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  1. On 2017-05-03 at 0:28 PM, nicolgareth@gmail.com said:

    Office365 with1Tb Onedrive is a dream.....no longer missing Evernote, i loved it, but became too difficult reconnecting between devices, the cost was too much per month for storage.

     

    Glad you found a tool that fits your needs and suits your budget. That's what matters! 

  2. 23 hours ago, tboettiger said:

    This thread is more than a year old and still there does not seem to be a working solution for iOS. My main intention is capturing a blog post in Evernote and storing a PDF copy of it in a Dropbox folder that is available to my students. 

    Asking too much? It works great on macOS, btw.

    Since Evernote supports the Print action, you can save a PDF that way. 

    1) Open a note

    2) Open the share sheet (upward arrow coming out of a box).

    3) Select the Print action (bottom row of icons in the share sheet, if it's not visible, tap the "More" button to enable Print)

    4) when you see the Printer Options screen, two-finger-reverse-pinch (zoom-in gesture) on the preview (or force touch, if you have a newer iOS device) to open it in full screen. 

    5) from the full screen preview, tap the share sheet button (bottom left) to import it to dropbox (or any other application). 

     

    It's not elegant, and it looks like a lot of steps, but after you do it once, you'll find it's reasonably quick. 
     

    (This is not to say that Evernote shouldn't build in a proper PDF export feature! Just pointing out a relatively easy workaround in the meantime). 

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  3. To directly answer your question, for plus and premium accounts there is no stated device limit. If you and your wife both want to have your phone and laptop logged into Evernote at the same time, then as far as Evernote is concerned, that account is logged into two computers and two phones. It doens't know that one of those phones is being used by a different person than the other. At one time I had a phone, a tablet, and three different operating systems on two computers all logged in simultaneously (most often on the same network), without issue. There is no reason to be offline unless there is actually an absence of internet connection. (Keep in mind that on iOS and Android, note content is not available offline unless you explicitly mark a notebook as available for offline access on mobile).

    Moreover, there should be no issues with you both creating/editing/deleting notes at the same time, as long as you aren't editing the same note at the same time, but it sounds like you don't intend to do that. 

    I usually  advise against sharing accounts but there's no technical reason you can't do it, so if you think it will work, go for it. 

     

    I have some cautionary words, though, which aren't likely going to directly impact the use case you are describing but should be considered in the long-term: 

    I generally do not advise sharing accounts of any type, in most cases it comes with more headaches than it cures. But for your purposes, for now, it will probably be fine. I don't know how sustainable it will be in the long term, but for the immediate future I'm sure it will work. 

    Some things to keep in mind: There is one and only "default notebook". Depending on what you both do, this could cause confusion. If you are both emailing content into Evernote, or send content to Evernote using some kind of third-party service, then that content usually ends up in the default notebook, often there is no way to choose where it goes and it needs to be filed afterwards. If you are both doing this, you'll have to take care to try and make sure you know what belongs to whom.

    Tags could get messy. Because it is a single account, your tags will be visible to her and hers to you. If you use the same tag for something then viewing that tag will show yours and her stuff. I know that privacy isn't an issue for the two of you but organization and clarity might be, and this could make things a bit messy. Because you say you intend to keep things in your own clearly labelled notebooks, it is possible to clear up some of that mess with very specific search queries, but again, that all adds to the overhead that wouldn't be there if your account contained only your own stuff. 

    However, you gotta do what you gotta do! If your budget only accommodates a single plus subscription, then you've got to work with what you've got. 

    Cheers,

    Scott

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  4. I have a similar tendency as @csihilling. Most things are already properly named. Anything that is not properly named just goes into Evernote anyhow with the ugly name since the note title or document contents are more than sufficient for search. I'll only rename the file if it is getting moved to another storage location where filename matters, or if I'm sending it elsewhere. 

    I think it would be a great feature to be able to rename an attachment to the note title or any other arbitrary selection of text (though how to handle it if there are multiple attachments?), but I can only suspect that this would be a lower priority feature if it even made it onto Evernote's "to-do" list. 

