They Call Me Broose

Worse case, instead of being blocked from sign-in on the EN Legacy client, I'd like to have continued access, even if sync doesn't work.  I'd maintain storage and backup of my own data.

It would drastically change the way I work with EN on multiple machines, but I'd do it, because the 6.x client is still the fastest and most efficient for my workflows.

I've understood for a long time that Legacy is going away, and appreciate that it's been around as long as it has, but don't lock us out of its use altogether by requiring the sign-in to open and access the content.  Or do to confirm a subscription, but at least make it an option to continue using the client, even without sync.

13 minutes ago, Boot17 said:

Obviously it's not a private conversation. I just wondered if you were the same person behind the two different accounts since you literally wrote "What I was referring to with that statement".. when it wasn't even the msg5 account that wrote that. Then try and pass it off as you just having the same thought. uh - ok.

Oh.  nah.  Full disclosure - the quote sounded like something I said - or just thought - and about halfway through writing I realized that wasn't my quote, but I thought the response still valid.

sorry dude, lol   

10 minutes ago, MvdH said:

I agree fully. I miss functionality. The UX/UI is a great many steps back from the ninja enabling workflows and speed of Evernote v6. I miss speed. With legacy I used it as a ninja.

I tried competitors. v10 is better than them. I gladly pay. However, as soon as Notion gets a few basic features and offline syncing, I might switch. If Evernote gets more speed, more usable/faster edit tags dialogue, Notion like Synced sections, I'll stay and pay another 10 years for Evernote.

B.t.w. viewing a nite only changes the changed date Once because it go converted to the v10 data format I believe. I've been with V10 for over a year now. It got better version by version, and don't see conversion caused changes to the modified date any more.

I give v10 a 65 percent score out of 100 for my usecases (PKM and GTD/TSW mixed). However, competitors do worse. So I'm happy to pay... For now... And the past 10 years...Also the new prices. 

Exactly.  Legacy's super fast and efficient.

Good info above.  I was wondering whether anyone's found anything comparable.  I've seen a few posts here and there over the years as others have commented on the various major hiccups we've experienced.  I made a list, but haven't explored anything else in earnest yet.  It's obvious now we're approaching the cutoff.  It's not a surprise, I've seen all the notifications and chose not to make the jump.  My reasons were proven valid in my exploration of v10 today.  They should announce a hard cutoff date, though.

I'll add Notion to the list to check out.  I don't want to leave EN, but v10's too big a sidestep/backstep to ignore now.  I think those like myself who become involved in these impassioned discussions here are hoping that someone sees there are enough of us saying, "Woah, no, wrong!"  Likely to make any difference?  No.

I'm not saying to take anything away from you v10ers who like it, but client/server's not that hard.  I don't know how it all works, but client/server/local database/sync changes shouldn't be that complicated.  I don't even need updates.  Is an updated Evernote desktop client any less susceptible to compromise?  Have there been any documented cases of compromise through a Legacy client? or has it all been weak credentials, social engineering, or lack of multifactor?

Here are the links to working Legacy versions for anyone here who still needs to stay on Legacy for now:

• EN 7.14.1 for macOS -- https://cdn1.evernote.com/mac-smd/public/EvernoteLegacy_RELEASE_7.14.1_458325.zip
• EN 6.25.3 for Windows - https://cdn1.evernote.com/win6/public/Evernote_6.25.3.9348.exe

@s2sailor - you mentioned V10 for macOS in one of your posts above, and how it's closest to Legacy.  I'd like to check that out.  I have a note where I captured a process for figuring out EN download URLs if one has the full version info, however, I've not been able to successfully determine a download path for a v10, let alone figure out which version of it is most stable and still closest to Legacy.  Would you happen to have any info here?  Right now I'm using the 7.14.1.

16 minutes ago, Boot17 said:

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I responded to @jpservices. Are you and @msg5 the same person?

I know you did, but I had the same thought and offered my take.  I didn't realize you were having a private conversation with @jpservices  My apologies.

