Nathan T

I get why they're making the change, but it does seem like quite a user-hostile move to blindside people with it with no warning. IMO a more reasonable approach would have been a warning that the limits would be changing in 3-6 months.

I'm concerned this is another death spiral indicator. It seems like it'll be very difficult for them to attract new users given such a limited trial, along with how many former evangelists they've disillusioned at this point.

9 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

The use of notebooks is not the best way to install GTD anyhow. As you noticed yourself, it creates a lot of movement of notes. A personal productivity method should result in less, not more movement. Movement is waste, lean philosophy teaches.

If you would use tags instead of notebooks, the notes can stay where they are. Just the tags are applied, and later erased.

Unnecessary *physical* movement is waste. In Evernote moving a note between notebooks is (or should be) instantaneous, and is more convenient than removing one tag and adding another, which you'd otherwise have to do to change the task's status.

This has been going on for around a month and a half. Support claims it's being worked on, but for now it appears the daily email summaries of notes with alerts due that day miss around 10-20% of the notes they should include. Just posting in case anyone else relies on those and hasn't noticed.

The guy who spends all his time shilling in the Evernote forums, talking about people having nothing better to do.  The way things are going, you may need to get a new hobby.

There are multiple people in that thread claiming to have heard it directly from laid-off employees, and that the layoffs happened today.  Yeah, it's possible it's made up, but more likely it's true, and will be more mainstream news in a day or two.  There were also massive layoffs back in February, which is probably the discussion you're thinking of.

Apparently they just fired the majority of their developers, so I won't hold my breath. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36609641

I'm becoming convinced Evernote doesn't actually believe in regression testing.

For the past week and a half or so, about 90% of the time, quick notes don't work on Android.  I didn't notice this at first and lost several notes, because the only indication is hasn't worked is a quick flash of red on the screen, and then the app is crashed the next time you try to open it.  This is happening on my wife's phone as well, so much be a fairly common issue.

Not losing notes is about the most critical feature there is for a note-taking app.

Meanwhile daily reminder digest emails have been missing reminders for close to a month now, and moving notes into large notebooks is now basically impossible. 

I narrowed down my issue to moving notes to large notebooks. I have a "done" notebook where I keep completed tasks - often useful to search when or how something was done, and easier to put everything in there than to try and decide what I might need later. It has 17k notes currently, and was consistently very slow to move into since this problem started. For now I've created a temporary done2023 notebook to work around it.

Unfortunately in doing so I realized that unlike any filesystem, EN considers moving a note to be an update and changes the updated date.

Yeah, I sent them logs too.  Also got a laugh out of the fact that my logs were absolutely filled with this:

[Unprompted upsell] Tiggered logic to display Unprompted upsell {\"currentTime\":\"2023-06-16T07:31:27.800Z\",\"willBeTriggerdAt\":\"2023-06-26T07:26:52.000Z\"}

On 6/19/2023 at 2:50 PM, Nathan T said:

FWIW Support confirmed that this is a known issue, then claimed it was fixed in 10.58.5, but it isn't.  Still suffering through 30s+ note moves around 1/3 to 1/2 the time.

14 minutes ago, gazumped said:

You do need to let them know there's an issue before anyone is going to look at it at all.  I already raised a ticket on this,  but more feedback helps...

Yes, I did let them know. They told me it was fixed. I've since let them know it's not in fact fixed.  I'm not confident they understand the issue though, as they've been referring to it as "notes loading slowly", despite me correcting them.

Ah, nope, problem's back.  Oh well, maybe they'll fix it eventually.

Lots of well-written Windows programs will prompt you on uninstall to ask whether you want to remove the associated data.  Unsurprisingly, Evernote is not one of these.

On the plus side, since deleting the profile folder and reinstalling, I haven't had a slow move yet, so maybe that did it.  Thanks for the idea.

I don't think there's need for a special tool. You can just remove the Evernote folder under %APPDATA% after uninstalling. (Though it would certainly be better if Evernote's uninstaller had an option to clean up its files.)

