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Yeah and that's the issue. Most of us who like MD are drawn away by that desire. I guess I'm not sure how difficult it is to export my entire database as some format usable outside of Evernote. I know they have some basic HTML formatting in the enex files so maybe that's enough and could be converted to MD. It's not something I want to do tomorrow, but I'm just hedging my bets in case the Bending Spoons acquisition goes sideways. Being a developer I can say I do understand not writing for the 10% (or maybe even 1% it'd be fun to know via a poll) as there are other fish to fry to keep Evernote moving forward. I'd much rather them keep afloat than support odd features. I did think Tasks were odd to begin with, but I am seeing some interesting developments. Again, I keep coming back somehow (I didn't think I was going to resubscribe this year, but they made an offer I couldn't refuse). Anyway, I'll be patient and watchful at the same time. For those that don't understand software development (or really.web app development as it mainly is nowadays), it takes a tremendous effort to pull of what Evernote just did and still have users and money. They almost rewrote it from scratch. I say almost as I have to believe they hung on to a few of the older libraries during the migration in order to keep it running, or just fronted the older libraries with APIs until they can be rewritten. And they did live up to their promise of iterating faster on the new codebase. So now that they have sprints (I'm guessing 2-3 weeks), there is a prototype at the very least at the end of each sprint.

Thanks for the ideas PinkElephant, but the Government frowns on other VPNs being used. And if it were encrypted end to end and at rest (which I believe EN can be) it would be easier to get it approved. Still I'm not holding my breath for this to get through. The only issue with using my own equipment (which is definitely possible), is getting at the information from my work laptop (both home and work are Macbook Pro's). I'm mostly looking at storing daily notes and research etc. But that would separate it from my work and make it hard to link anything work related. Still it is giving me something to think about...

I just realized I incorrectly characterized OmniFocus. It's an independent company but they focus only on Apple. As far as markdown goes, it wouldn't be difficult to make it behave the same as it does now for those that don't want to tinker with it. Still it would require a lot of effort by the developers for a different reason, as they would need to makes sure it worked on all the platforms. The code should mostly be the same but there could be minor differences in native frameworks if there are still any left in the codebase. An alternative would be an export option with full support for markdown per some standard like GitHub uses.

I am experiencing the same issue, but I know the cause and there's nothing Evernote, Google or anyone outside of my work can do. It's my work purposely blocking Evernote or some protocol at least. If someone knows of another protocol I could use I'm all ears. The same block stops me from using the desktop as well. What sucks is that my alternative is Google Workplace and Google Keep is not a sufficient replacement. Oddly, they haven't blocked Craft.do, which I'm using for now until they find that too. I just don't understand what is insecure about Evernote in this scenario (using the Web). Even with the Desktop I think it should be the same as it's just an Electron wrapper around the web. What's sad is I was gaining momentum and reenergized to use Evernote for work. For home I just use Evernote as my digital filing cabinet. I just would like to have everything in one place, but the Gods have foiled me yet again! To echo Pink Elephant above: This is not an Evernote, Chrome or any other browser problem. When you run into this, check with your IT department and see if they'll unblock it. For me to do the same would require a request in some arcane system, first born, sacrifice a lamb and who knows what all else, and 10 years later I'll have access! Sorry, just venting on the last day of the year for work. I was hoping to get myself set up for the start of the new year.

I have gone back and forth over how to make EN work for me. I cannot seem to find a suitable replacement for EN though. I rely on web clipping and easy to use apps (iOS, macOS, web) for my wife. So when EN introduced tasks I though I might be able to make things work for other aspects of my workflows (todos etc), but it did not. Tasks are great in their current state, but I do things like adding iOS shortcuts in my task so on my phone I can tap it from the task and it will execute the shortcut (not to be confused with EN shortcuts a totally different mechanism). I cannot, for the life of me, figure out how or even if it is possible to achieve this. I'd also like the checklist item to be checked once my shortcut returns. I do understand the technically complexities of this (async/await) but Javascript has had this ability for a long time, and I'm pretty sure Electron has it as a result, though not positive as I don't play around with Electron from a development point of view. So it's choosing between Obsidian, Craft, Noteplan and OmniFocus for doing this. Right now I believe all of them (not positive about Craft) support what I am doing. All but OmniFocus use markdown. Omnifocus just works because it's part of the Apple ecosystem. I just would like to have one app I work from that I could web clip to, so I don't have to try to remember which app has what information! Right now Evernote can only serve to be my web clip and note storage. I cannot find anything that does that better and that is the only way my wife uses it, so converting her to another platform is not easy, though I have a year (yet again) to figure this out. I hope Evernote adds this feature in somehow. Or as mentioned above, move to Markdown or support full Markdown.

