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23 minutes ago, DTLow said:
>>how do I safeguard my data
I backup my data using the export feature
I use html format in daily incremental and weekly full exportsThe export feature now requires you to highlight individual records. And maxes out at 50.
At least in Windows.
Evernote is trying to prevent people from switching. NEVER a good sign when a company tries locking in users.
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OK, I just installed the new version of Evernote, only to find that all my records now appear to exist ONLY in the cloud.
And that worries the HELL out of me since Evernote appears to be in a constant state of financial difficulty.
Is it possible to roll back to a prior version, and, probably more critical, how do I safeguard my data so that when Evernote goes belly-up on a random Monday morning, I can import my data into another application?
Thanks in Advance
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9 hours ago, PinkElephant said:
To nest notebooks EN would have to completely rewrite the code: apps, servers, everything.
I'd love to see your references for that.
If you can't supply any, that means you simply made it up.
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1 hour ago, DTLow said:
A rose by any other name would smell as sweet
Back to the subject of folders. notebooks/tags are superior (imho)
That is a lot like saying a screwdriver is superior to a hammer...
And shows you lack the ability to see that you are not the entirety of creation.
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9 hours ago, DTLow said:
Agreed - Stacks were a bandaid solution to organizing notebooks
>>Nesting folders/notebooks is where one folder/notebook goes inside of another
Evernote's implementation of notebook nesting would be parent/child hierarchy
Each notebook record would include a parent-notebook field
(based on the implementation for Tag hierarchy)I think part of the problem is the Evernote Powers That Be (EPTB hereafter) don't want to admit that their system is not superior in ALL circumstances. If they implement truly nested notebooks, they would be tacitly admitting that, no, they were NOT right all along about tags being superior, and all the users that wanted nested notebooks were not WRONG all the time.
That is the kind of mea culpa that this company seems incapable of doing.
The saddest part is that if they simply implemented this--and as you pointed it it would take nothing more than adding a single field to a notebook record denoting WHICH notebook was its parent. The notebooks fall into line, and you don't even need each record to have anything modified. As long as each notebook has its own INTERNAL unique name and a lookup table for matching with internal name goes with each user notebook (already being done), the records ALL wind up in their proper notebook and the notebooks all wind up in the proper place in the hierarchy.
This kind of hierarchy has been in software since I was using Pocket Filer 128 back in 1988. And yes, tags can be a far superior way to organize AND retrieve data in many situations. But that is a little bit like a fresnel lens is a superior way to starting a fire over rubbing sticks together--I mean, I've seen people melt lead using only a fresnel lens and sunlight. But when it is nighttime and rain is falling, you better have knowledge on how those sticks work and get to rubbing*.
*Twisting actually, but you get the idea.
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On 9/17/2020 at 10:37 PM, SteveJazz said:
It seems like this has been a passionate debate on these forums for a long time. I think it is fair to say that for those of us that like a hierarchical structure and the concept of actual filing notes, tags are not a substitute for nested notebooks (or folders). Tags are helpful in other ways, and they can approximate the functionality of nested notebooks, but they aren’t the same. I’m not sure it really is a debate...Tags won’t work for me (if they do for others, that’s wonderful).
Unfortunately, having that functionality is critical to me. I got excited when I learned that Evernote was doing a major revamp and had hopes that nested notebooks would be enabled. Frankly, even one more level would be enough to enable my workflow. Sadly, this major revamp doesn’t have that functionality. That’s fine...Evernote has a philosophy and it is sticking to it. I have a need, and I will fulfill it by using Apple Notes (which, although lacking in other features, has enable nested notebooks/folders) or OneNote.
The Evernote True Believers--at least many of them--will scream until the day they die that you are simply being ignorant.
They don't understand that there is more than THEIR way of organizing data.
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On 9/17/2020 at 10:20 PM, DTLow said:
I only listed the one fact (Notebooks and Tags are fields in the Note metadata)
As to nesting
- Notebooks can be nested to one level using Stacks
- Tags can be nested to unlimited levels using the parent/child hierarchyAlso, unlike folders - Notebook and Tag names can not be duplicated; each name must be unique
Putting two different notebooks/folders inside the same "stack" is not nesting. That is as much "nesting" as saying that because 2 folders both go in the same file cabinet they are "nested" in the file cabinet.
