lisec

On 10/11/2020 at 6:01 PM, gazumped said:

Yup.  I have a 25GB+ database.  If I update and install the legacy version it looks like Evernote will eat 50GB+ of my storage space for the 'hidden' v10 store and my public 6.25 EXB. 

gazumped: can you clarify something for me? Does this increase happen when you install both legacy and v10, or does it also happen when you install legacy on its own?  

I found it!  

1 hour ago, Mike P said:

I believe the legacy icon is black so you don't get confused between two green icons, I'm still using the 6.25 as well as the new client.

haha.. that wasn't the change I was thinking of. I thought it related to syncing or exporting or I don't know, it was important enough for me to avoid legacy.

20 hours ago, avevers said:

All this proprietary format stuff is really making me reconsider markdown as a suitable storage format now. And this idea won't work for a lot. I'm more about text, images, attachments and OCR. Less about the styling.

I'm beginning to wonder about a note editor which only really deals with MD format. And also piggybacks on existing mature cloud storage as the backend, single source of truth, from which syncs are performed.

Some note platforms will take an attachment you drop in, upload it to the cloud (Dropbox , Drive etc.) and replace the attachment portion of your note with an embedded link. It's still markdown at the end of the day.

That is exactly my thinking as well.  I've never liked using anything proprietary but I have, a lot, and have always had to get out at some point, losing data or having to take screenshots of the data. I never learn my lesson. Evernote is/was so perfect for my needs: text and images and attachments and links all in one note. Cross platform. Searchable. But I was concerned about the single exb file or enex file exports. And I despise what exporting to html does to my local folder/file structure. If only txt files could include images and attachments and easy local links! That would be my dream come true. 

I read something somewhere that the "legacy" version differs from the last known good version 6  (6.25.1.9091). Whatever it is I read sounded an alarm bell that made me stick with v6. Does anyone know the differences between the two aside from the fact that legacy is apparently getting updates?

29 minutes ago, mi_cha said:

@lisec and others, I checked it out:

The desktop version (previous OneNote 2016) - which I use with Microsoft 365 subscription - ALLOWS local notebooks BUT this version will be discontinued in 2025.

In the future it will be replaced by OneNote for Windows 10 (the stand-alone UWP app you mentioned), already available. This app is CLOUD ONLY (notebooks are stored in OneDrive).

So, if local notebooks are crucial, ON is definetely not a long-term solution.

See the story here (by the way, the ON community also criticized Microsoft a lot for killing the ON desktop, but to no avail):

https://office-watch.com/2018/microsoft-kills-onenote-windows/

Hope it helps those looking around

Thanks for checking that. The timing is good. I was just in OneNote, not having used it since version 2016, and immediately had to google something *very important*.  There is no way to export OneNote notebooks anymore (in the Windows 10 cloud only version).  All one can do is print to pdf.  Geez. This is getting crazy.  I love the cloud as much as the next gal, but don't these companies and programmers realize that way more than half the world doesn't have a good internet connection if they have it at all? Seriously. I live 15 minutes outside a large city that has fiber, and our internet is DSL with 4-5 MB down when we are lucky, and has not been upgraded in 20 years!  

 I'm a little more than upset that I received a notification to update to the new version 10 just a couple of minutes ago, almost one full week after they have received all the negative feedback on the version. I expected them to hold on to it for a bit longer.

1 hour ago, dcon said:

Hey, I know that one! I worked there (2012/2013) before moving to Evernote. ("moving" == "laid off")

Now that is cool!  I still have the program and last year I ran it in combability mode and it worked!  Man I loved that program. 

To the moderators - any way of pinning this thread? 

1 hour ago, DMiddleton said:

I have implemented my own initial version of this, let me know what needs adding to it or if you are aware of any changes/updates to the availability or planned status of any of the listed items.

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s249/sh/3fabdc13-3d55-9e1f-981b-9d4b43d74975/739ec1c7ac579089ac6d0ecdf2a8ddd1

 

2 minutes ago, DMiddleton said:

Strange, it is shared with 'Anyone can view'... maybe I should have put it in something other than Evernote.

It worked fine for me. I know that the user has to be logged into the web first.  Maybe that's the issue? Or perhaps you need a Pro Account to view shared notes?

Here are some items I've gathered from the various posts that are missing from your table. Note that I never installed v10, so I don't know how accurate these are.

• I can't create a Notebook inside the Notebook stack as I always did. You need to first create the Notebook, then move it to stack
• I can't grab a screen capture anymore
• I can't Paste text directly to Evernote note (CTRL+shitf+V) anymore
• I can't import a folder anymore
• I can't un-stack a Notebook from a stack using right click mouse. I need to drag an drop them.
• I can't narrow a search inside a specific Notebook or Notebook Stack.
• Clipped bookmarks can't be edited in the new editor.  It is possible to do so in the legacy version.