  5. 18 hours ago, Flier said:

    A very simple and useful structure would be a top level folder Travel folder, below which is a folder with the country name and general information, then a subfolder for hotels and a subfolder of that for rejected hotels.  Same thing for driving routes:  "Travel/Norway_2015/Routes/Rejected Routes"  When I am not working on travel I would like to completely collapse the Travel folder and get all of its children out of view.  Once the trip is completed I would like to drag it to the bottom of the trip list so that my one or two upcoming trips are at the top of the list.  I can do none of this with Evernote but I can do all of it even within the simple bookmark structure of Firefox.  As far as I am concerned these are major functional deficiencies.  The fact that I can work around some of them with tagging kludges is irrelevant.

    Can this not be accomplished simply by making a Stack of notebooks named after your destination. Stacks can be collapsed or opened whenever you like. When a trip is complete, add "z" prefix to the name to force it to sort at the bottom of the stack (and upcoming or current trips can be prefixed with a symbol like ! . or @ to force it to the top).

    That said, you'd be unable to do something like, for a given destination, make sub-folders for "routes" and "sights" or whatever. Tags can go along way with that, but you apparently already know about everything tags can do, so I'll spare you an explanation.

     

    What is really sounds like you are saying is that you want hierarchical organization, or else. I'd consider setting up such a hierarchy in your computer's filesystem, and if you need mobile/online/cloud access, put the hierarchy into something like Dropbox. 

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  6.  

     

    Can I delete all my notes on the web, and regain this "space," or will that remove the actual notes on my desktop version?  Or is EN only concerned with what goes thru their upload process (the 60MB) and not the actual storage space used on their servers?

     

    No. It is not a space limit, it is an upload limit. You can store as much data as you want, but the rate at which you add it is capped. If you are a free user, it is 60mb per month. 

     

    You will regain your 60mb when your month turns over (the date depends on when you created your account, it is not the first of the calendar month). Since you are presumably not uploading anything anyhow, hitting this limit should have no impact because all of the local functions of Evernote should work even if you reach your limit. For example you should have no problem adding to your local notebooks. These are unaffected by the upload limit since their contents aren't uploaded. 

     

    Keep in mind that unless you use ONLY Local Notebooks in Evernote, all of your content is synced. It is also worth remembering that your default notebook (as defined in your Evernote preferences) is ALWAYS a synced notebook and this CANNOT be changed. 

     

    You should ensure that you are truly not syncing. Not clicking the "synchronize" button doesn't mean you aren't syncing. 

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  7. ok, a new twist to a missing note.

    I recently upgraded my iOS on my powerbook, requiring a complete re-install of all apps, including EverNote.

    Now, in the new version, the one note that I keep all my current stuff on is gone, and not in the trash.

    Weirdly, this note never seemed to sync with my other devices either, although other notes did.

    So, how can I find this missing note ?

    Thanks!

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    It is possible that either the note was so large that it exceeded the note size limits and was not synced. Or it was stored on your computer on a local notebook, which are not synced. 

    If the note was actually not synced, then it is likely lost, unless you can restore it from a backup of your previous computer system, such as a time machine backup. I can't find a link right this moment but there's plenty of discussion in the forum on how to restore  from backups. It's not easy but if this note is everything to you, it might be the only/best option. 

     

    Also check the Evernote Web interface to see if the note is there, if you haven't already done that. www.evernote.com

  8. I don't need anything in Evernote encrypted, I'm sure there are lots of users just like me.

     

    I'm guessing the majority or else the product teams at Evernote would be under internal pressure to add encryption - they are clearly not.

     

    There are 2 sides to this argument.

    My use has shifted so that this is also the case for me. I have other tools that are more secure that I keep those important files in. Evernote gets only the things that do not need encryption. 

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  9.  

    First, a bit of info about syncing and mobile devices.

    1) Your data are stored on Evernote's servers. They are also locally stored on any computer you have running Evernote. These locally stored files are available without a network connection. You can access all of your notes, modify notes, create new notes while offline on your computer. They will then get pushed to the cloud when you have a network connection. 

    2a) By default, Evernote only syncs headers on mobile devices which are stored in a local cache. When Evernote says that, on Android, it syncs every hour, it means new header information is sent to the device. The rest of the note is pulled down from the server and cached locally when you open that particular note. The effect is that even when offline you should have limited and temporary access to most of your note headers (largely useless on their own), and a selection of complete notes, typically the last few notes you have accessed and which are stored in their entirety in the cache. 

