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Does anyone know of any progress on this? I've just done my monthly scan cycle again - and this ridiculous piece of shoddy design thinking is just unbearable ??

Hard to see it's a bug, since the warning is correct in what it is warning of. More like a truly dreadful design decision! Thanks for confirming there's nothing I can do though.

And, for clarity, here is the use case: I scan everything into Evernote once a month or so, which puts them in the Evernote notebook. So I now have 60-odd new notes, which I retitle when I have a few minutes, tag if needed and move to the correct notebook. I do not need to be babied about the implications of doing so, there are countless reasons why a note might start life in a different notebook from the one I now want it in. Treating users as unable to recognise the implications of legitimate actions in the application strikes me as being truly stupid.

Worse - having shared the Evernote notebook solely to avoid getting repeated warnings, I now get a more generic warning that 'People may lose or gain access'. You don't say! How do I turn them off??

Just installed 6.11.2.7027 (307027) Public. Which has decided to start warning me EVERY time I move a note from an unshared notebook to a shared notebook. This strikes me as the worst possible example of nannying a user possible, so I assume you can switch off these warnings. But I can find no option to do so. Someone tell me I'm wrong please...

I've had these monitors for years - two at 1920x1080 and one at 2560x1440, all set to 100% scaling. It never used to do this, Evernote was pin sharp on all of them - something has changed, either in Windows, or in Evernote.

I rather assumed this was yet another scaling issue introduced with a recent Windows update - but the usual approaches around compatibility settings don't seem to make any difference. The screenshot refers - this was captured from a 1920x1080 monitor, set to 100% scaling, one of two which I use. I also have a third 2560x1440 monitor, also set to 100%, which has the same issue, although it doesn't look quite so bad, because smaller! The blue font used in the note title, and the fonts in the note-previews are all fragmented and blurry - the note text is OK. This would make more sense to me as an issue if the monitors were set to scale the display - but they're not, all run at 100% (I have pretty good eyesight!)

I don't know if it's the same issue, but I've been having constant freezes in Chrome for the last couple of days - and have just tracked it down to the Evernote plug-in, which is now disabled. But I need it enabled, I use it all the time !

That's very much where I am on it. There is nothing else out there that provides such a wide variety of ways to capture everything important to me and then allow me to access it on every flavour of device I might happen to carry with me. But earlier comments about its cantankerous nature ring true as well - I have no doubt I can make it do what I need, but it sometimes feels like a struggle I really shouldn't need to have. I'd love to see some real focus on useability and a pause in the introduction of new features. It's easy to make good PR from the latter, but I think you can actually tell a much better story around the former, it just needs more thought and effort. One of the best decisions I ever made - and it wasn't even a contributing factor - was buying my own domain. 20 years ago this month, wow I am getting old! The important side-effect, subject to you being prepared to do the occasional bit of config, was in not being tied to a particular mail client or provider, behind the scenes. No-one envisaged, back then, that so many services would move to the cloud, presented over http!

Thank-you JMichael. Wise counsel! I wasn't aware that the forum had this facility. And will be making use of it :-)

You seem to be the one focused on the numbers, since you're the one bringing them up. <rolls eyes> You're one of those people who self-validate in online victories aren't you? OK, I give in. I apologise for my double-standards, point scoring and unsupportable desire for applications to behave as they're meant to. You can sleep soundly now.

IOW, since I don't agree with you, my use case is useless while yours is. I love that double standard kind of stuff. Both your and my individual use cases are irrelevant, because they're individual. As is how many notes you have, how many years using computers (less than me as it happens) or how many forum posts you've made. What isn't irrelevant is that it doesn't comply with the MS guidance for a Windows application UI, along with other aspects of the interface. I don't get why you are so defensive about it, nor see the need to wave comments about double-standards around.

We all get that you're a very heavy user and that you're not bothered by this foible. Good for you. However, your use case of one is hardly compelling and, actually, isn't relevant to this particular gripe. This is a Windows application we're talking about, designed to run on Microsoft's Window's OS. For which, Microsoft provide clear guidance on the functionality of, and interaction with, the interface. This guidance exists precisely so that developers do not need to second guess every aspect of the user's interaction with the application and in order to promote consistent expectation amongst users. Compliance with these guidelines should be a high priority for any interface developer, because failing to do so frustrates some - perhaps many - users, depending on how common any particular interaction approach is. I'll wager quite a few people are annoyed by this, even if you aren't - not least because the convention is observed strictly in Outlook and lots of people have no choice but to be a power user of Outlook. Creating a mail in Outlook is a lot easier than creating a note in Evernote. This should not be the case.

It's more than just use cases though - this is a gripe about a failure to accord to conventions which users may not be aware of consciously, but they sure expect to be acknowledged. These niceties are more than just conventions in many case, they're clear components of the MSDN guidelines for developing applications for Windows. They're not exactly a secret either. I'm very much in agreement with atangel's views on this: Evernote has never built solid UI for Windows - they don't really seem to get it. I can't say that I've been hugely impressed with iOS and Android offerings either (although the latter is, in many respects, the best of them). From the MSDN Guidelines: "The order in which a user moves, or navigates, through the elements of a UI must be logical and consistent with the natural language in which the UI is written. In a well-designed UI, the navigation order starts with the most commonly used control and flows in the direction in which the language is read. For example, in a dialog box in a UI written in English, the navigation order moves from left to right and top to bottom. In Windows applications, users navigate by pressing the TAB key to move the input focus from one UI element to another. They press the SPACEBAR or ENTER key to choose the currently selected active region or to activate a control or command. Pressing the SHIFT+TAB key combination reverses the navigation order, moving the input focus backward through the elements, and pressing the arrow keys moves the input focus in specific directions within a group of elements." From the Title field of a note, pressing the Tab key does nothing. By anybody's measure, that's a bug - unless the En devs have decided that MS UI guidelines can be ignored (I sometimes wonder...). I'm interested in an earlier allusion that some of these interface decisions were subject to much discussion in Beta; the guidelines generally provide very clear direction on most of these issues. It doesn't take much playing around with keyboard navigation to conclude that they had little bearing on the decision making. It's a UI. First and foremost, for USE. Not for admiring from a distance :-)

I have to say I agree entirely with the original gripe. I'm a pretty heavyweight user (>3000 notes at the moment) and I STILL am thrown by tab not working as expected: the action is so embedded in my fingers from the behaviour of other Windows apps that I do it unconsciously every time, even though I know it doesn't work - and then am mentally pulled up, every time, thinking 'Ach, bl00dy tab key!'. Evernote is not a great app to navigate from the keyboard and I doubt I'm the only user who would rather not touch the mouse if at all possible... the same grumbles apply to the search functionality and other navigation aspects in the UI And to Kitty Treat Dispenser: Come on, note-taking was all Evernote originally existed for! It's not the most important aspect for me, but it's really not great for it either: I too adopt workarounds with companion apps, solely because it's never been a great experience using the app for its original purpose. If I could trust En to give me the control of even a simple rich-text editor (Wordpad or similar) I would use it directly and more often too - but it simply doesn't have the features and reliability that makes that worth the effort (I see someone else - again! - is asking questions about how to re-order embedded pictures in a note...)