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Thanks, @s2sailor. So EN can now format a note as an outline, but it is still not an outliner in the sense of being able to organize (and, importantly, reorganize) notes in an outline. So I will continue my migration away...

Where are these documented? I saw them mentioned in discussions of app instability this summer but I don't see them in app menus or online help. Is the outlining just the ability to do Word / GDocs-like formatting within a note? (I would not consider that to be an outliner, with the organizational fluidity of Workflowy or its predecessors.) Thanks.

FWIW: After more than 15 years with Evernote, I switched to Workflowy 3 years ago and am happy that I did. The only thing that I really miss is OCR text search (I realize that it's not classical OCR, but you know what I mean.) I only need to open EN a few times a month to extract some legacy data and put it in WF; sometime this year I expect that I'll bite the bullet and just export everything and be done with it. I also miss viewable / searchable embedded PDFs but I get by with putting them in Google Drive and linking to them in WF. Important YMMV caveat: One big plus for me with WF is that it's an outliner. I'd used other outliners before Evernote, and EN's lack of outline organization was always my biggest problem with it (then its instability a few years ago was what pushed me over the edge.)

I don't know for certain in this case, but there's a good chance that if you had worked with the first update for a while it would have sped up eventually (without going through all the wheel-spinning of multiple attempts). Often after an update they rebuild the database piece-by-piece, which takes some time.

Perhaps there's a difference whether it was installed for one user or for all users?

This is not a support forum. AFAIK there are no Evernote-monitored threads anywhere. See @RussP41's post just now for submitting a support request to Evernote.

I'm still avoiding v10 myself based on reports here. A few questions: how many notes do you have? It would not be surprising for the initial startup / loading / indexing to be very slow. Is it still slow on subsequent usage?

Question to those of you (@agsteele, @fredhammersmith, etc) for whom EN on Windows is working well now -- how many notes do you have? Some of the early issues were not just about stability, but about response times with large databases. I have about 12K notes and am still skittish. Thanks!

First impressions of Workflowy are positive, for a clean, lean outliner. Does anyone have any impression / evaluation of G Keep or MS OneNote for web clipping?

Afraid that rules it out for me. Ooh, must try! How long ago was that? There are some encouraging sounds emerging in this thread recently for V10 as long as the database is small.

Interesting. Maybe it would work to move my massive EN archives to a different platform, and consider using the new EN for more limited use-cases. Still haven't found a satisfactory Tasks app since Ecco died (around the turn of the century?) Nice when that happens...

Yes, many of us are trying to assess our options, and would appreciate the info. This forum is one place where those can be discussed thoughtfully.

> links to all related notes Tangentially.. I haven't done a systematic survey, but in recent days I've noticed that my note links are no longer working. (Formerly created in legacy, trying to use now in legacy)

Thanks @PinkElephant-- so you are using Mac and iOS versions?

> Some long term users are put off, missing features Speaking as a long-term user myself, and I think echoing many others here -- it's quite the opposite. We're objecting to the apparent focus on features over stability and usability (performance).