My observation from a very limited time of playing with it, is that it works, but with the Evernote controls right there, there's not much reason to use Markdown. What would be better is if it could go back and forth and the note itself be markdown. The rendering could be whatever. I don't think that's a difficult stretch at all given that Electron uses Javascript libraries which know how to play with markdown just fine (see Obsidian as an example). That would give the user independence from Evernote. But it would also force Evernote to differentiate itself from Obsidian and other's in that group. But that challenge exists regardless of whether markdown is involved or not. It's just that Evernote is not very easy to export. Obsidian is stored on my iCloud Drive which automatically syncs to all of my devices. I will say the one shortcoming of that scenario is that it makes it a bit more difficult to embed media, etc. It's still doable and there are ways to make it work. It's just not as seamless as Evernote. Also, there is no web clipper for Obsidian. But to be fair to both tools, it feels like they are solving different problems. Obsidian is more of a PKM (Personal Knowledge Management) system, whereas Evernote (at least for me) is more of a filing cabinet. I could probably make either one work like the other, but why strain against how something is made? I will say it was my wife who made the decision to come back to Evernote as it's a familiar interface and the others (Craft, Nimbus, etc) have strong points but are confusing to her. She's not a techie like myself. I think markdown for export would be great, but I'm more interested in a real widget in iOS so I can just poke at the screen and go directly to what I want. I don't want to have to bring up Home in order to enter something or find something. I want less friction. And yeah I know I should (and will) be giving this feedback in the appropriate place. But to answer your question it does seem to work to use the same idioms from Markdown. It just won't store the note as a markdown file. I can live with that for now, but I'd like to see them get that done eventually.

I finally started to look into this and it actually does more than I thought! I'm going to see what I can do with it. Thanks for pointing it out! Sometimes it takes me a few months to try things.

One thing that has me using Obsidian instead of Evernote for task visibility rather than the Tasks on Evernote is the lack of Markdown on Evernote (I'm talking about macOS but this equally applies across all platforms). I like to use MindNode to do my planning in the morning and then export to something else. That usually is OmniFocus to see if I need to create a project, but actual tasks to get done during the day goes to my daily note in Obsidian (it's free if you use your own Sync - iCloud being the way I chose). I'm trying to find ways to make Evernote into something other than a filing drawer to take advantage of the new Tasks feature. But frankly friction gets in my way. And to pay for Evernote to just file my reference seems silly. But if my Markdown went into Tasks on Evernote then I can see some integration and less friction. The calendar integration was a good start! But it's not enough. I can't imagine it'd be all that difficult to add to the Tasks subsystem and make it cross platform.

Yeah I know about the support folks and I have contacted them. I just keep forgetting that not everyone is a developer in life! And good point about the personal info, thanks for the reminder! It's the lack of filter for us ADHDers that causes that for me. Anyway, onto my next adventure!

I'll add that I updated to the latest version of 10 (been on 10 for a while) and EN crashed (I do have a log if anyone is interested. I did try to look at the log but didn't recognize the libraries being used, guessing they're internal). So I tried restarting my computer (but not the steps PinkElephant stated above) and tried restarting the client and it started this massively long cycle of an arrow around an elephant (I want to call it the elephant beachball) so I gave up on it after a couple of tries of restarting it. So for grins and giggles I found the link to download it directly instead of using the Mac App Store and lo and behold that did the trick. That or EN had parsed enough of my data to finally start working. But it works now. All of that would be fine if it could be included in the release notes (expect a very long reindex of the database or something more user friendly maybe). The crash wasn't fine and I think someone needs to look at why it happened. If it's my fault then fine I'll shut up and move on. If it's otherwise it could point to a build issue, though I'm unaware of your build process as I've never played with Electron code and presumably some Javascript library (Angular, etc). Anyway, hope this helps someone or if I'm wrong I hope I'm able to help out a developer there somehow. And now I want to reverse engineer an Electron app

What I'm reacting to is that I'm the oddball who went away from Evernote, started using Craft, trying Nimbus, etc. I settled on Craft as i liked embedding notes inside of notes and folders inside of folders and separate workspaces for my Home, Work and Family where Family is what my wife and I shared. I didn't pay any extra for that feature and I had it all available on every device. I will admit that I'm not always a fan of block type editors but I got used to it. So what made me come back to Evernote? My wife. She didn't like Craft because it wasn't familiar. I'd gotten her used to using Evernote for so many years that it's where she stores her recipes and other references. She'll probably never use the Tasks or the Home w/Widgets etc. Speaking of which I'd like to have an iOS widget set beyond me just clicking on an icon to bring up Evernote, and the very small set of actions in Shortcuts. I'm not going to pay for Teams for 2 people as it's way more money than I need to spend to get the functionality I really need, workspaces. The free account won't work for her due to the small amount of uploads allowed per month. So we'll probably just have our separate Stacks for myself and her and my work and that will be that way until Workspaces make it to Evernote for the rest of us. That being said, I do like the editor on Evernote, and maybe some of my fantasies of the rewrite will come true. Now features can, for the most part, exist on all platforms with one codebase. Otherwise I think Craft and others will eventually takeover if they haven't already, which would be sad as I do like Evernote as a company. I'm just not sure what killer feature or set of features will help.