Nesting folders/notebooks is where one folder/notebook goes inside of another. Just because you drop two folders into the same linoleum floor does not mean they are "nested".
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2 hours ago, DTLow said:
Fact: Notebooks and Tags are fields in the Note metadata
Some users emulate folders using the notebook/tag trees
On my Mac, notes are stored in OS folder
(/Users/DTLow/Library/Group Containers/Q79WDW8YH9.com.evernote.Evernote/
CoreNote/accounts/www.evernote.com/1156250/content)
with a separate OS folder for each noteThe metadata is stored in a separate SQLite database
Just because you define a dog as a cat doesn't make it able to climb trees.
The notebooks in Evernote ARE the same as folders in every storage system out there EXCEPT that Evernote won't let you place a notebook/folder/directory into another notebook/folder/directory. That would be a lot like me releasing a spreadsheet program that did everything EXCEPT there was no ability to divide in the formulas, and so I called it not a spreadsheet, but a Megasheet Program, and said the lack of a division function was a feature, so people would construct their formulas more productively without using the foolish dividing function.
I mean, come on! You can just multiply by a fraction if you want to divide, so I don't see what the big deal is that the Megasheet program doesn't have a division function!
It would still be a spreadsheet, just it would be a BROKEN spreadsheet.
The core of your argument is Evernote Notebooks are not folders because you cannot nest them. Yeah--and that is the core argument for why the notebooks in Evernote are broken--because they are folders that have intentionally been devoid of a nesting ability.
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2 hours ago, DTLow said:
The discussion subject is "Nested Folders"
Nested Notebooks is another subject; there's an ongoing discussion hereEvernote has no support for Folders and no support for Nested Notebooks
Are you REALLY trying to tell me that you don't think the Notebooks in Evernote and the Folders in every OS and information storage system (including filing cabinets) in the world are different???
You open them BOTH up, and STORE things in them in an attempt to keep your pieces of data organized...
End of lesson.
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22 hours ago, SteveJazz said:
I don’t see enhanced functionality for having multiple levels of nested folders. Is this coming, or is this an enhancement that Evernote doesn’t see as necessary? I did see in the release notes that there is support for nested tags, but when I experimented with it, I concluded that you can only have two levels (which is no better than Stacks/Notebooks). This is the SINGLE feature that has caused me to use OneNote or Apple Notes. Thanks.
HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!
Nested folders/notebooks has been the #1 recurring Evernote feature request since the day it went Beta. Evernote will NEVER have nested notebooks.
Never.
Think of Evernote as the battle hardened officer in the "baseball bat" scene of Inglorious *****. You, on the other hand, are Lt. Raine. Nested notebooks are your request to have the other German positions pointed out on a map.
They would rather DIE than put nested notebooks into Evernote.
They have spent 18 months totally rewriting and recoding Evernote so that all versions on all platforms operate identically--even though that has meant that features have been REMOVED.
Yes, that is correct--their response to a problem that did not exist ("Our Windows and Apple platform releases use slightly different menus and hotkeys--OHMYGODNO!!!!") was to spend a full 18 months of development time acting like Procrustes and trim all versions down to the lowest common denominator.
Nested notbooks?
That is a GOOD one!
They don't care what you want. They don't care what ANYONE wants. What they care about is you learn to do things their way or you can go elsewhere.
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Is there any way to automate Evernote with triggers? For example if I click the "Sample Sent" tag, a reminder is placed for (preferably one person) to do a follow up in 3 days?
Anything like that?
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3 hours ago, DTLow said:
I made no such statement, and have no belief or knowledge of Evernote, bankruptcy, and attorneys. I suspect none of this is based on any facts
For the FIFTH time, what is it that makes you think we will have advance notice???
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3 hours ago, MarcSant said:
Well, for the last 5 days I'm testing the process to import the Evernote notes into Microsoft OneNote. For those that are interested in discover the process, I will list the positive and negative points, that I discovered among this time:
Pros:
- The OneNote importer works only with the Evernote Win32 version: the Metro version is not supported.
- In case of Metro Version is not available you can export the notes and import them, as the same Way.
- Notes format are almost the same as Evernote Original
Cons:
- OneNote Sync Mechanism are VERY slow compared to Evernote: even with an fast and reliable internet connection the sync process to just one Notebook could take a lot of time to sync to the device.
