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  1. Music and photos are better managed with other apps indeed. Files that are updated often (office, graphics, code etc) are also better managed with apps like Dropbox. Evernote used to work great for visual inspiration and reference though. Things like screenshots, image-heavy articles and images saved from the web are not something you want to keep with ordinary photos. Right-clicking an image in the browser to save it to EN with a link to the source automatically attached is really convenient for collecting. Having 1 note represent a whole project with a bunch of similar images and some textual description is something no photo-managing app can give you. Tutorials where you have 1 key image and a lot of text and additional images explaining how to get there are also best found visually but can't go into a photo app. Advanced tagging and search are also a huge plus when you are looking for that 'contact form screenshot from the You-Name-It site'. I've collected thousands of images with Evernote throughout the years. In many ways the benefits of this app are impossible to reproduce. But none of this matters when browsing this carefully collected data is such a pain. It wasn't always this way. The Evernote I began to use did have the thumbnails that were non-cropped (full & kept the aspect ratio) resizable had non-intrusive titles stood well against the darker gray background That worked really really well, I used it and I paid for it. And I can't understand why making things so unusable was such a high priority to start with. It's the decision the EN team made though and I did not come here to demand they accommodate my particular needs. Just letting the OP know that waiting and hoping can take a bit of forever in this case.
  2. I've started a similar thread back in 2014, but there's zero progress on the issue, and there's no indication that anything is happening anytime soon, so I wouldn't keep my hopes up. I've given up personally and moved my imagery to another app (Inboard in my case but there's a number of other options). No reason to pay for the Premium plan anymore since most of my notes are textual now and fit the Basic plan just fine. It's a pity because I really liked having Evernote as a library for everything and didn't mind paying for that at all. Guess my use-case just doesn't fit this company's business plan anymore. It used to.
  3. I have shared my grievances with the way the thumbnail / card view kept changing with each of the recent releases in the EN Mac v.6 thread, but I didn’t provide much of an input on how it could possibly change to get better. I felt that thread wasn’t a proper place for that, so I’m starting a new one. To be honest, I’m struggling to imagine a use case that the current card view would be perfect for. It’s pretty, it looks organised, it maybe even works somewhat for some people, but can it be said ‘this is a problem, and this card view solves it in great way’? Maybe it can. I will not take it on myself to know best for everyone. But in my own experience the snippet view is more comfortable for about anything containing both imagery and text, while the card view is simply not adequate for browsing notes that contain images alone. It used to work well in earlier versions of EN but then it started going downhill and never stopped. As someone who designs, draws, takes photos and is in the process of renovating the house, I collect a lot of reference, inspiration and stock images and have a lot of uses for them. While my experience is obviously not all-encompassing and universal, it’s probably relevant enough to be heard and taken into consideration. So here are few things I observed as an image-collecting user of Evernote: 1) Titles of the image notes have very little importanceWhen I’m looking for an image, I'm looking for colors, shapes, recognisable layouts and details. Text is the last thing the eye recognises. It’s useful for performing a search, it’s important for verifying the right image was found, it provides additional information about the image, but during the scanning process itself it’s a major distraction, at least in the current implementation where a glaringly white block easts 1/3 of the picture. It would be much more comfortable if the title was subdued or removed completely until the item is clicked for getting further information. 2) Cropping an image is a very bad ideaYou never know what I save the image for and no algorithm can ensure that important part remains visible. I save an interior picture because of a nice chair, you crop out the chair in the preview and I have one hell of a time clicking on random images trying to find it again. I take a screenshot of the site and remember the header as a way of getting back to it, you show me the middle of the content zone in the preview, and the middles of the content zones of a lot of sites look exactly the same. I save a bunch of similar looking stock photos and decide that I need one of the portrait-oriented ones, you cut all of them to a square, then leave 2/3 of it, so there’s no way to tell which ones are in portrait and which ones are in landscape, I’m back to clicking again. This cropping business never fails to frustrate me. 3) Resizing is a big dealI have a lot of images. And sometimes I need to scan a big bunch of them to find that one I remember. This is when I need as many thumbs on the page as I can get. Other times I have few selected images that I need to compare or see the detail of, so it’s important to see them close enough. Images aren’t text. You can’t find one acceptably readable size that would fit all. An image can contain 1 letter or few pages of text. Ability to resize is essential. Evernote had it. Mac OS Finder still has it, so do most applications that deal with imagery. Removing it was a big blow to my sanity. 