     

    2b) notes created on a mobile device while offline will be stored locally and uploaded to Evernote's servers (and subsequently to any other device you run Evernote on) when a connection is re-established. This is true for both free and premium.

     

    3) Premium users can tell their mobile device to download some or all of their notebooks to be stored, in their entirety, locally on the device. This would be subject to the same hourly background sync (or immediate sync when the application is running). This means, for the selected notebooks (or all notebooks, depending on the setting you select), the ENTIRE note, not just the header, is stored on the device and available when offline.

     

    The short answer is: if you need offline access on your mobile device, you need to have a premium subscription. 

     

    If you are concerned about data integrity, synchronize to a computer and make regular backups of that database.

     

    Data synced to your computer is also always available offline, even for free users. 

     

    If you only need offline access on your mobile device periodically, buy premium one month at a time. For $5, this isn't such a terrible thing if offline access is that important for you and you only need it for a short period of time. This is how I got started, only buying a month here or there as I travelled. (I am now a full-time premium subscriber going on 2 years).

    5 bucks in Argentina is a lot of money. I usually keep long notes with photos, and that's why I upgraded to premium. But, what if I can't pay the subscription no more? What would happen to my notes?

     

    Nothing. Your notes will always live and be accessible in Evernote even if you switch to Free. The premium upload allowance doesn't have any impact on things you've already added. 

     

    If your notes exceed the maximum note size for free tier once you drop down from premium, I'm not sure what will happen though, that's the only hitch. 

  10. Ah, okay, conflicting changes occurs when there is a sync conflict (could happen for any number of reasons), and it places the conflicting version in a newly created local notebook (on the desktop clients) for you to manually reconcile with the other version of the note. One version will usually have much less, or at least different data, from the other, because of the conflict. Because one version of the conflicting note is on a local notebook on your sector, it won't be present on any of your other devices. 

     

    Not the most elegant way of dealing with conflicts, but it seems to generally avoid massive data lost at least! 

    Regardless, really glad you've got your data back!

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  11. Sounds like the feature was publicised by sales but too computationally expensive for development to implement. As it only works in such marginal cases, perhaps it would be better left off the product feature list.

    I don't understand.... I never saw the creation of selectable (and thus, extricable) text from images in any marketing material from Evernote in the last 10 years... I have NEVER seen evernote claim to have this feature. They have always only ever said that they make images of text searchable, which is what they do (success is, of course, determined by the quality of the image and the clarity of the writing).

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  12. Hi all,

     

    Sorted my issue of lost data. Had this issue of losing  4 days worth of Evernote notes within a single notebook. All updates were gone from all my sync platforms(android, windows, web)

     

    All I did was search for one of the last topics I typed in my notebook and weired enough it appeared in the search results!!!

     

    I quickly copied that into a word document!!

     

    Anyone tried??

    Since the notes were retrieved with search they are technically still in your account and not lost? Were you able to figure out where they were in your account? Sounds like they were just in a different notebook than you expected. You can see where in evernote a given note is stored by clicking on the information button for the note. 

  13. I upgraded to Evernote Plus via iTunes and although I received a receipt from iTunes, the upgrade is neither visible in the apps on my mac and my iPhone nor in the web interface. I already submitted a support ticket (Ticket# 1193528) and sent a screenshot of my iTunes receipt but I'm afraid my ticket won't get answered very soon because I'm still listed as a free user. The update is very important for me, because my monthly upload volume is exhausted and I need to continue my work with Evernote as soon as possible. Thank You.

    Since you might be looking at a few days of "downtime" before Evernote support get this resolved for you, you can always create a local notebook on your computer and put new content in there (or move actively working content there) where, while it won't be synced to the servers, you'll at least be able to add and modify it, and move it back to its normal notebook once your allowance is updated. 

     

    Obviously this will not help at all if your primary use takes place on a mobile device  :wacko:  in which case you are beholden to your exhausted allowance....

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  14. I also have several conflicting modifications but only on my mac, not my iPad or iPhone.  The notebooks are empty but still can't seem to delete them.

    Right clicking on the empty notebooks and selecting "delete notebook" doesn't work? 

     

    (also, the reason they don't appear on the other devices is because conflicting changes notebooks are "local" notebooks so that you don't sync a bunch of conflicting notes all over the place). 

