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  1. I am still running into this problem. No way to override a note when the other party opens it and you need to have control over the note... so frustrating. I get that you need to lock one party out to prevent synching issues, as it was once explained to me, but for pete's sake... gives us a way to take back control over the note! An override feature... Users have to have the ability to hand control of the note back and forth to each other! Its been a problem for about two years I think, and still they do nothing about it. ... are they even reading this forum? And... There seems to be no pattern or rhyme/reason as to why... some of my students ( share notebooks with my students ), are being locked out and some are not. ALL of them show that they are sharing with me and that they DO have "edit" rights. It is NOT an issue related to user role settings. If that were the case we wouldn't even be making posts on this forum. I think we all understand that issue. I would say about 1/4 of my students are locked out, when their user roles are set to "edit" and the system shows they are sharing. EVERNOTE, WHAT IS GOING ON? PLEASE PROVIDE AT LEAST... A TROUBLESHOOT PROCEDURE THAT WORKS.
  2. To share the same note, right click more sharing Copy public link
  3. If I understand you correctly... Go to "notebooks". Right click for drop down menu. Select "add to folder" Select the master folder you want to add that folder to. You can only create two tiers of folders.
  4. The last version that really worked great for me with no problems was the version immediately before they introduced the pointless chat system. It was a big release. Maybe it was the last 5.x version? I think it was about 1.5 or 2 years ago. It has steadily become more and more confusing and ridiculous since then.
  5. Ok, well... I'm running a business and have other things to concern myself with. When I am prompted to update an application, I do so. As will most people. Again, to make the argument that we should all not update Evernote when it has new updates to offer, when we are all hoping that maybe, just maybe, problems will be fixed, is a ridiculous argument. Please, stop.
  6. That is not the issue... that people are not comfortable with change. I have spent 25 years in IT industry. I know technology and SaaS applications and on and on. I run and operate over 12 SaaS based systems to operate three businesses. So if you think you are debating with someone that is a techless old geezer that is frustrated with "change", your wrong. That isn't me. Who does that? Who wants to have to do that? Does anyone knowingly NOT update their applications when prompted to? "... If you don't like the new updates, after you have already installed them, you can always go back to a previous version before the product had problems". Seriously? How about,... "... we will take your feedback and look into improving these issues". EXACTLY the problem with Evernote. BTW... it isn't a total disaster. Sometimes it works and when it does, its great. When I use it for my personal needs, it is fine. The steady decay of usability and increase in nonsense features has been toward collaboration. - The chat system is pointless. Nobody wanted it, nobody uses it and for pete's sake, stop using a chat system as the interface to accept invitations to share a folder. Apart from the fact that the chat system is NOT intuitive what so ever. It is a rubics cube trying to figure out where to find it, how to use it, you get a notification that you received a chat, yet... where do you go to see it? When you see something that sort of looks like an invitation to share a folder in the chat system, what you do with that invitation is TOTALLY confusing and not clear. There is no need for a chat system. People have texting, skype, zoom, FB, and on and on. Let alone, making it the primary interface to receive and accept invitations to share folders. It makes no sense. - When people collaborate on a note in real-time, I understand that you need to lock one person out to prevent synching conflicts, fine. But the problem is, you have provided absolutely NO means to unlock, disable, take back control of the note!? So the only way to get control over the note is to ask the person that has control over the note to turn the application totally off. Hello? - The new iPad UI seems like it is designed to hide the icons and features, not present them to you in a way that is intuitive and obvious. I have been using the iPad version for 5 years. With the latest update me and my students sit there and struggle with simple needs like, how do you find the tree of folders? You can sort for notes, in a wonky way, but apparently you can't sort for folders in any way. I used to be able to go to a folder tree and grab a folder. Now, since that tree on the right column is gone, I have to manually type in the name of the folder to get it to appear and when I do, half the time it doesn't appear. The system sort of stares back and me and doesn't blink. It is like it is lifeless now on iPad. So you put in the same command, over and over again. At some point you sort of... find what you're looking for by clicking on tags, apparently, not quite sure what they are... in a query for the folder. On top of all that, where is the refresh icon on the new iPad interface? There is absolutely no apparent refresh icon anywhere. I saw this morning that if you push the little man icon a sort of, account settings interface comes up and inside that interface is a link that says "synchronize". Is that it? To synchronize on the new iPad UI, you have to manually go inside of your account settings page? Why is there not simply the old synch. icon at the top of the page like there used to be. Like there SHOULD be. It is like a blank page with no icons, no menu trees, no synch. button, no apparent way to find the folders that is easy and on and on. It just sucks. Who is in charge of signing off on these changes? Does this person actually use their own product? Because if they did, I honestly can't imagine that they would agree to it. That is the madness of what Evernote increasingly has become. When not only me, but my students who have also been using EN for years begin to throw their hands up in the air with me,... it isn't a matter of me being adverse to "change". I am talking about an experienced group of 100 EN users starting to call your app. "evernot". IT IS OVER ENGINEERED. Evernote is the world's most famous case study of what can happen when a great product becomes over engineered. They should study this in MBA courses on what NOT to do. .... And don't even get me started on the tote bags, coffee cups and mouse pads you guys were trying to sell to your customers. What the heck is that? When you should be tending to the above mentioned problems, your product and your customers, you're sending out newsletters to try to sell us green gym bags, mouse pads and pens. I rest my case.
