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  1. Here's a screenshot of the hotkey options. The screen capture works - but only when Evernote is running. For some reason the "Alt+N" didn't show up on the create new note hot key -- but it is there in the options and it is one the hotkey combinations that actually works. None of the hot-key combinations work unless Evernote is running. Even then, not all of them are working. When Evernote is running, I can create a new note and I can do a screen capture using hot keys, but the other options are not working. For any of it to work, Evernote must already be running - which is not required if you're using a Clipper add-in. Essentially, part of what is missing is a stub that will process the hot-keys or context menu options and start up Evernote to process them -- which is major functionality not available unless there's a program or add-in running to do it. Evernote needs to install a service that runs automatically at Windows start-up which processes the hot-keys and puts options on the context menu. I do understand that there's an option to automatically start Evernote at Windows start-up, but that's not the same thing. Look how long it took me to identify the issue. Then, there's the fact that the user can exit from Evernote - which kills the clipping functionality, where they're hightly unlikely to stop a service. If you want to have a generalized clipper, there has to be an automatically started service that manages it for it to work consistently and not generate training and support problems.
  2. Neither of the key combinations worked on my Windows 7 x64 machine. The problem is that there's nothing visual that clues the user in to what they need to do like the clipper button or context menu options available within a browser or within Outlook. Perhaps, you could set it up so that when you install EN for Windows, it adds the context menu items. We do have speical requirements: Non-profits that use a lot of volunteers who are difficult to train and keep trained, and the cost of software (Microsoft Office & Outlook for example) which cannot be a requirement for a volunteer who often works on his or her own computer. I do understand what you are saying, but you've chosen to implement a clipper which is easier to use in Outlook than anything available to be used with other email clients. Just the fact that the key combiniations you stated don't work on my machine tells me right off the bat that there's an installation and configuration issue which goes well beyond "Download and install this thing from this link". In the environment we are discussing, less functionality is a better option than functionality requiring a lot of support to make it work on a volunteer's machine and training the volunteer to use it. When there's a button to click or a right-click context menu option, the ability of the computer user to figure out how to do something goes up dramatically. I'm not gigging you because you abandoned the Thunderbird Clipper. I'm simply giving you the courtesy of explaining why we will most likely abandon our efforts to make Evernote work for the specific customers I've been discussing.
  3. I tried the ctrl+Avlt+V technique and it didn't work from Thunderbird or from Firefox. Doing it the same way isn't the only issue. I simply point out that the clipper works extremely well and has some excellent feautures that are not available simply using a clipboard technique --- ctr+alt+v isn't as easy as being trained to use the context menu and look for what you want to do. This works with all kinds of applications in addition to Evernote. We find that training someone to use the context menu is the most universal thing we can teach them for most applications. Having a button to click isn't even as easy because it's less universal and you have to know the image associated with the function.
  4. Without the clipper tool, it also means that you have to clip from a website one way and clip from an email a different way - which increases training issues.
  5. Forwarding an email to Evernote doesn't give the control needed because it isn't real time. You forward the email and then it appears in EN at some time in the future. I don't understand how the Evernote Windows Desktop Client allow me to clip something from Thunderbird. I selected something in a Thunderbird email message & right-clicked, but there are no Evernote related options on the context menu. I do see that I can copy text to the clipboard, bring up EN, click on New Note, paste the text, and go from there, but that's not as simple as having EN come up automatically with the text already in a new note, ready for finalizing. The workflow issue is tailoring something in a Thunderbird email and getting it into Evernote as easily as possible. The more clicks and steps, the more difficult it is to get people - especially volunteers - to comply.
  6. When I started evaluating Evernote a few months ago, we were using a web based helpdesk, which meant the customer communications via email & helpdesk forms could be clipped to Evernote within a web browser. Unfortunately, the help desk we used has raised their prices, putting it beyond the reach of our non-profit clients as an email & organizational tool. We've made a decision to move away from that solution and to a desktop email client. We chose Thunderbird because one of our missions is to use tools that are low-cost or free whcih we can then help our non-profit clients implement in their environment. I realize that Thunderbird was not supported at the time we started working with Evernote, but at that point we had no plans to go to a desktop email client. The problem facing us is that there's no desktop email client which supports IMAP and which supports the Evernote Clipper other than MS Outlook and for this customer base, the cost of Microsoft Office products simply isn't an option when OpenOffice and Thunderbird are avaialable for free. So, we are faced with a dilema: Without Evernote Thunderbird support, how do we make use of Evernote in a manner which allows us to use Thunderbird efficiently? WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO LOOK AT A DIFFERENT EMAIL CLIENT if one exists that will run on the Window & Linux platforms and which supports both IMAP and Evernote. We'd even settle for an email client that supports both IMAP and Evernote only on Windows. Unfortunately, it appears that no email client other than Thunderbird exists which meets our requirements. What that means is that we're more likely to abandon Evernote than to abandon email use. I'm interested to know how others manage creating notes in Evernote from a desktop email client. I may be missing something simple that solves this problem. What we did before is select the text and clip it to a note where we would then adjust the title, tags, and notebook as needed. We could even use Clearly to clean up the formatting before selecting what we wanted to post.