- Sometimes OneNote just stop to try sync the note and you'll need to start over again, sometimes 2, 3 times depending on the Notebook size
- There is no oficial tool that allow you to export notes from OneNote
- There is no tag system like Evernote: Tags are on very preliminar version
- You can't sort notes inside the notebook like you do in Evernote: you can just drag them to the position that you want to. If you use an outdated OneNote version, you can install a third-party tool that make this, but these outdated versions will not receive any improvement from Microsoft since they are treated as "depreciated" products.
- Mobile OneNote version has the same poor sync speed.
So, I'm keeping the Evernote and not shifting anymore to OneNote, so, my hope is in Evernote 7.0 version
OneNote is horrible!
I looked at it for 5 minutes and realized it was to Evernote what Notepad is to Word.
Having said that, Notion does have my interest. Its web clipper SUCKS compared to Evernote, but it does everything else as good, or better, than Evernote. Right now I am working on a massive home remodeling project, and thus don't have much desire to play with migrating over. And, the problem isn't that the migration is difficult--Notion makes it dirt simple. The problem is than Notion is to Evernote as Word is to Notepad--Notion does a lot of things and has a lot of options for how to set up and "type" each individual folder. That means I want to study it and think a bit before I pull the trigger.
By analogy, Notion will copy my floor-plan I currently have over to the new location, but it will also allow me to radically change the floor-plan to include sunken indoor swimming pools, elevators, automated kitchens, etc, etc... Truth be told, I might not need, or have use for, a lot of its features, but I'd like to dig a bit before I take the plunge.
However, having said that, the solution I will leaning towards is to use Evernote's web clipper to pull in web pages, and then import then over to Notion for hierarchical storage and retrieval.
Should Notion get a good web clipper, or Evernote get nested folders, that equation changes.
Oh, for how bad the Notion web clipper is--it sucks as hard as OneNote's. It is simply not usable.
Yet.
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6 hours ago, friz said:
If you are not enjoying a note-taking app, you can change to a different one.
True, but irrelevant to the conversation at hand. Unlike a television show, which is idle entertainment consumption, a records database* requires you to pretty much commit to it because time spent working on one precludes you form working on the other. Since entertainment is designed to fill empty time, you can watch multiple shows. However, with work, there are usually a limited amount of hours per week one can spend on such, and thus opting into one product often precludes you form working on another. Thus, it is valuable to investigate the competing products and learn what you can about them, and this includes back and forth debate by various users.
I will grant you that said debate over the merits and failings of a product really upset the fanboys, but that is their problem.
*Calling Evernote a "note taking app" is accurate, technically. However, it is a little like calling Word a "keystroke recorder". Evernote is more than you just jotting down your notes--it is also a way of recording and organizing a vast amount of information created by other people. Indeed, the vast majority of my records are not notes at all, since I did not write anything into them.
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6 hours ago, dbvirago said:
I think if you ask him a fifth time, he will finally succumb to your superior debate skills and give you what you seek.
OTH, he may not give a $#!+
OH! I am SHOCKED you have such a poor opinion of him! He made a statement, and I am certain he has a totally justifiable basis for his belief that Evernote will slice its own throat by ignoring the advice of its bankruptcy attorneys and will give us all advance warning it will file for Bankruptcy.
Surely you don't believe he made that statement from the gut and without factual basis!
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42 minutes ago, Metrodon said:
A troll who loves facts and can't help telling everyone else all of them all of the time, just what we all really wanted.
Shouldn't you be off researching some DR and nested folder thing so the rest of us can go back to some semblance of useful conversation?
I never thought I would see the day when people openly argued that facts were a bad thing and hating them is a good thing....
Oh, BTW: You are free to engage in whatever conversation you wish. You have chosen to engage in this one.
Worse, instead of engaging in the conversation in this thread about archiving, migrating, and porting, you have decided to jump into a side-conversation you claim to hate, and participate in it without adding anything constructive.
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6 hours ago, Metrodon said:
Shall we see if we can get this thread locked? It's become incredibly dumb and repetitive.
As my old granny used to say "if you haven't got anything useful to say, then **** off away wit ya, ya useless $*** **** *****".
Fact: If you are not enjoying a TV show, you can change the channel.