9 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

Why should they invent new answers for everybody with the same question ?

You need to pick the features you need yourself - nobody will use them all, and everybody will use his own set. It’s not the role of support to tell why a certain feature would be good for your use case.

The thrill is to find out yourself - or come asking here.

I asked questions not addressed in an auto responder disguised in the voice of a real support staff person - remember them and how friendly and helpful they were?  The wording of that response effectively said, "We've responded to you re: your request for support, and this issue is closed.  But write back if you need to."

Who said anything about relying on support to consult on feature use case?

I don't need "thrills" - I need my organization tool to work the way EN ran it for years and years and years.  Resistant to change?  You bet, when one of my best tools is being [bad word].

2 hours ago, AlbertR said:

Did you check the logging window? Maybe it's only one note change that causes a sync to fail because you have it open in a EN10 client...
I'm running 6.25.3.9348 (309348) Public (CE Build ce-62.6.10954) on several WinPCs - no problem so far...

Albert - awesome, you rock.

6.25.3 still works on Windows.  Just downloaded and tested it on a Win11 machine that 6.25.1 failed to complete a sign-in after the sign-out test.

Further, confirmed that 6.25.3 still works after a sign-out and sign-in.

I enabled multi-factor authentication on my account a while back.  Everyone using Evernote should.

I need to find a 6.x solution for macOS...  If I can't, I'll have to run a VMware Fusion VM in Unity for Evernote access in a Windows VM.  I'm really going to miss the EN 6.x macOS client.  It had some really cool functionality in it, like keyboard shortcuts for custom colors and a bunch of other Apple-y environment benefits.

1 hour ago, Boot17 said:

Most of what you wrote is your opinion and everyone is entitled to their own of course. I don't find v10 near so dreadful as you, but the "listen to the many users (most of them paying customers)" is surely objectively false? The opposite is true by a wide margin -- most of Evernote users are freemium users -- I think like 90% or more? Though I expect that 90% number will start to drop with the free plan turning into basically a trial.

 

I've just spent the past hour testing V10.x on a spare Macbook.  It's *****.  A marked degeneration of a once great platform and client.

What do I find?  Aside from removed functionality I'm finding so far, poor layout structure, cludgy performance, and multiple steps now required for what used to be a toolbar item, I happen across a pretty significant data handling issue.  I view a note and it updates the modified date?  That's a problem.  And you wonder why people hang on to legacy?  This is why.

Who cares what the fremiums think.  I mean that with whatever respect due, but, I mean, seriously, what effect do they have on EN's success?  What right do they have to expect anything other than what EN develops if they are not at least contributing by subscribing to the service?

"surely objectively false?"  great phrase.  Impossible for any of us to prove, of course.

What I was referring to with that statement was based on what I saw in the community in a previous uprising back in 2018 over some business with a forced version upgrade to a version that was crashing constantly and had become unworkable.  I can be sure at this point, but it sure seemed like most of those contributing were long-active community members, and yes, I'm presuming, subscribers.  Their impassioned and insightful contributions would have been a bit much for a casual user.

I'm mad.  I'm frustrated.  I've sung EN's praises to everyone over the years.  I love EN.  But this development is wrong.  It's not even efficient.

By the way, the new features touted, like Calendar and Tasks?  I'm supposed to update my "Premium" account to a "Personal" one.  Huh?

Keyboard shortcuts >> I have to pay to create additional ones?  What?

EN 10 is a pos.  Barely more than a browser instance passed off as a desktop client.

Finally forced to update from legacy versions, and testing out v10.x on a Macbook this afternoon.  I was just spending a little time poking around and testing things out.  Immediately I find a few practical usability features missing, and then encounter this rather significant data management one.

Opening a note is not editing a note.  And people wonder why users stick with legacy...

