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On 3/6/2024 at 1:46 AM, PinkElephant said:

Imported notes are basically new notes. They need to sync with the server as any other note.

If the ENEX file is too large, what happens is that the import can't be finished, since the client stops uploading. After a reset of the upload limit, the ENEX import will again start at the beginning - leading to the same result.

There is an option to split the ENEX file into several smaller ones. It makes sense to use it.

EN is miserable.
It is even does NOT allow to migrate 25gb data at once
:-)
what a facepalm software!!!

10 hours ago, stevecu said:

Honestly, I just wish I'd gotten the email warning. 

I knew it was unlikely that v10 would ever reach feature parity, but I had no Idea they were going to just kill legacy like this. 

I assume my warning got caught in an email filter. But this has really screwed me. My Legacy install got wiped by the v10 "upgrade" (my bad for anticipating that). Now I have a huge Evernote Archive file that I can't open without letting v10 put it back into the cloud (stuff I made local after the last security breach).

Any Ideas? Or is this thread just for ranting now? 

Rant, rant rant. I'm mad too.

try to check C:\Users\<user>\Evernote\Databases\<name>.exb 
if file still there, just try to open it with with any SQLlite explorer tool

10 hours ago, ildar170975 said:

The Legacy does not login after startup... May be I did smth wrong. Probably I should have export the unsynced notes BEFORE installing v.10. Life is a pain.

if you have legacy database directory intact
then try to open you .exb files with any SQLlite tools
for example DB Browser for SQLite

10 hours ago, s2sailor said:

V10 is server based only.  It only knows about what has been synced with the server.  It does not know about any notes that you may have had unsync'd.  If you still have legacy installed then you can export the notes that weren't synced and then reimport them into v10/

which means that BS team DOES NOT care about user data and smooth migration.
BS can only request 1.7x more money.

On 4/1/2024 at 2:05 AM, PinkElephant said:

The problem with 7.14: Since it came out, nothing more happened with it. It was the only legacy client using 64Bit code. Since the code sharing with other clients was zero, it was released - and forgotten.

Meanwhile the world kept spinning, competition innovating. That’s the way you ruin any service - by behaving as if you had „the perfect product“. History told otherwise …

people use hammer for thousands of years
and it is still very important tool and manufactures still has a profit on hammers

legacy was a cool solid rock hammer
v10 is like chineese plastic fake

On 4/2/2024 at 4:14 AM, Dave-in-Decatur said:

I will take it that you mean something like "misleading" and not intentionally "deceiving." I'll accept being called many things here, but not a liar.

Everything I said was true. I did not say Evernote would be as fast Legacy. The Electron framework it's built on is the obvious and well-known primary cause of v. 10 being slower. If all you want is speed, then yes, v. 10 is less valuable. If having notes appear identically on multiple platforms (not just Windows or Mac machines only) is of value to you, then v. 10 is better. If having the same formatting functions across platforms is of value to you, then v. 10 is better. If having highly similar interfaces across platforms is of value to you, then v. 10 is better. (No tabs on Mac, no color-coded notebooks on Windows, but a Home page dashboard everywhere.) If having updates delivered promptly is of value to you, then v. 10 is better. (I invite anyone complaining about bug fixes being slow to read the forums for the pre-10 versions in 2018 and 2019.) If having the developers be able to concentrate on solidifying existing features and improving on new ones is of value to you, then v. 10 is better--better, surely, than having multiple teams of programmers adapting new features to multiple platforms in multiple codebases, as multiple bugs accumulate on each of them.

Again: if all you want is speed, Legacy will be missed. If you only ever wanted to work on one or two Windows machines, then Legacy was better than v. 10. But AFAIK Evernote was never intended for that limitation, but to be a tool to work with on multiple platforms, and that is what Electron, despite its drawbacks, facilitates.

my experience with v10 is totally different.
that is why i do not believe you.
you look like PR guy here.

electron in NOT necessary slow, check obsidian, it's a lightning speed in comparison to v10

On 4/1/2024 at 12:57 AM, mackid1993 said:

Evernote v10 does it reliably as well, not sure why it doesn't for you. I have Evernote on 3 laptops, a headless VM, and a second work account on my work desktop and don't have any of the issues you've described. The problems you face are not the norm and I highly suggest you report issues to support. The only thing I can think of is conversion issues related to coming from Legacy. Moving from Legacy is known to significantly slow things down for quite a while until all notes are converted which only happens when a note is opened.

this is hillarious!
I'm ROFLing

ok.
go ahead and continue to use it :-)
but do not cry if you lose important pieces of your data
 

2 minutes ago, mackid1993 said:

Having separate dev teams for each platform is very expensive. They weren't able to sustain that.

On the other hand having two teams (instead of 4, Windows, Mac, iOS, Android), one writing a desktop (Electron) and web client and the other a React Native mobile app allowed the company to survive. I believe this is what @s2sailor is trying to say.