Interesting, so yeah, it does still sometimes do it while offline. I've already tried completely uninstalling and reinstalling, but maybe I didn't delete the profile folder...  Or maybe their fix fixed an issue that was corrupting the local db.  I'll try another clean install.

35 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

What happens if you go offline before moving ?

Same delay => it may be your local database is corrupted, and requires replacement

Fast(er) => The delay is related to syncing

By "go offline", do you mean disconnect from the internet?  Or is there some way within the Evernote 10 interface to go offline?

FWIW Support confirmed that this is a known issue, then claimed it was fixed in 10.58.5, but it isn't.  Still suffering through 30s+ note moves around 1/3 to 1/2 the time.

1 hour ago, Randy Zeitman said:

Who is supposed to see this and what will they do when they do?

If 98% percent like, or better, the product why should they value the 2% approaching demanding 'superior or bust'. 
 

What do I care who sees it? I'm frustrated that a product I used to love and still rely on has gotten worse over time, and this is a way to express my frustration. If indeed 98% of Evernote users are happy with the way the product has gone, then I guess yeah, they shouldn't care. I doubt that's the case, but who cares what either of us thinks. Certainly not these bendy spoon folks.

I did it every day, so I'm quite sure it was possible on Android. You could long press to select the first and then tap to add multiple notes to the selection.

The absolute gall of nearly doubling the price, touting all their supposed new features, when the current version can't even perform simple tasks (like moving multiple notes at once on mobile) that the legacy version did years ago.  Not to mention the frequent slowdowns that are still rampant.  If those issues are still present when my subscription is up in September, and I'll be shocked if they aren't, this will be my last year as a paying customer, 2013-2023.

Many of these are newly created notes, not ones from legacy, so it shouldn't be related to conversion.

45 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

Anything special about these notes, like size, attachments or similar ?

How long since the last full install of v10 ?

No, regular notes with a title and a line or two of text mostly. Has happened a couple more times since my last post; seems to happen as often as not now.  My last (and first) full install of v10 was about a month ago. Regretting that decision some.

Make that three times in two days.  About 45 seconds this time.

I'm on 10.57.5 on Windows 11.  Most of the time moving notes is relatively fast (although the whole interface blinks every time I do, which is a bit annoying and didn't happen on legacy). But twice in two days now it's given me that modal box and locked up for a good minute before moving the note.

Since the last update a couple of times I've tried to move notes between notebooks and it has taken over a minute for the note to move, with a dialog "Moving 1 of 1" and an infinite progress bar.  This should happen instantly and then sync in the background.  There should certainly be no need for a dialog and a progress bar!

For anyone else annoyed by this, I just worked out how to make a little AutoHotKey (1.1) script that detects when the Evernote Quick Note window opens, and automatically clicks the button to open the main Evernote window.  Note that because Evernote is all Electron web nonsense now, the buttons don't have unique labels, so I had to click by position.  The quick note window is always the same size, so this works fine, but it's possible if your resolution is different you'd need to alter the x/y positions.

#Persistent
SetBatchLines, -1
DllCall("RegisterShellHookWindow", UInt,A_ScriptHwnd)
MsgNum := DllCall("RegisterWindowMessage", Str,"SHELLHOOK")
OnMessage(MsgNum, "ShellMessage")
Return

ShellMessage(wParam,lParam) {
    If (wParam = 1) { ; 1 means HSHELL_WINDOWCREATED
        WinGetTitle, title, ahk_id %lParam%
        If (title = "Evernote Quick Note") {
            ; Wait for the window to be active before clicking
            WinWaitActive, ahk_id %lParam%
            ; Send a left click to x=200, y=100
            ControlClick, x700 y90, ahk_id %lParam%
        }
    }
}

Then you need a saved search for every stack you want to search, bloating your sidebar or taking multiple clicks to get to. Why not just make them searchable in the obvious way, like they were before this supposed upgrade?