Different Colors for Highlighter

[chunkit721 7]

Hmm I counter this problem for a while.

 

It seems to me that I can only change the color of the font rather than the highlight when I call out the "show colors" option under format.

 

Does it mean there is only one color available for highlight at the moment?

[MissMackBailey 0]

Hi. Wondering if anyone from Evernote is going to respond and provide some feedback as to whether this is a feature that will be added in an upcoming release, or if this is a feature that will not ever be implemented so we as users can set our expectations accordingly. Anyone?

[amanda_h 290]

Hi @MissMackBailey,

The feature request forum is a means of letting the Evernote development team know what things you'd like to see implemented, however it doesn't guarantee that the features requested will be added to the application.

[jefito 4,989]

16 hours ago, MissMackBailey said:

Hi. Wondering if anyone from Evernote is going to respond and provide some feedback as to whether this is a feature that will be added in an upcoming release, or if this is a feature that will not ever be implemented so we as users can set our expectations accordingly. Anyone?

In my experience, and based on the comments of some Evernote employees, they don't often announce upcoming features until they're almost ready to go (and you can see them in beta releases), nor do they often definitively rule out future development directions. All in all, It's probably better to base your expectations on what is actually in the product than what may appear some time later.

[lbatt 5]

Premium user - converting to One Note if they don't get multi color highlighting. So stupid for a notes program not to have. The freebie apps I use for editing PDFs on my iPad ALL have it. Can't be hard to do.

[DTLow 3,451]

4 hours ago, lbatt said:

Premium user - converting to One Note if they don't get multi color highlighting. So stupid for a notes program not to have. The freebie apps I use for editing PDFs on my iPad ALL have it. Can't be hard to do.

There's a huge list of features not offered by Evernote, and highlighting colors is a minor entry.
However, if that is what's most important to you; you should look elsewhere.

Personally, I value EN for its data organization and search features.

I do find the note editor quite basic.  
When doing serious work, I often switch to dedicated apps.  
When finished, I export the work to PDF and store it in Evernote.

[rekag 1]

please make this happen!! I've been waiting for this feature since 2013. Software such as OneNote allows for various colours to highlight with.. I don't see why this has been overlooked.

[Hjallehar 0]

+1

I really want different colours aswell. Except for yellow Id like green, blue, orange, pink, purple, red! Please make this happen.

 

[janetmsewell 0]

I agree. I use different colors to highlight different aspects of text. Like where the conclusions are, where the questions are in the text etc. This is a very basic and needed function - especially for students.

[Michael UK 3]

Yes it is annoying that you can't choose a highlight colour. If you copy and paste the text to another app (Word or Text Edit) you can select a highlight colour, then copy and paste it back to Evernote. The colour is then displayed - so why can we just pick a colour instead of messing about in another app?

[emroskop@gmail.com 0]

please,please,please....     more highlight color  

[meny 2]

I absolutely don't understand this feature missing from the web client. Highlighting, at least in a single color, is an essential feature for annotating text.

[Sofiya Chepurenko 2]

I absolutely love this app and I find it extremely useful for my studies but I can't believe that such a great app doesn't have the option to change the highlighter's color which is an important and basic feature! 

Can you please please please add it? It would be perfect! 

[achille83 0]

I'd like to use different colour of highlighter in my notes...is there any planned updates for this?

Thanks in advance for the support

[DTLow 3,451]

3 hours ago, achille83 said:

I'd like to use different colour of highlighter in my notes...is there any planned updates for this?

Thanks in advance for the support

Highlight colours have been requested, but there's been no response from Evernote.

You might want to go to a request post and add your vote.  For example

 

[achille83 0]

Ok, thanks!

[Nicholas Quixote 0]

Yellow Highlights don't display at all when Flux.app is used. Many people use it. . Apple in it's wisdom  has incorporated this feature in iOS, it's probably only a matter of time it's in the desktop OS. Help us out evernote. Please add different colors so we can see our highlights without eye strain!!

[jojojo 0]

Yes! Need badly! Please add! 

[simonholland 1]

Lack of highlighting in different colours has been driving me mad ever since started using evernote in 2008. This has always been my top annoyance.    Clearly the code is already there,  since, as noted by others,  highlighted text pasted in from other apps happily displays in other colours. Essentially all we need is  a  highlighting colour widget alongside bold and italic, etc. to give native access. One reason that this is  now super urgent is that when  f.lux  switches on evening screen colours on MacOS, the existing yellow highlights become completely invisible making a nonsense of highlighted evernote texts. Pretty please  could you fix this. It would  make  us all so happy. Many thanks for considering.

[Joe B 0]

I agree with Sofiya.  Please give us this feature.  I makes note taking much more efficient.  Much better.  I work in two languages and having two colors of highlight would be awesome.  Thank you.  ขอบคุณมาก

[MrsCuriosity 0]

+1 Feature Request: Add different highlight color options just like EN offers different font options.

I agree with Kunoslav that more pastel highlight colors make the highlighted text much easier to read than dark or neon colors.

Like another poster, I would trade text color options for highlighter color options.

