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DTLow, I am not an expert on internet businesses and have not crystal ball. As I thought my note made clear, this is an impression, or a guess if you wish. I haven't seen any significant feature changes in years, and this internet search makes clear that there are questions about how well the company is doing, but I hope they will succeed. I'm a long-time premium user and have found many aspects of Evernote admirable. At the same time, they have never been very responsive to appeals to give users more choice in configuring the interface and organizational structure, from font sizes to folders. Please don't think I'm an enemy, just someone who wonders, based on the app update history and articles like those you will find here: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=evernote+staff+layoffs. Cordially, Jeff Byers
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Nesting Multiple Notebooks / Creating Sub-Notebooks
jeffsf replied to cswsteve's question in General Feature Requests
See https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/96180-nesting-multiple-notebooks-creating-sub-notebooks/?do=findComment&comment=496455 -
Nesting Multiple Notebooks / Creating Sub-Notebooks
jeffsf replied to cswsteve's question in General Feature Requests
Good explanation. I have done much the same, and then, because the remaining tags are still many in number, I have organized them into alpha master tags. All the tags that begin with the letter A are under a master AAA tag, those that begin with B under a master BBB tag, and so on. Your approach is creative and, as you say, makes the best use of the tool we have. Still, one can hope for a future when the hierarchy is built into the system rather than created by the users as an add-on. -
Nesting Multiple Notebooks / Creating Sub-Notebooks
jeffsf replied to cswsteve's question in General Feature Requests
Yes, I also find tags useful. The main utility of tags is for cross referencing and to make searches easier. However, the nested tags can add another layer of utility. The issues with that are [1] the afore-mentioned failure to implement them on iOS and [2] the laboriousness of organizing them. With folders, one creates a folder inside another folder and puts the desired info in it. With tags, one creates a tag in the master list, then drags it across all the other tags to the appropriate master tag, then does a search for appropriate notes, which may be hard to find because they are not yet organized, then tags them. It's doable, but much less convenient. If one uses tags as a cross-reference and search tool, there are likely to be many of them, making them harder to browse. Also, there is no hierarchy in the pull-down menu at the top of the notes list, as there is for stacks and notebooks. One has to switch from notes to tags to browse the tags, so one goes back and forth, back and forth. All this churn makes Evernote more difficult to use. If there were hierarchical folders built into the interface, life would be so much easier. All that said, it is enormously encouraging to see a sign that Evernote is no longer stonewalling on this issue. So we can live in hope. -
Nesting Multiple Notebooks / Creating Sub-Notebooks
jeffsf replied to cswsteve's question in General Feature Requests
Yes, but... Tag hierarchies are not implemented on iOS, so they become useless there as a substitute for a notebook hierarchy. It is not possible, I think, to create a new tag already nested under another, so creating a tag hierarchy is laborious. -
Add field on business cards in desktop and andriod
jeffsf replied to Sanguineti's topic in Evernote General Discussions
It's stunning that such a basic feature would be missing. I just did a business card where the website address was not recognized. The resulting note is useless. -
Nesting Multiple Notebooks / Creating Sub-Notebooks
jeffsf replied to cswsteve's question in General Feature Requests
Right, but not on iOS, making tags a non-starter as the mail organizational system. -
Nesting Multiple Notebooks / Creating Sub-Notebooks
jeffsf replied to cswsteve's question in General Feature Requests
Flier, All well said and convincing. And in a world of flamers, I appreciate the measured and useful tone of your comments. I confess to getting worked up and being less than my best self on line sometimes. Your reply is a reminder to take a deep breath. Thanks. -
Nesting Multiple Notebooks / Creating Sub-Notebooks
jeffsf replied to cswsteve's question in General Feature Requests
I applaud you for being able to do so, but the phrase "cope with" says volumes. At their best, programs make things easier, rather than presenting challenges to be coped with. I've been waiting, fingers crossed for a long time, but now I'm moving away from Evernote, or rather, making it an active but far less central part of my work flow. -
Nesting Multiple Notebooks / Creating Sub-Notebooks
jeffsf replied to cswsteve's question in General Feature Requests
As observed by several people, Evernote has been very consistent (one might say obstinate and not particularly customer-focused) in not implementing a hierarchical system of notebooks and sub-notebooks or folders. As a result I have turned from a consistent evangelist, turning many people on to the program over the years, to simply an individual user. I use it less and less, as I more more and more material back to the Dropbox/computer file system. I just think it's sad that a program with so much potential suffers from this limitation simply because it's creators seem to have a zealot's ideological opposition to an intuitive system that millions have used successfully and happily for years. Folders would cost them so little, and benefit them and the users so much. -
Nesting Multiple Notebooks / Creating Sub-Notebooks
jeffsf replied to cswsteve's question in General Feature Requests
Tags might be an adequate substitute if they were fully implemented and integrated. On Evernote for Mac one must go to a separate screen. The main view is organized around stacks and notebooks. If tags are to replace that "old fashioned" folder-like tool, then they should be built into the core note view in place of stacks and notebooks (and, if Evernote were fully functional, sub-notebooks). However, the make or break issue for tags is that they are not implemented in iOS. True, they *exist*, but only as one long unmanageable flat file list. There is no way to browse them in a hierarchical way, so they CANNOT function as a tool to organize information hierarchically. Evernote assumes that Find should be the main organizational tool. Find is helpful, but categorization is equally important, and sometimes way more important. I don't ask partisans of Find to give up their tool. I just want the choice to use fully-implemented categorization. What's so wrong about that? Why isn't there a choice? Would implementing subfolders be so difficult? Dropbox does it on the web and the desktop. I think the reason there are no sub-notebooks is that the Evernote staff think they know best and are intent on teaching all us poor fools to be "modern." Bottom line: I love tags, but they are NOT a substitute, unless they are built into the most basic interface and implemented on all platforms. -
Nesting Multiple Notebooks / Creating Sub-Notebooks
jeffsf replied to cswsteve's question in General Feature Requests
But those were not his customers. They were the people who didn't buy and promote his product. He asked Model T customers and the result was the Model A, a better car.