My use case is as follows: I'd like to separate out my workspace from my wife as well as from my work. I'm sure there are other subdivisions I could do. But I don't want to clutter her workspace with my information she doesn't care about. And it helps me focus when there is less clutter. Craft and Nimbus both have good examples of this. Also, allow for notes to be moved from one workspace to another, i.e. my wife hands off a note to me to take care of or vice versa. Also, for those of us with a significant amount of notes, we'd need to be able to drag a bunch of notes at once and move them to a space. Or do a bulk action instead. Either way works for me. And this would be available across all platforms. Thanks! Robert

If they could just take what is in the current "Home" area on the Evernote products and convert them to actual widgets in iOS and I'm not talking about using shortcuts. I can use shortcuts to do some things, but it's a very limited set of operations. A note widget, a folder widget, a tasks widget etc would allow me to go directly to the part of Evernote I want to interact with, without having to launch the app (on my phone). On my Mac it may be a bit different because it's a much bigger screen and different use case. The iPad is in between and makes a great place for actual widgets as well, i.e. it's a great way to go directly to what I need to do, without my ADHD lack of focus getting in the way of a gazillion other apps, etc. The point, to me, of Apple iOS widgets (to be distinct from what Evernote calls its widgets) is to take away friction from getting a task done, i.e. go directly to what you want to do. I know Evernote has other ADHDers as software developers. Have them come up with use cases on how to use each device and support it. I do understand one code base for all platforms makes it easier to add features. Great, we're mostly there. So now let's add native features where they belong. There is no perfect one codebase to rule them all. There is always some amount of divergence. Now is the time for that divergence!

I had a feeling but figured I'd put it out there just in case. Thanks for responding! As far as a separate Basic account, I lose all of the features of the Premium account I'm paying for currently. And my wife logs into the same account which is how we are sharing right now. If she could have her own account but still be under the same premium subscription, that could work And yeah I wrote the wrong, I know it's at the note level and not the notebook level for encryption. Either way it's a pain to deal with unless I were a lawyer or healthcare worker, etc. None of my data matters to anyone else. If they want to know what manuals I have OCRd for my kitchen appliances, more power to 'em! Thanks again for the reply. As every year, I have until next month I believe, to decide what to do. There just isn't one good app that has what I want. So whatever I choose will not have all I want. I'm still hoping Evernote changes in a way that is useful to me. Or they add a widget I find useful (or ability to create my own widgets) to their Home dashboard.

So my wife and I both use Evernote on all of our devices (iOS and macOS) and share the same account so we both can see certain notebooks or stacks. I know I can password protect specific notebooks but that's a pain. I see there are workspaces as a concept for business folks. Every other competitor to Evernote seems to include that as part of their personal offerings as well. Is there a way to bring that functionality to the personal subscriptions? Or does it already exist and I just don't know how to set it up? If I could have a specific workspace for all of my stuff that my wife doesn't care about and vice versa then it would be great! Thanks!

I finally caught up to this video and looking forward to the next. What struck me about this video is, as a Software Developer myself, that I saw all of the right constructs being put in place to support the evolution of Evernote towards the features I've been missing. My subscription is about to expire and before I knew this work was being done I was looking elsewhere for my needs. One thing made me pause before pulling the trigger on joining another system: Evernote has been around what seems like forever and has a huge backing of users. From what I've seen through the videos I'm very impressed with the team. But I want to focus on Ian as well. The person at the top of any given company helps determine the cadence and personality of the company. Ian strikes me as a servant leader, which is how I prefer to lead as well. He strikes me as the CEO that asks his team "What can I do to help you?" But more importantly, Ian is a person who cares about society and humans. I can tell based on the last few minutes of this video but also all throughout the other videos, in how he was with all of his team. Ian, thank you for standing up for what is right in this world! I'm so happy to see so many in the tech industry take a stand against racism. Like you, I have no idea what it must be like to be black or brown in this country, and like you I want to do something about it. In my case, I will call out racism whenever I see it and I have two children that will do the same! One more thing, and I've written this elsewhere, but hopefully it'll get noticed here: Being a Software Developer by trade (iOS, macOS, NeXT, WebObjects (if you remember that! :)), I'm willing to dig a big deeper in logs, use utilities, open up iTerm, etc. as a beta tester (and yes I signed up).

Wow, I didn't even know you had a behind the scenes playlist! Hats off to Ian and the team for doing that! I have been in the process of comparing Evernote to other tools. It felt to me for so many years like Evernote was stagnant and that there wasn't any innovation happening at all. The videos are helping me to see that you are actually looking at the full UX! I have a background in iOS development, Web Development from years ago (WebObjects if you've ever heard of it!) and now at work I'm learning to work with Docker/OCI containers and k8s. I'm working on a small scale. I can't imagine what it's like for you all to transform your operations from the older technologies to the modern platforms! I really hope that what I'm seeing is partially a result of you moving to more of a DevOps environment. I truly believe you all will benefit from being able to deploy at will constantly. If you need a more advanced user, I'm fine digging into my Mac and grabbing logs. Hit endpoints with MacPaw for REST apis, etc if you need me to test those out. One thing I'd love to see, for us geeks, is an overall view of your development process. Something you might give at a developer conference for example. I hope you all are staying healthy and safe!