4 minutes ago, DMiddleton said:

I have implemented my own initial version of this, let me know what needs adding to it or if you are aware of any changes/updates to the availability or planned status of any of the listed items.

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s249/sh/3fabdc13-3d55-9e1f-981b-9d4b43d74975/739ec1c7ac579089ac6d0ecdf2a8ddd1

 

Nice. Thanks.  

1 minute ago, Mike P said:

The advanced syntax are all those wonderful tricks for searching for exactly what you want. See https://help.evernote.com/hc/en-us/articles/208313828-How-to-use-Evernote-s-advanced-search-syntax 

The new search/filter process makes some of these less needed because of the built in ability to search/filter for things like notes containing pdfs. This is provided you have remembered to build up your search in the notebook -> filter -> text order I described.

Thanks. That's for the legacy version. So I guess there are no new search features, like boolean or anything like that, aside from their new ability to "filter".

8 hours ago, Mike P said:

The advanced search syntax does work which is something

What does the advanced search syntax consist of? I mean how does it differ?

1 hour ago, mi_cha said:

You're right, my mistake: ON notebooks can be stored offline.

The old OneNote used to save the file locally, and I think perhaps the stand-alone app does as well, but I remember getting an email about 2-3 years ago where they said OneNote was now online only. I know there was some distinction between stand-alone and the new OneNote.

3 hours ago, Dave-in-Decatur said:

I also use Scrivener.

So do I!  I mean I *have* it, but haven't used it in a long while. I just use it for screenwriting - it never occurred to me to use it for something else. I'll load it up again and see.  I think I downloaded it to replace an old app called MindManager that I used to use to outline my PhD. It was like a flow chart program. I miss that one.

1 hour ago, gazumped said:

Yup.  I have a 25GB+ database.  If I update and install the legacy version it looks like Evernote will eat 50GB+ of my storage space for the 'hidden' v10 store and my public 6.25 EXB. 

Holy s**t

2 minutes ago, s2sailor said:

Thanks for confirming my suspicions.  So, we are "not" good.  We will be limited to the server copies and any history it has for backups and will no longer be able to make our own backups.  Well, sh&t ...

This is bad.  I use Evernote on more than one Windows computer. I usually copy my most recent exb file to the other computer before doing a sync when I haven't used it in a while. Now it looks like I will have to download *everything* on each computer (three!) with terrible speeds... It could take more than a week to get them all at their baseline, and then to download again just to keep up. If I wanted cloud-only storage I would have gotten cloud-only storage!

2 hours ago, gazumped said:

Pretty sure its not an EXB file,  but v10 seems to download something in background to allow offline working.  If anyone can track down exactly what,  please let us know!!

And what happens to all my saved and exported exb files?  I would create an exb of projects and keep them archived, then re-import when I needed them. Would I have to re-import all exb files before upgrading?  (not that I am going to be upgrading...)

edit: sorry, I meant enex files

On 10/10/2020 at 12:51 PM, gazumped said:

I get that for usage and budget reasons it would be good to cut down on their bandwidth so users don't sync GB-level databases (guilty!) on a regular basis - but if regular users start downloading notebooks for backup purposes,  seems to me that will tie up their servers quite nicely,  feeding the streams.

 

Am I getting this right - there is no local database file to backup anymore? Everything is cloud-based?  My internet service cannot be updated (country bumpkin) and I only have 4-5 MB up and 1 down.  It is why I can't use cloud-based backup services, and is an important reason I started using Evernote. I'm screwed, right?

Edit-shoot: my speed isn't in MB up or down but  Mbps... 4.4 Mbps down, 0.68 Mbps up.  I think Mbps are even smaller than MB - I always confuse that sort of thing.

5 hours ago, Mike P said:

I raised this at the beta stage but it is still an issue and I think it is important that everybody understands it.

If you copy and paste an image from a website into a note you would expect that image to be in your note wouldn't you. Wrong. All EN does is copy and paste a link to the image.

Mike, I would modify the title of this post to something more akin to indicating that copied images are linked rather than saved. I think it is too important to a change, and people have to know. 

That is a huge deal.  The whole point of putting something into Evernote is to *save* it - you know, the whole "put all your stuff in ONE place!" business. If we wanted to rely on the original information (the original website) we would just save a shortcut to the url in our browser, and we all know that links don't last.  Yes, there are other ways to save images (taking a screenshot, webclipper) but if Evernote starts to make these sorts of exceptions, and we have to keep track of what gets *saved* and what doesn't, it becomes a less reliable place for our information and that defeats the purpose.

1 minute ago, DTLow said:

To not impact sorting, the emoji could be inserted within the title

True, and I sometimes put them at the end when I just want the visuals... but much like we use ASCI characters to force sorting, I actually *want* some emojis to be at the top; stuff like pin, flag or exclamation mark (important).  But to be honest, given the host of issues I'm reading about with the latest version, this is the least of their problems. Sounds like any features we might have wanted, or additional 'finesse' issues will be delayed for a very very long time while they sort out this mess.