4) Background needs to stay in the background Most popular image and photo editing applications have a dark interface or the ability to customise it. Majority of images aren’t black, and dark background helps them to stand out quite a bit as opposed to the light one that tends to mix with the images and titles while scrolling and causes a lot of eye strain. There are images that benefit from the light background but for most mid to deep grey does a much better job. It’s also much more soothing for the eye. These are the points I consider most important and surprisingly Evernote had all of them implemented at some point but then decided to take all of them away for reasons unknown to me. If these features were simply put back in, Evernote would be an adequate tool for image collecting again. Version 3 worked. Here are a couple of other interfaces that I wouldn’t mind EN to take inspiration from: one, two. There are few more features that weren’t there before and would be a cherry on the top: 5) Smart folders (or anything that solves the ‘lifetime library’ vs ‘single project’ issue)This one would be useful for all types of notes, but I found the lack of existing solution to be a particular pain with images. Inspiration, stock and reference are collected to be used. But when the time to use them on a project comes, it turns out to be surprisingly difficult to manage. Creating copies of everything will accumulate into immense waste. Search is a very awkward way to jump between different sets of images, even if one completes the quest of finding how to save one. There is no hierarchy, no way to attach it to particular project for current and future use. Tags are also not the best solution. The problem with images is, they do not have a searchable body. So if you want to later find a picture of ‘a girl in a pink dress with flower pattern holding red and blue balloons’, you have to describe all key points in tags. When you deal with images a lot, tags end up becoming a purely descriptive / search tool. Using them for organisation becomes impossible. There needs to be an intuitive and convenient way of gathering the library and then picking a set of images from it for particular project without moving or duplicating them. 6) Auto taggingImage orientation, size category, dominant colors – these are properties that would not be hard for Evernote to detect (other apps do it, Colorstache did it for Evernote library). Of course the user can add all of those by hand with many hours of manual labor, but it could be one of those little ways for the company to show it cares. 7) Full site screenshot from web clipperCurrent viewport is just not enough. Exercises with printing to PDF are hardly an efficient workflow. This is an age old problem and something Skitch could do before you bought and improved it. I was your non-premium user for quite a while. For my web clipping and text note purposes the free account was more than enough. It’s when I discovered the perks of collecting images with Evernote that the increased traffic suddenly became an initiative to upgrade. Once again, I don’t know your statistics, neither I know reasoning of your other paying customers, but logic tells me that users that store a lot of images, audio notes and PDFs in their accounts are pretty much guaranteed to pay you. I find it a bit puzzling that on your way from version 3 to version 6 you’ve managed to make image collecting this much harder. Is there any hope left? Despite the title of the thread, I’m not really asking to drastically change the card view. That would be taking away something people use and probably love, which rarely is a good idea. But could you consider adding some kind of gallery view that would make viewing the image notes bearable again? Yosemite's cover flow background would work just fine. Non-cropped images in thumbs and ability to resize them is also an Apple way.
  4. One more vote here. Not expecting anything sophisticated. Monospace font and respect for formatting would be a huge help.
  5. It's definitely experienced differently. And the designers are supposed to be fully aware of it. Subtlety is often a sign of a fine work but that's also something only people with well calibrated monitors can appreciate. Unfortunately, such people are not in the majority. So while showing attention to details is great, it's not something to try on critically important elements. It's inconsiderate and will make a lot of people upset. My posts in past few days had much more criticism than praise. I don't agree with a bunch of recent changes, but as a fellow designer, there are a lot of things I can relate with as well. My monitors are alright. I like subtlety. I wish I could design in confidence that everyone will see things the way I see them. And when I go to this site for example, pick a nice bright color and put my Evernote window on top of it, I can see good intentions behind some design decisions made. I could actually find a lot of excuses and explanations for the way EN looks at the moment. But it wouldn't change the fact that it doesn't work. The problem is, I'll never have that kind of color as my wallpaper, because it would be very distracting. And most of the time, I will have another app window under the EN one - something white, like this forum page. A lot of people will have all that and a poor monitor to top it off. And they need to be comfortable using the app anyway, because this is not a design gallery item, it's a tool for getting work done. This is not even an edge case (though developers on such level are supposed to take care of those as well), it's a reality for a lot of people. Sometimes designer's ego has to take a back seat, no matter how sad it makes me personally as a designer.