  15. Lost notebooks on Windows.

     

    I have been using webclipper on a Windows 7 laptop with good success for more than a year. I also  input from an iPad and iPhone which has also worked very well.  Recently the web clipper has stopped working, particularly stopping at finding the list of notebooks to choose the one I want to save to.

    Then I noticed that all 53 notebooks have completely disappeared from my Windows laptop  leaving no trace. They are not in the trash folder.

    The notebooks all remain in the IOS environment.

    Any ideas about what's going on with this?  I will appreciate a solution.

    Are you positive that you are logged into exactly the same account on all your devices (and the Web Clipper)? Evernote has made it all-too easy to accidentally create a new account when attempting to log in if you accidentally used a secondary email to do so. 

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  16. Thanks Scott,

     

    Here's what my app does.  Opening screen is roughly like Evernote opening screen except you see only six notes and the title are shown in full.  Now let's say you clipped a sentence from an online article because you think it reinforces something you read the other day.  Tap on that note and it drops to the bottom of your screen.  Tap on the other note you have in mind and now the two notes are connected so that whenever you pull up one note, you'll see the other.  what you just did is you save the reason WHY that note matters to you--because of how it ties in with the first note.  

     

    In my app, you don't save notes you connect them.  And then, whenever you pull up any note you'll see all the notes that are tied to it.

     

    Of course it all comes down to the user interface which is very cool, but I'm just curious--does that sound like something you'd use?

    That sounds like a really compelling idea. I can definitely see a use case for that, though I don't know if it fits my needs... perhaps in large part because my use of Evernote has dropped considerably in the last year, and my current use of it is now very straightforward. The heavy-duty work takes place in another application now.  As such I am less invested in, and have less need for, sophisticated organizational assistance within Evernote. I'd certainly consider a trial of this application you are developing though!

  17. 1400 notes (4 years of use, I have a couple thousand notes exported and stored in an archive that are from years-old projects). 

     

    As few notebooks as possible, good titles, judicious tagging. Search is my usual means of retrieval. I very rarely browse. The exception would be for very tightly related notes. For example, when I travel I might place my various itinerary documents into Evernote and tag them with a locationMMYY tag, (e.g., baltimore0415). I would either search for that tag with tag:baltimore* or tag:baltimore0415. I may browse by clicking on that tag (likely if it is close to my departure that tag will be saved as a shortcut) but unless the tag is in the shortcuts section, that's not as efficient in my opinion. 

     

    Searching for note content (rather than a specific tag) can produce a fair number of false positives, but in general the false positives aren't too hard to sift through. 

     

    So, tightly defined tags and searching. Minimal use of notebooks (my notebook count is slightly inflated due to the need to share some things, which requires its own notebook). 

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  18.  

    I get it that you don't like encrypting Notebooks or encrypting only content but not metadata.

    Whether you like it or not, it would still be very useful to many users, and a great improvement over the current security of Evernote.

     

    I like encrypting notebooks. I agree it would increase security. I don't, and did not, suggest otherwise.  I think encryption is extremely important. I just can't see it fitting easily into Evernote's service without some issues or some compromises that deteriorate the benefit of encryption to at least some degree. I'm sure there are power users and savvy product managers out there with much better ideas than what I possess who will figure out how to implement ZK encryption in a way that doesn't seriously degrade UX. 

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    Implementing that feature would negate the majority of the features that Evernote has to offer. This is because a large portion of Evernote's features require server-side access to your note content to do the indexing and OCRing and whatnot. Having users choose between not encrypting their data, or encrypting their data and getting none of the features they pay for is a pretty ugly pair of decisions. 

     

     

    I disagree that implementing encryption "would negate the majority of the features that Evernote has to offer".

    The ONLY feature that encryption negates is Search of the data that is encrypted.

     

    Also, OCR'ing images, generating "related notes"/"Context" suggestions. You'd also be unable to email or clip into encrypted notebooks.

     

    Yes, you could allow users to make some notebooks zero-knowledge encrypted and others not, but this seems like it could be immensely confusing for some users who, for some reason they may not fully understand, find that some images or PDFs or DOCX files aren't indexed and others are, and why the email they sent to an encrypted notebook ended up in their default notebook (which could never likely be ZK encrypted), or why only some of their notebooks show up in their web clipper, and so on. 

