@jbignert ... i have re-installed and will get back to the forum. To be clear, since there are other confusing posts here, the issue was Safari delayed sites launching (old version is shadowed in background for a second before it launches) and followed by hanging (white screen and site never appears). Since i had installed copper I had no issue for two weeks. Now I will try again and see how it goes. Again I am the one with the fresh macbook pro with zero other extensions. Thank you for watching. Colin