  7. Evernote is the world's best case study on how a company that had everything, because they developed a great product ... then utterly destroyed it and the company with pointless and stupid updates that introduced ***** that nobody wanted and ruined everything die hard fans did want. Does anyone actually use the stupid chat feature? No ! why after a year and a half is it still a mystery as to how to successfully share a folder?! Sometimes it works , sometimes it doesn't , always it has something g to do with the chat system that... nobody uses, isn't intuitive anyways and more. If it wasn't a tragic loss to customers it would be a joke. the collaboration application that... doesn't allow you to collaborate on a note in real time, with no feature to switch control over a note. My students have to literally turn the application off so I can get control over a note when collaborating!!?? A recent update makes its use on an iPad nearly impossible. The UI makes it impossible to figure out how to find notes and folders, let alone create them. Seriously, a UI update that makes it a mystery on how to create and find a note. My students now call it, "evernot", and "everwont". And the list goes on... And nobody at the company seems to care. These blaring problems aren't fixed. im totally giving up and I was their biggest fan. its not a Mac only issue. It just sucks on any device , any platform.
  8. No. I never received any response. So currently the only solution to get control over the note again, when you are sharing / collaborating on a note, is to ask the person that has control over the note to completely turn the application off. They have to shut the application off. Then the system will release their control over the note. That person then has to restart the application. I understand that they don't want synching errors by having both people in the note at the same time. It was explained to me that this is the reason for this feature. What makes no sense what so ever and I find it egregiously careless about their customers needs is... there is absolutely NO way to release, disable, switch, toggle control back to the other person. You get locked out and thats it. No way to fix the situation. It is the biggest technical oversight I have ever seen with Evernote ... and this has been going on now for about 2 years. They still have done nothing about it.
  9. Frankly, it is baffling as to why Evernote has not built in a "date / time stamp" feature on the editor... ? Pretty ridiculous... I love evernote and use it every day, but there are a few features that are either completely ridiculous and not helpful... or completely baffling as to why they don't have it...
  10. Can anyone , including someone from Evernote... simply tell me how to unlock a shared note? Since the recent big update... if you are sharing a note in near real-time with someone else, ( I am a voice teacher and I give skype lessons to students and we share student folders with notes in it... )... the new update locks you out of the note, rendering it impossible to make any changes in the note... they said they did this to prevent the synching conflicts, but.... that wasn't nearly as bad as the new problem this created... now I can't share a note with my student in real-time?! Well, that would be digestible if they had provided a way to unlock or override that feature... but apparently they have not. Is this true? Is it actually true that they created a "lockout" feature when two people are sharing a note, that renders the note disabled for one of the users... and didn't provide a means to unlock the note or an override or a disable check box in the preferences? You got to be kidding me?! So far, the only way I can get access to my students note is for my student to completely close evernote and relaunch... Does anyone know how you unlock a note after you have been locked out? C'mon Evernote ... creating a "lock out a user" feature when sharing a note in real-time is one thing... but then to not provide any way to override that feature is just a huge oversize and mistake. Lock your customers out of the ability to use your product, and don't provide any easy way to unlock the note... ? Because.... you presumed that out of MILLIONS of users, nobody is going to share a note in real-time?... You have got to be kidding me?! And Ill add... I am a "Pro" customer too... Im paying for a monthly service here?! What really is the solution here, anyone know?
  11. Can anyone , including someone from Evernote... simply tell me how to unlock a shared note? Since the recent big update... if you are sharing a note in near real-time with someone else, ( I am a voice teacher and I give skype lessons to students and we share student folders with notes in it... )... the new update locks you out of the note, rendering it impossible to make any changes in the note... they said they did this to prevent the synching conflicts, but.... that wasn't nearly as bad as the new problem this created... now I can't share a note with my student in real-time?! Well, that would be digestible if they had provided a way to unlock or override that feature... but apparently they have not. Is this true? Is it actually true that they created a "lockout" feature when two people are sharing a note, that renders the note disabled for one of the users... and didn't provide a means to unlock the note or an override or a disable check box in the preferences? You got to be kidding me?! So far, the only way I can get access to my students note is for my student to completely close evernote and relaunch... Does anyone know how you unlock a note after you have been locked out? C'mon Evernote ... creating a "lock out a user" feature when sharing a note in real-time is one thing... but then to not provide any way to override that feature is just a huge oversize and mistake. Lock your customers out of the ability to use your product, and don't provide any easy way to unlock the note... ? Because.... you presumed that out of MILLIONS of users, nobody is going to share a note in real-time?... You have got to be kidding me?! And Ill add... I am a "Pro" customer too... Im paying for a monthly service here?! What really is the solution here, anyone know?