  6. The light grey in the card and snippet view are an obvious mistake, but other than that I actually do believe that EN team saw potential readability issues with all the sacrifices made for the UI to look modern and unified and invited experts to verify that text/background contrast ratio meets at least the most modest of requirements. I do feel that the form took over the function in quite a few places, that some text reads worse than it possibly could, that icons aren't looking that good on non-retina screens (which is something I'd wait before doing as 'Retina' screens in sizes comfortable for work are still in thousands of $$), but most critical text does stand out against its background enough to be readable. I do wonder if there were any checks being made regarding the contrast of the layout itself though. For example have they checked the difference in time and comfort levels between finding let's say a '3rd item from the top in the 7th column on section A' and '2nd item from the bottom in the green column in section B', because this is where this new UI fails its users the most. There is no contrast between elements, no visual hierarchy. The eye is forced to look for the target on the whole canvas every time instead of finding a smaller block intuitively and only then spending resources on the search.
  7. That was version 1, I believe. 3 looked a bit more refined and lively. I felt at home in that one. Also I actually quite liked the deep grey and green of version 5, despite all the ruined functionality. But we have to be fair here, that version 1-3 IU unchanged would look really dated in modern versions of OS. Even version 5 would feel a tad off. But they could have made cosmetic changes while keeping the color, the brand and usability where they were before. I think version 2 vs 2.5 for another app I use and love is a decent example of that. They have added that Yosemite sidebar, cleaned up the icons and went easier on some gradients, but since they kept the colors and good contrast, there is no loss of familiarity or usability. It's still the same app that I could use even if the language was suddenly set to Chinese. They'll probably ruin it trying to look cool for version 3, but at the moment it's a nice example of not looking completely out of place in a modern OS and not going bland at the same time. There are plenty of examples in the app store and on the web of the interfaces that look modern and yet welcoming and highly usable. Talking about fair, my App Store version of Evernote updated without any issues on Yosemite. All the notes and their titles are in place as far as I can tell, the responsiveness of the application is really good too. Other than frustration with the new UI and new functionality not being much of a use for me, this update was a nice smooth experience. @MarcusSotware Siberia isn't that bad of a place actually. I don't think it's fair to put all the responsibility for your design team's decisions on Apple. They are not supposed to design the app for you. Using controls that look native to the system is a natural way to go, but is it all that Evernote is made of? Is it going to be some kind of faceless utility from now on? Are you sure you are reading the Apple's guidelines right? Do they really say "have no face, have no color, make sure not to excite your user in any way, make their eyes hurt, make their experience as miserable as possible, make sure they feel like they are locked in a white room with nowhere to go and a job they absolutely hate'? All apps looking the same soon is a horrifying prediction. That would be utterly depressing and very hard to use. I've been a loyal fan of Apple for quite few years now, yet I'd definitely be switching platforms were that to happen. Thankfully I don't think this is the way things will end.
  8. In the sea of companies there are always a few that stand out from the rest and achieve something special. For designers, and especially those involved in interface design, Apple has always been one of the companies to look up to. But I actually feel that Evernote was one of those companies as well. I was never a big fan of green but you made me develop a great liking towards that particular shade because of how you used it. There was warmth to it. There was life. And it stood out. There were many applications made in compliance with Apple’s guidelines, and Evernote for Mac felt at home in Mac OS, but it also had a face of its own. It made you feel like application’s team had a vision of their own, like they developed something they took pride in and had a full control over, something that promised to last. Recognisable colors, all those patterns and textures you used, all the fun illustrations, little interactions that surprised a user in a good way – those were the parts of one big and rich experience, fun and engaging. You had the brand a lot of companies would kill for. Apple have made a lot of questionable decisions with past few versions of their operational systems. In attempt to get rid of the gloss and some color excess, they also threw away a lot of individuality, engagement and old good usability. But at least they are making their own mistakes. I did not expect you to just follow. When I look at EN Mac 6.0 I can surely say that it’s modern. I can definitely call this design clean. The way the elements are positioned is pleasingly balanced. But is it usable? Is it engaging? Is it recognisable? Is it something a person can possibly fall in love with? I’m sorry, I’m leaning towards a ‘No’ to all of these. It used to be a big 'Yes'.