  7. When I first started using Evernote, I thought I had to have a sticky note interface for Evernote. Having used it for a while, I no longer desire a sticky note interface, but there is something else I would like: A Windows gadget that would display the results of a saved search. The titles would display, scrollable in the gadget, with the ability to click them and bring up the note and the ability to click to add a new note which meets the saved search criteria, so it would then appear in the list. I've found that the Evernote note interface works fine as a replacement for a sticky note. What's missing, is the ability to have the list of sticky notes displayed on the screen without displaying the complete Evernote interface.
  8. I'm talking about assigning or searching on a tag - which I plan to keep to a small number, even if I have 500,000 notes.
  9. Ultimately, it's really what works for you and avoiding a few pitfalls like huge numbers of notebooks or tags. I like typing in "w" and seeing walnut, weird, whoopee - because it's too easy to make a typo and misspell "woopee" and then not being able to find that note.
  10. Sounds like your requirements for organization are greater than mine and your perseverance in keeping it beats me as well.
  11. Actually, if you put keywords in the titles, you are tagging the notes so you can search on them. Instead of adding keywords to the notes or note titles, I tag them. My brain must work differently from yours because it is easier for me to put stuff in a notebook from a drop-down list and then have hints about the tags or be able to look at the list in the left panel. In the past, trying to remember and maintain "a solid naming system" is exactly what has always done me in.
  12. Well, how do you use the "notes" tag? If it is for notes you take in class, a "notes" tag could be very useful and it's just a shorter way of saying "classnotes" Same for "personal" If you can have personal receipts and business receipts... I'm glad to see you have pruned the number of notebooks. You have a similar number to me. What you had before would have driven me nuts... And They're coming to take me away Ha Ha They're coming to take me away ho ho he he ha ha to the funny farm where life is beautiful all the time, and I'll be happy to see those nice young men in their clean white coats and they're coming to take me away ha ha....
  13. If we had to limit ourselves to 10 adjectives to label the world, it would be a poorer place. Don't feat a larger number of tags; just learn to create them judiciously. Exactly It's not how many tags you have, it's having tags that are easy to remember, easy to use, and to not create multiple tags for the same thing (a "dinner" tag and a "supper" tag) I use a tag for each of my clients. That's easy because I know their name and so typing in the tag without getting duplicates is easy. Often, my client's name doesn't appear in the note, so I tag it. I also tag my Code notebook notes with tags like "PHP", "SQL" or "JS" - Because code snippets don't necessarily have the language in them. I also use tags when the topic of the note is a word that is so common It would likely appear in a lot of unrelated notes. "parent" could appear in a lot of notes, so I use a tag "parent" for MY parents. That way I can easily eliminate the notes talking about "parent" and child tags, or news articles about Mrs. Obama's skills as a parent. The tricks are to not use tags for stuff you can easily search, and to be careful about tags where you could end up with multiple tags for the same thing. Other than context tags, and client name tags, I have about 10 or 12 tags. I expect it to grow some, because I already have an idea about what tags I will need, but haven't created a note yet on that topic. For example, I don't have a Ruby tag or a Python tag yet. If I had 10 clearly defined contexts, I'd have 10 context tags, but I don't, so I have 3: @grocery @home @work. Just remember that the idea is to use EN to make your life easier, not to create a bulletproof filing system that you have to constantly think about, reorganize, or remember a lot of stuff to remember how to use it.
  14. And, one more thing: There are trade-offs for varying degrees of organization. This trade-off is different for various types of information. Considerations include, how often the information will be accessed, the volume of information stored, the time and effort required to store and organize the information, and the time and effort required to retrieve it. A big advantage of EN is that you can use it for loose and simple organization of information, or you can tighten it up and impose much more organization on the information. You can even organize information in different ways. This is a big advantage because while the gist of the HBR article and the comments here are correct, some types of information do require more organization than other types of information.. The trick is to determine which way to organize various types of information and how much organization each type needs and then only organize that type of information to the extent required - and no more. We have customers who are required by various regulations to store their informaiton for varying amounts of time. Our customers regulated by SOX cannot delete any email and must retain it for at least 7 years. We provide them with a WORM (write-once-read-many times) archiving system which stores all incoming and outgoing email. This not only guarantees all email is retained. If they went into court, the archiving system will standup as proof they have not edited their email. The organization on it is to, from, date, subject, and then the bodies of the emails and attachments -- All searchable, by those fields or just a one big bucket. In the industry this is called "discoverable" as in the "discovery" phase of a lawsuit. The organization of this archiving system takes advantage of the fields already present in the emails stored. It would be like being able to search all of the email received and sent to your entire company for at least the last 7 years - with search tools that are more powerful, faster, and easier to use than the search capability of Outlook or Thunderbird. In fact, many of my customers pare down Outlook to what they are currently working on because everything is so easily accessed from the "discoverable" archive, either from a desktop tool, from anywhere Internet access is available through a web browser.
  15. I have some programming experience but certainly wouldn't consider myself a developer. When they finally do roll this out, I would be interested to know why it is so difficult as, on the surface, it doesn't seem like a difficult problem to add another date field to the database. Would be a great blog post for the Evernote Technical blog to explain some of the inherent difficulties to overcome with implenting changes in a database that spans many OSes and devices. There are no technical hurdles unles the data model and coding of EverNote are ***** - which I don't believe because it seems to be reliable, speedy, and an elegantly simple design on the front-end. Normally, you will see usability and reliability problems if the coding isn't pretty good under the hood.
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