  12. I TOTALLY AGREE... THIS IS THE WORST UPGRADE I HAVE EVER SEEN IN ANY TECHNOLOGY I HAVE USED FOR 20 YEARS... I was Evernotes biggest advocate... I absolutely adored them... now they just really let me down... there are problems all over the place with this recent upgrade... here is some things I discovered that are hurting my business and work flow now... 1). You used to be able to have real-time collaboration... meaning two people could be on the note at the same time in conference and working inside the note.. but now.. they have this pain in the ass "Note Lock" feature that locks you out of the note!! Thats right, in case you thought I was stuttering... if you are sharing a note at the same time with someone else... you automatically get locked out of the note... the makes it impossible to work inside the note... no cursor, nothing... just freezes on you. AND... there is no way to disable the "lock"... the only way you can regain editing control is to tell the other party to close the note and reopen it... lame. 2). There is no way to copy the notebook URL to simply paste it into a browser... if you right click on a notebook and choose "modify sharing"... and then copy the URL... it doesn't copy.. it fails to paste. Watch this screen capture: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11616972/No%20Way%20to%20copy%20a%20notebook%20URL.mp4 3). I have had other strange issues as well... like everything suddenly getting centered in the note... and when scrolling a large note, it lags... and drags... it used to be fast. Its really infuriating that they had the best damn product in the world and then went out and let their engineers "tinker" with ideas they though there "cool".. .that nobody needed and killed the capabilities that their customers relied on. A HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT...
  13. Agreed, the new web UI totally sucks... is confusing and pointless.. on top of that... every since their big update... 1). You used to be able to have real-time collaboration... meaning two people could be on the note at the same time in conference and working inside the note.. but now.. they have this pain in the ass "Note Lock" feature that locks you out of the note!! Thats right, in case you thought I was stuttering... if you are sharing a note at the same time with someone else... you automatically get locked out of the note... the makes it impossible to work inside the note... no cursor, nothing... just freezes on you. AND... there is no way to disable the "lock"... the only way you can regain editing control is to tell the other party to close the note and reopen it... lame. 2). There is no way to copy the notebook URL to simply paste it into a browser... if you right click on a notebook and choose "modify sharing"... and then copy the URL... it doesn't copy.. it fails to paste. Watch this screen capture: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11616972/No%20Way%20to%20copy%20a%20notebook%20URL.mp4 3). I have had other strange issues as well... like everything suddenly getting centered in the note... and when scrolling a large note, it lags... and drags... it used to be fast. Its really infuriating that they had the best damn product in the world and then went out and let their engineers "tinker" with ideas they though there "cool".. .that nobody needed and killed the capabilities that their customers relied on. A HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT...
  14. I totally agree with you... the big update they did last year ruined a lot of things... it used to be the best damn application I had. I was their biggest advocate, seriously! Now... the developed a bunch of features you don't need and disabled a bunch of things you do need... it has half the value it used to have.. .and it frick'n pisses me off. 1). You used to be able to have real-time collaboration... meaning two people could be on the note at the same time in conference and working inside the note.. but now.. they have this pain in the ass "Note Lock" feature that locks you out of the note!! Thats right, in case you thought I was stuttering... if you are sharing a note at the same time with someone else... you automatically get locked out of the note... the makes it impossible to work inside the note... no cursor, nothing... just freezes on you. AND... there is no way to disable the "lock"... the only way you can regain editing control is to tell the other party to close the note and reopen it... lame. 2). There is no way to copy the notebook URL to simply paste it into a browser... if you right click on a notebook and choose "modify sharing"... and then copy the URL... it doesn't copy.. it fails to paste. Watch this screen capture: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11616972/No%20Way%20to%20copy%20a%20notebook%20URL.mp4 3). I have had other strange issues as well... like everything suddenly getting centered in the note... and when scrolling a large note, it lags... and drags... it used to be fast. Its really infuriating that they had the best damn product in the world and then went out and let their engineers "tinker" with ideas they though there "cool".. .that nobody needed and killed the capabilities that their customers relied on. A HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT...
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