  9. Good design is the design that works before anything. Good design solves problems, not creates them. Aesthetics is only a part of what constitutes great design, and not even a most important one. Any designer worth his salt will tell you that.
  10. I’ve been your premium user for a while now, but you don’t see me on these forums making feature requests often. The reason is, I don’t feel I’m entitled to every feature I may possibly want. I paid for the app I saw, because the features it offered when I saw it were just right for me. Any new additions from that moment would be just a nice bonus. The problem is, you started to take things away. Somehow each major redesign you make adds a bunch of cool features that I don’t need and takes away something I actually care about. I keep paying same money for the app that gets progressively worse for me. I’m an ordinary computer user, maybe a tad on the power side. As it often happens, I have a bunch of apps open at the same time and I switch between them to get my job done. There are few things I need to feel comfortable: 1) I need to be able to swiftly locate the app’s window on my screen or in the bird view (Expose/Mission Control). Evernote had that. It had character. It had a face that stood out. Now I’m just lost. My browser window, my Mail client, iTunes and now Evernote - everything looks the same. I’m wasting precious moments of my life on trying to tell them apart. 2) I need the ability to find things within the app as fast as possible. I use Evernote many times a day. Seconds matter.And Evernote had that at some point. The areas of the app had good contrast between each other. My eyes were landing on the target area right away, and with high contrast elements and proper buttons, finding things was intuitive and effortless. Now it’s gone. Now all I see is the sea of sameness and I don’t understand why. I don’t understand why Apple had to remove color from their system a while ago, forcing me to start reading labels and studying exact shapes of similar looking icons, and I don’t know why you had to go and follow their bad example. 3) My job is graphic & web design, so collecting stock imagery and visual inspiration is one of the primary Evernote uses for me. And this is the main reason I’m paying for premium as well. All that imagery does weight quite a bit.Evernote used to have a thumbnail view, where images were showing in full, the titles were displayed as secondary information and thumbs were actually resizable, so I could make them big enough to see the details I needed. You took that away and replaced with the card view that was not resizable, that cropped all the images and made the titles prominent but they at least were taking their own space and that darker background was really nice and allowed imagery to stand out. With your previous redesign you took that medium gray away, replaced it with pale grey and overlayed the title over 1/3 of the already cropped image. But well, at least it was somewhat see through. This update made the background pretty much white and made the titles fully opaque. So now all I see is small non-resizable image thumbs cropped to a square and then nearly halved with a completely unnecessary title overlays, all on nicely whitish background that nothing stands out against. Here is what it looks for me now. How far do you think I can scroll before feeling dizzy? How easy it is to find an image I need when all I see is an awkward and often random fragment of it? Why... it's not like I'm demanding new things. It used to be there and worked. Chat is a nice addition for Evernote business, I guess. Context is probably useful for something. It’s nice to see you, guys, moving forward. But I struggle to find any joy in these nice additions as the primary functionality of the app is deteriorating for me. As I have years invested in Evernote and it became a really important part of my workflow, I’m still grasping at straws and trying to cope with all the improvements you make. But the way it goes, soon I’ll stop being masochistic and will finally move my imagery elsewhere. Then I’ll try to cope with Evernote’s stylish and very Apple-like design for my text notes and saved articles. But this time for free. Sorry, I’m generally not a person who throws hissy fits over the software, but previous redesign has upset me quite a bit and I really hoped that a new one would ease the pain, but you managed to make it even worse. Evernote is an important part of my life and work, so this situation upsets me more than a little.
  11. I think 2-3 extra themes would definitely not harm an app that deals with high amounts of various content. It's not just our sight conditions that vary, but the ways we use the app as well. For example I don't see much use for the light on dark mode for the notes themselves – for me light sepia scheme would make a much better reading, while dark on white is just fine. But was I using Evernote for code snippets and switching between EN and my code editor, I'd definitely prefer the dark mode to avoid contrast between environments. Since I'm in a visual profession and use EN for collecting a lot of imagery, for me it's the light background of the Card View that kills my eyes. I scroll though images a lot and the content just does not stand out enough. The process makes me sick and strains my eyes a lot. I don't even need a new theme. I'd kill to have the old one back. The one where full-screen Card View had a dark grey background and there was generally a much healthier contrast between the elements of the application. I design myself and I really appreciate the aesthetical aspect of things, but to be honest, I can't wait for this flatness-lowcontrast-lackofcolor fad to go away already. It may be beautiful when done right and appropriate, but it's not meant to be applied to everything. Some things are supposed to be functional first.