22 hours ago, RadioPhil said:

I have 4 clients running on 4 PCs and I have tried them all. Only one is not syncing; it's the one in my office and the one I use EN most often on. All 4 have the same Legacy version: 6.25.1.9091 (309091). One of the 3 that are still syncing is Windows 11, all the others are Windows 10. I don't see any difference that explains why only 1 of 4 has stopped syncing.

Wondering whether this may have something to do with a Windows security setting patch.  My issue on the Win10 machine may have begun after completing Windows patching.  I was working on a bunch of machines and tasks this week, and don't recall order of ops/observation. 

I'm going to check a few other things to see if I can figure out when it began, and whether I had any system changes.

I just logged onto a Win11 machine I haven't used in a while.  EN 6.25.1 is working there.  I haven't tested sign out and back in yet, though.

This is the first response message I received.  Exciting new features:

"Improved performance and reliability".  It worked fine the way it was.  Web, btw, has always sucked, and isn't any better, I see.  These other features I couldn't care less about.

I have a calendar.

I have the ability to share notebooks to work with others if I want.  "Enhanced" collaboration should be part of a business suite of tools/options.

I make my own checklists for tasks, and while I don't bother with them, I have/had? "reminders".

I don't use any of this stuff.

Everyone's doing this.  I can't be the only one on the planet who thinks that products or services reach a pinnacle, and no longer require "further development".  Just leave it alone.  All the good stuff gets wrecked or discontinued.  The abysmal UIs of streaming devices is another one of these things that's gone 7 miles down the wrong road.

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Thank you for reaching out to us. 
 
While some legacy versions of Evernote are still available to use, we are planning to discontinue these older versions in the near future. For improved performance and reliability, we highly recommend updating to the latest version of Evernote, which will also allow you to access a wide range of exciting new features, such as:

• AI Note Cleanup
• Collaborative Editing
• Calendar
• Tasks

Keep in mind that there will be no updates, bug fixes, or technical support for older versions of Evernote. If you are having trouble with an older version of Evernote, please update to the latest version to resolve the issue.
 
Should you have any further questions, we'll be happy to help. 

1 minute ago, RadioPhil said:

Evernote/Bending Spoons must hate its Legacy version hangers-on (me among them). They are being quite unfriendly about it.

1. They could have given us the date they plan to deactivate Legacy in advance. I don't like surprises, especially when they're bad surprises. << YES.

2. I tried to log out and log back in. The error message says "Can't connect to server. Please try again later." I suspect this is a lie; there will be no later.

3. But... I have several clients on several PCs. I have tried two of them so far. I'm surprised to find that the Legacy EN client on one PC is still syncing and otherwise behaving just fine. I spent a few minutes duplicating the small changes I made on the non-syncing PC client and syncing. Is this just a way to add some confusion, and to get me to waste some time? Is this the end of Legacy, or isn't it?

I noticed the same, re: #1.  I just sent in a support request to see if I could get some more information, especially since the failure is inconsistent.  I did receive a quick response, however, it was form-letter-y, tone unlike earlier EN support I'm used to in the very few times I've actually had need for assistance over the years.  I, also, do not like bad surprises, like having my long-term workflow/organization tool disrupted.

I was directed to update to the latest version(s) to resolve the issue.  I have reasons for not doing so.

I've responded politely requesting specific information on what's going on.  I'd like to know what's not working or no longer supported.  (IT minds wanna know.)

Can you provide any detail on the Legacy EN you're running that is syncing?  Oddly, I still have one instance running on a deeply rooted legacy machine, and it works on that one, but not in a newer OS.

That's weird, my 6.25.1.9091 still works on one of my Windows machines, however, all logins were forcibly signed out yesterday it seemed, including the aforementioned.

My Windows laptop would not sync at all yesterday, and I thought it may have been a temporary outage, but yeah, also wondered whether they'd cut the cord on me.  Then noticed that the home machine was signed out when I got home last night.

I'm here posting because my EN 6.9.2 running on an older Macbook was also signed out when I came into it this morning.

Still poking around to see what's up.  If there've been any announcements, I've not easily found them in initial searches, admittedly loose attempts.

