says "Clipping" in the note. Even slower (much slower) from a phone. In fact, items "clipped" often don't even show in EverNote as "clipping" for hours. This means that when I clip a web page, unless I wait for it to finish and check the result in EverNote carefully, I don't know until I try to open the note whether the clip was successful or not. Kind of unreliable, no? and not what a customer reasonably expects to happen? There appears to be a lag between a "clip" and the actual creation of a note, so when the Clipper tells you it's done, it really doesn't mean much and doesn't at all verify that what you asked for happened. So tomorrow when I look for something I clipped today, it may or may not be in EverNote and it may or may not be readable. Kind of like sending an email and waiting in suspense for 20 minutes to see if it was actually sent and whether it was formatted correctly.
  4. Thanks for the clarification. It was posted as a suggestion to fix it, not as a question per se and doesn't require an explanation of why it doesn't work consistently. The point being that it doesn't work right. Not clarified (except here) that "with text" means "bookmark" rather than a text-only version of the page, or that "full page" means sometimes.
  5. Web clipper in Chrome Android doesn't really work. Has two options, either "Create new note with text" (all this seems to do is create a note with a link in it) or "Clip full article", which is even weirder. Attached is a screenshot of part of an EN note created with the Chrome Android web clipper, "Clip full article" option. Most of it is basically illegible and it's not set up like the original article. Other clips come through as long vertical strings of illegible text. These problems don't always happen but they happen enough to make me say it's pretty unreliable. The only other option is apparently to just save a link. Very similar unsatisfactory results with the EN web clipper in Ghostery browser Android. The substance of this idea is . . . Can't this stuff be fixed? In the EN web clipper I use in Opera browser on my laptops, there is an option to create a note as a "Simplified article", which works great, basically moves images to be inline. Why no option like that in the Android version? What's the deal with the "text" option? Is that what it's supposed to do? .
  6. Let me just clarify: I am using EverNote to hold notes. I think that's reasonable I am trying to classify the notes individually and group them logically so they can be found easily and in some cases, browsed (for example the gazillion news articles I have saved). To do either I need some way to identify and group them. Although I started a week ago as a member of the Evil Folder-Monger camp, I have started using tags. So I am a good guy now. You can relax. I was happy to find that EN has the ability to nest tags, apparently endlessly. Which strikes me as a good thing, altho some of you seem to be arguing against this functionality, which I should point out already exists. One main issue now is why it is not possible to see how the tags are nested when I am selecting a tag for use. Unfortunately I do not have the full list and nesting structure memorized. The other main issue is why the non-desktop apps can't be made to work with tags better.
  7. But why would you want to do that? The whole idea in this discussion is classification. Strikes me as ass-backwards. For that matter I could go back to Google and repeat the original search that turned up the pages that I saved to EverNote . . . and bypass EN entirely.
  8. We're getting into an excellent sarcasm mode here, which is the highest form of wit!
  9. I know it's a shameful thing, but no I don't know my own tags. There are too many and most I use only rarely.
  10. Good grief man! Refine it? So you're fine with a trial-and-error, multiple-try process just to locate a related set of notes without extraneous notes? The idea is to simplify the query process, not complicate it!
  11. I'm really arguing for hierarchy, not necessarily via folders. A lot of folks seem to want it, including a lot who set up tags hierarchically (e.g. the Pseudo Notebooks post, which is where I started). Even EN seems to acknowledge the problem - why else would they have come up with nested tags? It's just that with both notebooks and tags they seem to have partly addressed the problem without really finalizing the solution. The fact that users want hierarchy keeps getting minimized by tag fans (and vice-versa I'm sure) My point is that if you want hierarchy then you need nesting of some kind, and if EN wants us to nest tags instead of sub-notebooks they should follow through and make the software completely suitable for working with tags (including the non-desktop apps).. Maybe a side note but my initial hesitation to experiment with tags was because I sensed exactly what happened this morning would happen. I quickly ran into a wall, meaning the limitations of EN's ability to deal with tags quickly became evident. Nesting tags is pretty cool, but you can't see the hierarchy when you select tags - which strikes me as a no-brainer that anyone nesting tags would want. It's like creating a directory structure on a computer but not being able to view it while you're working with it.
  12. Windows application, Tag Picker control: quick way to filter your notes down by tags: Click on tag picker (or Alt+Shift+T), start typing: you get a list of tags that match that contain that string (or have that prefix, if you want to configure it that way). Select one. Activate tag picker, you now have a list of tags that are used by the notes in the current tag filter (which contains the first tag you chose): select another one Activate tag picker; you now have a list of tags that used by the notes in the current tag filter (which contains the first two tags you chose): select another one Lather, rinse, repeat Not seeing tag picker and Alt-Shift-T has no effect. Windows isn't so much the problem anyway. It's choosing a tag, especially one that's nested in other apps.
  13. Way too specialized bit of functionality for most people; I would nevr use this, though I have tag trees, so it would need to be an option. Plus, how do you present these tags in a non-tree list -- with the common prefix? Without it? Existing alternative, Windows client: Tools / Options / Navigation: "Automatically select child tags". When enabled, if you add a tag with children to a search filter, then its children are also included, regardless of their names, so you don't need to do the repeat-the-tag-name-prefix rigamarole to do searches that reflect the tag tree. Even better would be to extend the search language to be able to allow for this type of filter when you want to use it, rather than depending on a user option. Seems to me that's where nested tags lead inevitably. But the only way to do it and have clear selections when you choose tags is to type the path in the name of the subtag.
  14. I would want to go to a main tag (say History) and see what nested tags are already available under it to be selected (e.g. WWI, WWII, Gulf). If you're nesting tags, that should be of interest before you choose a tag or create a new one.
  15. Ah but they've heard it already via incident reports. I keep getting referrals to this forum. Even so I'll try sticking one of my posts at that link..
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