  12. For me the answer was using Chrome. Google provides an extension called 'Screen Capture'. It takes 2 mouse clicks or 1 key combo to capture an area on the page, visible portion of the page or whole page. It saves the file in the location you specified using the title of the page as filename. You also have an option to add extra steps to the process to allow you some basic annotations and picking the location for each file you save but I personally skip those, so for me whole process is: Shortcut -> Drag the image from Desktop to Evernote. Done. You can probably make it even faster by using some AppleScript. You could pick a folder as your default saving location and then enable it to automatically import files to Evernote and then delete them. I didn't go this route only because I need to run a resizing action on some of the images before importing.
  13. laaurora

    mac Skitch 2.0 - Mac

    I believe a lot of thinking and hard work went into this launch and usually I try to be appreciative and open-minded when it comes to updates to the products I use. But this one is just not doing it for me unfortunately. I'm your premium subscriber and I used skitch.com for hosting, so I'm not very affected by the change, yet I do find the move itself to be quite in poor taste. You took 2 great free products that a lot of people had years to learn to depend on and merged them together in a very limiting way. Skitch was something you used without thinking. Its traffic was free and unlimited. You took it away. I do feel personally affected by some other changes though. I actually paid for Skitch's premium account not long before you acquired them, so I could have direct URL to my image copied to the clipboard automatically. Sometimes it makes a lot of difference in the workflow. You took it away. And you did same for ability to pick my output format. And aiming for that small arrow in the corner of sharing icon is real pain. I almost sent my image by mail 3 times before I managed to aim well enough to see other options in that drop down. Cropping and resizing feels much worse now. While older Skitch had somewhat childish interface and felt odd in native Mac OS environment, it made those things really smooth and almost intuitive. I didn't have to make an extra click to activate crop tool and I definitely didn't have to drag each of 4 handles individually from the center of the image just to get them back to the edges of the original so I can start looking into what I want to leave out. Who said I want that small rectangle in the center? How often would this scenario actually happen? Why? Resizing is even worse, because I need to activate the tool and then use small switcher to toggle cropping/resizing while it was a matter of using a simple handle before. And after this I'm getting a slider that's nowhere close to precise. I just couldn't get my picture to be 640px in width exactly. The slider suggested the numbers that were near that but never that. I could get the size right in a matter of seconds in older version. And if my hands were shaking too much to achieve the result for some reason, I always had advanced instruments in preferences where I could input exact numbers from the keyboard. Everything just feels like more of a hassle, including the extra click/keystroke I now need to confirm my selection when taking a crosshair snapshot. But this move I can justify at least. Why can't I choose the thickness of the lines and size of the text anymore? Paint bucket? Removal of menubar icon? Why? At least integrate it into Evernote's clipper icon and let me get rid of the one in the dock. It has nothing to indicate, it's a satellite tool for Evernote, so there is hardly a reason for it to sit there, occupy the space and distract attention. And I also have very mixed feelings on the new interface to be honest. It's much more clean for sure and blends into Mac OS much better but it seems to lack polish a bit. The shadow looks too strong for a light background and the 'drag me' handle does not feel like something you want to touch. It appears plain, thin and fragile. I somehow feel dark grey background for the 'Evernote' section (that btw fails to indicate the way to get back to editing an image) would work much better and provide contrast between tools, background and image that current implementation lacks. To be honest, despite its quirky look Skitch 1.X was one solid application that did a lot of things right. It was fast, effortless and free. If I were to ask something more, it would be: ability to take screenshots of full page in the browser alternative formatting styles (I know this look gives Skitch a character but sometimes you need things to be presented in a bit more serious manner) ability to accept handwritten text from tablets tighter integration with Evernote on Mac and iOS that would make basic editing of images within Evernote possible (iPhone image size please) This update added pixelate tool that is acting funky (it looks fun but I could hide things with color before), removed dozen of features, made most basic tasks much more of a hassle and made whole app feel unstable and buggy. I'm trying to stay positive but this is something really hard to appreciate.
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