58 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

No, we are users and can only see what you see.

Since EN started to put that red banner on legacy warning about the end of the service, I wouldn‘t expect it to live for much longer now.

I expect that the target date will finally be announced. What we had these days was a server problem, not an intentional action.

Yeah, I know we're all users, here, sure.  I've been around a while.  Was just wondering whether anyone had any specific info instead of generalization.

How do you guys keep up with goings-on?  The blog?  Like this issue being the result of an outage last week, which support documented on the blog back on 10/5.  I wasn't aware of the blog for announcements - looks like a good resource.

Final response from EN Support re: my ticket

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The issue you have been experiencing was a consequence of the outage that happened last week. You can read more about it in our recent blog post: Update: October 4 outage, a big migration, and a better infrastructure.

I would also like to assure you that Evernote Legacy clients will continue working as usual for the time being. That said, we strongly recommend updating to the latest version because we will not release security patches and new features and won't fix any bugs or incompatibility with future OS versions.

2 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

Syncing between legacy clients and the server will stop soon now. Even when it is working again, it’s nothing you can build on.

Do you have any idea when this is set to occur?

Heard back from support on my request from yesterday afternoon - love those guys, so fast

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Our team spotted an issue affecting Evernote Legacy versions and has since then managed to solve it. Please, let us know if you are still experiencing some issues syncing your Evernote account.

Issue resolved for now.  I've requested some information, if available, on drop-dead dates for legacy versions, etc.  I've been away for a while, so if anyone here knows that this info has been posted/shared somewhere and has link available, much appreciated.

Alright, well, here's something strange - my 6.25 on an unsupported OS is syncing this morning.

Only differences between yesterday and this morning are a reboot (sorry, I know better and should have EN'd, but I don't recall if I tried this before, yesterday; believe I did), and local login this AM.

Will continue to watch log.  More just a curiosity at this point.  I'll check out newer versions in a VM somewhere before I make the jump on other systems.

Personally, I find major UI changes to be disruptive to workflows, especially when they move from a tight, cohesive, expanded info view to overly simplified UIs with cartoonishly large and sparse content display, requiring a lot of sluggish back and forth.  An example of this would be going from the desktop client to a web UI.

Again, been a while, so I need to catch up on the EN world and see how things are going.  Under a rock for the past 5 years?  Absolutely, but what I've been using works great, and I like it the way it is.  As an IT pro, I do understand things need to evolve, but those drivers should be things like security, features and usability.  Changes should be calculated and measured for purpose and impact, not just changed just to make it look like there's development value.  I'm all for it, but don't #$%* with the UI unless you're making a legacy option available.  Just a humble opinion from the field, granted a hugely presumptive one, though based on prior experiences with EN version checks.  Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised. </coffeedrivensreamoffconsciousness>

Missed hangin' out around here!

User of older EN here, 6.25.1, and sheepishly admit that I do have one straggly Win7 machine still kicking around.  That machine no longer syncs at all, and has not since what looks like around 9/28/2023, so I can confirm that, as well.

Been a pro subscriber since 2011, or something like that, and just sent a message to support for some more information, more just out of curiosity.  From the log, it's a string of HTTP errors.  Some obvious limitation.

hh:mm:ss [ERROR  ] [29212] [4832] * Can't send HTTP request, error: INTERNET_CANNOT_CONNECT

There are other specifics in the log regarding some specific content that cannot sync, and those are HTTPS URLs.

I'm also seeing a red banner now on 6.25.1 versions on newer OSes.

I knew I wasn't going to be able to ride 6.25 forever.  I guess it's time to see what the new versions of EN look like.  Not looking forward to this.  I have a feeling I'm not going to enjoy the differences since finally getting settled after the traumatic experience of the Helsinki Fiasco of August 2018, and we all remember how that went.

https://discussion.evernote.com/forums/topic/115383-evernote-for-windows-update-required/

I just hope it doesn't look like a website built for toddlers.