Without v10 Evernote would likely not exist as a platform today as legacy was severely fragmented. The performance difference is due to the use of native platform APIs for each client vs unified platform agnostic frameworks. The cost savings from using platform agnostic frameworks allowed Evernote to continue development after VC funds dried up and allowed them to be acquired by a company with the resources to iterate on that client.

there are lots of ways how to develop cheaper.
v10 is just a postponed death, cause it is NOT a quality product.
lots of bugs are still NOT fixed and will never be fixed.
and speed will never be faster.

so EN ads now is a kind of fraud, trying to force innocent victims to pay money 

22 minutes ago, s2sailor said:

They couldn’t afford the Ferrari and the loan was becoming due.

even based on electron
Obsidian team made ferrari
EN v10 developers made fat ugly bicycle
the mistake is in DNA

i see many customer complains, i saw many v10 bugs by myself
so i do not care if v10 is commercially successful
it is strictly no-no to promote rotten product and make customers loose their precious and sometimes vital data
my experience tells me not trust v10 at all

notion and nimbus are also very slow

3 minutes ago, s2sailor said:

Some history that you may not be aware of, v10 was created by the old Evernote team, and the decision to end Legacy was done by them.  It was officially ended by BS after they purchased it, but the decision to rewrite it for the new framework was made years ago by the Evernote team.

even worse
that those guys decided to replace a nice ferrari with idiotic frankenstein v10
pity story how to commit suicide

12 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

LOL - hyping the very product that broke the company, and forced a sellout.

Doesn‘t get more shortsighted …

the product was awesome, management failed to manage it
for example idiots in Apple almost bankrupted the company once.
and they can spoil it again.

and v10 architects failed to build a normally working product

legacy opens my 300 kb note in 1,5 seconds
v10 opens the same note in 8 seconds
what a degradation!

1 hour ago, PinkElephant said:

Oh yes, a MUCH better place that this forum ...

you think that we allow you to forget how BS made v10 B*S*
and killed a great legacy product?

legacy was industry number one
v10 - is number 999999

:-)

3 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

You got advise how to ask for a refund. 

What are you waiting for ? You need to be nannied by forum members through every step of the process ?

If you want something else, you should again go through the support process, to receive a ticket number. No ticket number, no access to the support system.

people deserve to know how BS treats the customers.

Recently I visited Google Play feedbacks.

Devastating!

People are continue complaining.

BS does nothing to fix bugs and increase the speed.

I left my 1-start feedback too.
 

Good bye my precious legacy version!
I miss you so much!

On 3/27/2024 at 6:05 PM, Dave-in-Decatur said:

Another thing that's been said a million times: Evernote 10 creates a new notes database, and downloading everything can take awhile if you've got a lot of large notes. Once it's downloaded, things speed up. Evernote 10 uses a different data structure from v. 6, and every time an old note is opened it takes a few seconds to convert to the new structure. After that, it will open faster.

this is deceiving and recurring matra.

v10 is ALWAYS slow.
Does not matter how slow 5 second or 15 seconds.
Legacy was MUCH faster!

Period.
 

5 hours ago, Peter Ziegler said:

For security reasons you shouldn't use Windows 7 anymore. It's like leaving your door open when you leave home.

this is nobody's buisiness to force people do something.

On 3/21/2024 at 10:26 PM, PinkElephant said:

You are mistaken about „buying“ any legacy features with your subscription.

i was buying not just cloud, but the product with certain features I like to use.

EN decided to release sh*ty v10 with less useful features and slow idiotic UI.

39 minutes ago, FredJ said:

On this one I agree with you ... function is huge (I've never used my limit either).  That's why it's so important that v10 works as well as v7 did, and I hope they get there... SOON! 

 

 

 

 

 

i was waiting for years that v10 will be acceptable for use.

no. no way. it is impossible.

sh*t will stay sh*t forever!

no miracle will happen!

3 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

Who wants to know ?

You mean who wants to know your opinion?

Nobody wants.

23 hours ago, fuchsfr said:

Today I canceled my subscription.

They offered my 40% off to stay.

I canceled anyway.

Then they told me I get 1 notebook and 100 notes for free. ( a threat that I will loose my data in the free plan)

I canceled anyway.

Then they said it will not go into effect until the end of my subscription.

 

EN is spamming me now with 60% discount offers.

They can go away and "love" themselves.

23 hours ago, ferol said:

In my opinion, the main problem is actually the new synchronization method and not Electron...

We have real time, but that means that every single task is immediately synchronized... and apparently every change crawls the Evernote servers first and then comes back locally. If every change to Tag etc..

In contrast, Obsidian actually uses the sync method that Legacy used.. i.e. priority is done on the local database and sync goes in the background. The same is the local Dropbox. But it does mean a risk of conflicts if done at the same time from different locations on the same files..

 

I had real life practical experience when v10 android client was syncronizing notes minutes and hours. Do not blame internet connection, I live in Europe with good mobile operators.