     

    Maybe it wouldn't be confusing at all though. Perhaps the users who are inclined to employ zero-knowledge encryption will be savvy enough to fully understand the implications. But at the same time, it isn't just savvy users who need or could benefit from zero-knowledge encryption. 

     

    As JM suggests, you could encrypt the contents and not the metadata to facilitate some retrieval, and indeed this seems much more viable than the new, emergent, potentially expensive, yet-to-be-implimented-anywhere technology that Eric99 mentioned. However, leaving metadata unencrypted is also problematic for several reasons:

    1) metadata could contain sensitive information as well, especially if the note contents are sensitive.

    2) It seems like a bit of a mess trying to explain to users during the course of their use of the app that the contents, but not the metadata, are encrypted, and this is definitely something that Evernote would need to inform users of. 

    3) Still precludes emailing/clipping/any other server side additions to that specific notebook, you'd have to toss it into an unencrypted notebook first, defeating the purpose (though then again, anything you are clipping or email already existed on an unencrypted cloud anyway so perhaps this isn't an issue? the exception would be content clipped from intranets)

     

    Altogether the lack of ZK encryption is an issue for me insofar as I am unable to store large portions of my work in Evernote, however I've since found better options where encryption isn't an issue and that are superior products for my work needs. Even if Evernote implemented zero-knowledge encryption I'd probably still not return my work content to Evernote. 

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    It would only take one feature to keep me from being discontented with Evernote, despite how invested I've become in it: Something as simple as being able to reorganize notes manually without having to dink around with titles would halt my searching for alternatives in a second. 

     

    I was this close to installing OneNote recently, to see if they were more forward thinking in that area . . . until I got an itch to look at their Privacy Policy. Have you all looked at that thing? 

     

    Where most notetaking apps seem to be saying "we don't nose around in your content unless you're on the wrong side of the law," OneNote's goes on an on about how it will save whatever it damn well pleases for marketing or whatever it wants to do with it, so there. The wording really got my goat (and I don't even have a goat).

     

    I stopped the OneNote installer right there and swore off Microsoft and its band of merry lawyers. Again.

     

    My understanding is that the encryption is zero-knowledge and easily done for OneNote, so you might not find that you have much to worry about after all. I wouldn't put anything sensitive on anyone else's servers unless it was encrypted.

     

    Good point . . . that's something I wasn't aware of. I'm wondering why Evernote skipped over that feature.

     

    My apologies for going a little off-topic, by the way.

     

    Implementing that feature would negate the majority of the features that Evernote has to offer. This is because a large portion of Evernote's features require server-side access to your note content to do the indexing and OCRing and whatnot. Having users choose between not encrypting their data, or encrypting their data and getting none of the features they pay for is a pretty ugly pair of decisions. The solution is local processing of these things, but that comes with other major downsides (and would likely severely handicap the functionality of their mobile applications) and can't replace all of the server-side processes that plus/premium users pay for (as well as those that benefit free users). 

     

    I agree, good, (ideally) zero-knowledge encryption is super important, but I think Evernote is a long way away from doing it (in fact, I don't think they ever will). In the meantime there are other options for storing sensitive data. 

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  21.  

    In addition to the great post that GM has made highlighting some of the differences and similarities, I'd like to also through out a few important differences. 

    . . .

    As someone who has transitioned from using solely Evernote to a combination of DEVONthink (personal and work) and Evernote (Personal only), I've been meaning to write a bit about that, perhaps by the end of the week. 

     

    Scott, thanks for another great post.  Lots of great insight there.

     

    I look forward to your new article.  Please post a link to it here when published.

     

    JMichael,

    As per, here's the link to part 1 of a set of two posts in which I rather haphazardly make contrasts between Evernote and DEVONthink, based on thoughts off the top of my head. It's a bit "back of the napkin", but the point is to highlight how the two applications (or an application and a service) can work together to serve the breadth of an individual's set of needs. 

    Evernote and DEVONthink Part I

     

    Part two coming next week. 

    Thank for your interest and I hope this helps people understand better where Evernote can sit in their workflow, even if they use another "similar" (though I argue not at all similar) application. 

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