Fact: The majority of posts in here are dealing with the nuances of archiving, restoring, and moving Evernote records.
Fact: A lot of people have commented on how entertaining this thread is to them.
Fact: Your granny had a sense of humor--you do not.
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3 hours ago, DTLow said:
I made no such claim; of course we're all impacted when the servers drop
The apps function in offline mode, but there is no data syncing, no server functions
>>So, for the THIRD time--what is it that gives you, as per your own words, "advance notice"?
The Evernote app is installed on my Mac; it will continue to function until I terminate it. Before "it's demise", I will take appropriate action.
Déjà vu - my ECCO Pro experience RIP
For the FOURTH time:
"For Evernote's demise, I'm confident we'll have advance notice and can take appropriate action"
WHAT is it that makes you think you will have advance notice?
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2 hours ago, DTLow said:
Shakespeare was once a composer of well known plays and literature.
These days, he's just decomposing
You are about 390 years to late for that joke.
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17 hours ago, DTLow said:
My confidence is based on the Evernote apps installed on our Mac/Windows machines;
and the full copy of data stored locally.This software functions well in offline mode, and we set the schedule to cease using the product
You are avoiding the question--again.
You said:
"For Evernote's demise, I'm confident we'll have advance notice and can take appropriate action"
I have asked you TWICE before what is it that makes you confident you will have advance notice. BOTH times you have answered that you won't be affected if the servers drop.
I even gave you the opportunity last time to simply man up and admit you mis-spoke, and you have nothing to base your "confidence" on.
You opted to not take it.
So, for the THIRD time--what is it that gives you, as per your own words, "advance notice"?
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7 hours ago, dbvirago said:
Shakespeare was a hack. Only reason his work has stuck around so much is so that people given to pedantic sesquipedalian loquaciousness somebody to quote. Usually incorrectly.
He probably liked cauliflower.Actually, in truth, Shakespeare said things very plainly for plays at the time. He used the common language of the common man for most of his metaphors. It is the drifting of the language over time that no makes his text seem haughty. Take for example, "Why, she's neither fish nor flesh; a man knows not where to have her." Of course the audience laughs when Flastaff says that, and then laughs harder when the hostess retorts: "Thou art an unjust man in saying so. Thou or any man knows where to have me, thou knave, thou."
I mean, what BETTER way to have Falstaff describe her as a cross between ***** (a woman who has ***** for money) and ***** (a woman who does not charge for it but does it almost as often)? And he does it by taking the common (at that time) phrase "“neither fish, nor flesh, nor good red herring" and turning it into sexual innuendo!
No wonder the rabble loved Shakespeare's plays--he spoke THEIR language.
Or, "melancholy as a moor ditch"? Is there anything MORE melancholy than a moor ditch? No, of course not. And the rabble loved the fact Shakespeare was bringing in toilet humor that they recognized!
And, of course, my personal favorite--Titus Andronicus--the main course at the dinner party? Oh my god! Roman generals, power struggles, and then unknowing cannibalism of one's own offspring! Shakespeare was Monty Python's Holy Grail, Benny Hill, and Hammer Horror Films all rolled in to one!
*Stupid Evernote obscenity filters!
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6 hours ago, friz said:
Nevertheless, he persisted.
You mean all the way from back when it had at least some relevance? Yes. Those were good times.
Why do you expect ME to walk away, when you just walked up?
Is that something that happens in real life a lot, and you have grown accustomed to it?
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6 hours ago, dbvirago said:
No, I ignore what I don't like because I don't like it. Take cauliflower for instance. I don't like it, so I ignore it. Doesn't matter how it is presented. Have seen where they make it look like mashed potatoes or cheese doodles? I just ignore it.
But then, I would think a person who can't capitalize correctly to understand the subtle nuances of cruciferous vegetables.I leave you to your beliefs.
It is a free country, after all.
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1 minute ago, dbvirago said:
At least this thread was correctly named, I can't take it any more - Migrate out of an endless, pointless, rambling diatribe over semantics with nothing of any interest in several pages.
An yet here you are, participating...
"The lad doth protest too much, methinks"
That is a paraphrase from Shakespeare. He is a famous English playwright. Here is some information on him:
thoughts about V10 (with a little more distance)
in Evernote General Discussions
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Procrustes would be pleased!