Some notes pretended as syncronized, but later I got several conflicting copies.

I have no ideas, how could developers spoil the sync logic if 3 sequential changes in solely android client note (single note) transformed into 3 conflicting copies!

Some newly created notes stuck locally forever and I copy-pasted them to my dropbox files.

Legacy version - lighting speed fast with very rare bugs.

So my experience told me that v10 is fat slow buggy bu***it, and I have vomiting when I see it.

On 3/19/2024 at 7:39 PM, agsteele said:

FYI End date for Legacy has been delayed until 26 March.

i will never ever buy EN if they kill the legacy.

On 7/12/2023 at 7:00 PM, BASboy said:

JUST Updating the facts as so many responses have been not answering the question but being Defensive about my thinking of moving on from EN.

So I will state I do not take it lightly to be moving my whole system to another app. I Have been an EN User for well over 10 YRS and Paying PRO Prices to support them. I was a big fan of Phil's who started the company. And I was sticking with the company when he left and the internet was abuzz with 'EN Is Dying'.

SO, what seems to miss most responses is - My Current Notes now take 1+ minutes to open. I have written support and get tickets saying they will get back to me. BUT as of several weeks and several times contacting Evernote Support I keep not being answered and now all of Evernote Staff in the US appears to have been fire., I am beginning to suspect that Bending Spoons is run be a heartless AI with video projections of people. (People missed that this was Sarcasm... so let me now make it clearer #Sarcasm... there, now no misunderstandings, maybe)

So with No Support Response and my notes access problems getting worse, I am starting to look to alternatives that are close to Evernote. So far Nimubs Notes seems like a good Evernote Like Alternative. But open to other suggestions. Please list your app choices and the reason for your choice / maybe some of the functions the alternative app provides. Please DO NOT attack me because I am looking at other options. I realize there are Fanatics out there for so many things, including EN. So try to recognize that I am making this inquiry because I cannot get support and the app is not working properly. BUT if you choose to attack, then give actual FACTS with Links for why is so wrong with my choice and not just state Rumor or Speculation about Nimbus Notes if you Don't have Actual Experience with it. 

Please DO response if you have an actual alternative app suggestion and why. 

I figured there are others looking at possible alternatives and were still on the forums. SO I Thought I would ask Evenote Users that might have some two cents advice to give. 

NIMBUS NOTE PRODUCT OVERVIEW (Just listing some of what they do just like Evernote) 

• All-new note editor

• Groups, workspaces, folders, and subfolders

• Public links to share notes, documents, images, and videos

• Various collaboration features

• Document search and image recognition (OCR)

• Set colors to folders and notes

• Reminders

• Send emails to Nimbus Note

• Screenshot and screencast tools

• AND UNLIKE EVERNOTE... They let you do folders within folders within folders and let you color code the folders) 

EN support is terrible.

They do not want to really help.

I remember the case, when my new EN clients stopped initial sync in the middle with unclear message.

So about 1 month I was unable to use new clients.

Support wrote me idiotic answers and denied the bug.

I've spend about 10 hours of my own time and figured out the problematic note, which caused sync failure.

After I deleted it, EN started to work.

That note was created many years ago on android, and recent at that time windows EN versions failed to process it.

So EN support stole 10 hours of my life.

On 3/19/2024 at 7:20 PM, fuchsfr said:

Is anyone interested joining a class action suit against Bending Spoon for deprecation of functionality during a fully paid Subscription.

 

Basically the suit would force BS to return the delta from March 23 2024 till the end of your current subscription plan. Plus Legal fees.

i would love to do it, but i'm not an USA citizen,

and my english is not enough to read tons of lawsuit papers

On 3/19/2024 at 1:36 AM, mackid1993 said:

FYI, Notion, Joplin, Obsidian, Amplenote, UpNote and many other alternatives are either purely webapps or built using Electron.... just like Evernote. OneNote is native as is Apple Notes but those are made by huge firms that have the resources to build software using native API's particularly Microsoft, moreover in the case of OneNote it is a loss leader and was nearly discontinued a few years ago.

If you're angry at Evernote for adopting Electron for v10, your head will explode when you find out that EVERYTHING uses Electron if it is built to be cross platform. Even Microsoft has built the new version of Outlook that will replace win32 Outlook going forward around their Webview2 runtime which is similar to Electron but serviced as an external runtime rather than being packaged with the application, it's built off of their fork of Chromium.

As Javascript has gotten more powerful with frameworks like React and runtimes like Electron and Node and as webapps become more native-like in terms of performance most software vendors have abandoned native APIs for these applications built using web technologies, JS/HTML/CSS.

It's simply not a valid reason in 2024 to choose to not use a product, it's that prevalent.

lots of apps are based on electron.

but evernote is the worst. is seems that there is a mistake in evernote DNA.

obsidian is superfast with tons of plugins drastically extending the functionality!