On 1/2/2022 at 1:37 PM, agsteele said:

The so called Legacy (v6.25.2) is the same as v6.25.1 with the exception that the desktop/tray icons have a grey background.

If you install v10 at home it will disable v6.25.1 but you can then reinstall whichever v6.25 you want and nothing will be lost.

If you have any data in v6.25.1 in a local folder you should ensure you have a backup so that it isn't lost.

 

Excellent info @agsteele; I was just setting up a new install of Win11 on my trusty old Latitude, and I'd installed the latest 6.25.x - that gray legacy icon tends to camouflage itself.

I was looking for the last version before it went "legacy" and your tidbit here gave me the starting point.  I have some previous download links in one of my notes from troubleshooting back in August 2018 when that forced upgrade situation caused some users to wind up in wonky versions (turns out some of that was resolved with a complete R&R, but there were still quite a few changes requiring some adjustment.

Overall I can't complain about that; glad to still have access to good old v6.x.  It's been a true workhorse for years.  I'm all for change for improved functionality, but as far as change for the sake of change - Keep it.  Too much push for Agile just to say there's progress. 

Long Live EN 6.x !!!

Thanks, I'll consider updating.

Evernote Windows 6.7.6.7584

Just noticed while pasting text copied out of a text document, that Evernote seems to be adding a semicolon.  Tried searching the forum, but didn't see anything.  I've been sitting tight on 6.7.6 for a while, so possibly been addressed, but don't want to update if I don't have to.

SOURCE TEXT

<outline URL="http://address.com/proxy/x1mp33?mp=/stream" icon="html/images/filename1.png" text="NAME1 (mp3)" type="audio" />
<outline URL="http://address.com" icon="html/images/name1.png" text="NAME1 (aac)" type="audio" />
<outline URL="http://address.com/proxy/x2mp33?mp=/stream" icon="html/images/filename2.png" text="NAME2 (mp3)" type="audio" />
<outline URL="http://address.com" icon="html/images/name2.png" text="NAME2 (aac)" type="audio" />

When I paste the above text into Evernote, I ended up with the note text shown below.  Note the semicolons in red.  I don't like the idea of something added in on copy/paste operations.  Anyone else seen this, and has it been addressed in later releases?

PASTED RESULT w/semicolon automatically added (I've highlighted them in red)
 

Experimenting with going back to the OE Samsung launcher (without removing Nova) did not make a difference.  I did restart in between tests.

(Edited above list of apps to include a few more)
Disabling the other applications listed above using Package Disabler Pro (with device restart after disabling) did not fix the issue, either.  Disabling with Package Disabler Pro makes these applications inaccessible.  They disappear from the Apps list, and cannot be called up for "share via" purposes, either.

Which devices are you guys using?
I'm having this problem across two different Android devices, a Galaxy S7 and Google Nexus 2013 tablet.

Also disabled the Data Saver option in Chrome, just to see.  No difference.
Again, this issue does persist across three different browsers.

If there is not an issue with the Clipper itself, I feel like there's some permission hangup or something messing up the screen capture operation.  Again, it does capture and attach a file that can be viewed as an image after renaming the extension, but whatever reason, it's adding the funky extension.

Hey Max - just heard back from Evernote, and we're going through the initial troubleshooting.

I'm wondering whether this may be security-application related, or some other setting that's preventing pulling a screenshot.
Are you using any security application or third party screen capture utilities, by chance?

Here are the ones that come to mind that I have installed across two affected devices.  Any of these look familiar to you?

• All-In-One Toolbox
• Avast Mobile Security
• Annotate
• Easy Copy
• Nova Launcher
• Universal Copy
• Screen Master

Hey Max thanks for chiming in confirming there are others!
I haven't been on in a while.  I was wondering whether it was just me experiencing this problem.

Revisiting this now, and have just opened a ticket with Evernote Support.  Hope to get this sorted out easily.

This problem persists for me now, even with browser versions current as of this post, as well newer versions of Evernote for Android.