[gru034 2]

It's clear, they simply don't want to do it or they don't read their own forum. This request exists "for ages" (and it's difficult to understand why they introduced a single color highlighter only). It would take them couple of hours more + some testing to fix this useful feature (this is just a different color and existing color selector can be used for that!). They rather introduce less important stuff (e.g. note reminders etc.). As well, there is no quick way how to report bugs (and possibly missing features) right from the app. If I spot an error (and I've encountered numerous bugs so far), I won't definitely go to forum and report that (and I'm pretty sure many others neither). This is simply too cumbersome to me. If they need to track a bug, they can start a forum thread themselves. It should be no.1 priority for them to identify and fix bugs to keep their users happy, but to me it seems it isn't. I don't see any real progress in development of the desktop app. (especially concerning the central point - editor). To me Evernote is love and hate at the same time, but these rather small issues and inability to resolve them for a long time are killing the app & Evernote reputation. That's just my opinion on that. Peace

[mrclm 0]

I very much would appreciate the ability to highlight in different colors across all the platforms I use (Windoze & Android and very rarely iOS on my iPad).

[Frank B 0]

I've been using Evernote for a good while, but only just stumbled on this comments area. I would also like to see the addition of 'changing' colour highlighting - it would be very handy - I note the comment re chrome adjunct - shame I don't use chrome -I switched to firefox - need perhaps to look into firefox then.

[Chan 1]

I would very much like to have more colors available in the highlighter.  The lack has been bugging me for a long time.  I did not know this particular forum existed, so I finally sent a request for enhancement to support and got referred here by the expert network to add my voice.  I don't know which works better to get this prioritized, but it can't hurt to do both.

[MrsGixxer 6]

I too am looking for different colors for hi-liting.  Not only do we not have enough colors, the color we have is quite ugly.  Please Evernote, add this!! 

[Rocket J. Squirrel 41]

I request you give us the same colors as currently exist on the Amazon Kindle.  Kindle users who are already heaving highlighters can continue with their same workflow.

[wheazel 0]

Yeah, absolutely!!!!

[xmasmoneky 28]

You need to build support for different color highlighters - because it's YOUR fault that I want them now.

I read your recent blog post about the Eisenhower Matrix - where you recommend using different colors to highlight tasks that are urgent & important, vs. important & not urgent, etc.  You convinced me!  And now I find out I can't highlight my task list using the colors you suggest.  Don't tease me, bro.

[DTLow 3,451]

18 hours ago, Bruno Schmitz said:

Why, after 2 years, this simple resource isn't implanted yet?

One answer would be because most (like of 90%) are unwilling to pay for the product
Development work costs money

I saw a beggar leaning on his wooden crutch,
He said to me, "You must not ask for so much."
And a pretty woman leaning in her darkened door,
She cried to me, "Hey, why not ask for more?"

[Edith K 1]

please add this feature, and I'm speaking as a paying customer. the yellow colour does not allow me to colour code. 

[DTLow 3,451]

1 hour ago, Edith K said:

the yellow colour does not allow me to colour code

I use the text colour feature to colour my code (Mac)

global yyyymmdd, dddd, scriptLog, scriptStatus

property scriptLog : ""

property scriptStatus : ""

 

set scriptLog to scriptLog & return & (current date) & " Evernote Reminders Script started"

 

GetDate()

[Wizzouk 0]

On 2017-6-3 at 3:08 AM, xmasmoneky said:

You need to build support for different color highlighters - because it's YOUR fault that I want them now.

I read your recent blog post about the Eisenhower Matrix - where you recommend using different colors to highlight tasks that are urgent & important, vs. important & not urgent, etc.  You convinced me!  And now I find out I can't highlight my task list using the colors you suggest.  Don't tease me, bro.

This has been missing for ages and is an obvious feature to get implemented.  Tired of sitting next to colleagues using OneNote colour coding their lists and to xmasmoneky's point, your blog post even talks to colour coding.  The irony :).  Workaround of having a master note to cut and paste is an annoying workaround for what should be something relatively simple to implement. 

Upvoted

[RobLewis 25]

+1

[Tintoretto 0]

+1

[Eduardo Estefano 45]

+1

[Shapes 0]

Yes please!!

[thebangzats 0]

Years later and this is still not implemented? I'm surprised. +1.

[flx.iglesc 3]

+1

[akb1ajay 0]

Yes. Need different colours for highlighter.

[gru034 2]

They are literally ignoring this (easy to implement) feature for years now. I basically resigned on this as there seems to be no light at the end of the tunnel..

[RichB_Indy 0]

Evernote may be the only app which has a highlighter function that doesn't provide the ability to change highlighter color.  This is embarrassing.

[pharmDplease 1]

I am a paying user and i am dumbfounded that there is no option to change highlight colors... it is literally a note-taking service. What is with this?? And why is it taking light years for Evernote to even acknowledge the missing feature, much less add it??? This is a MUST!

[David Shandler 0]

I agree with the appeals for the highlighter to be available in various colours.  It is amazing that after more than a year-and-a-half there doesn't appear to be a response here from Evernote.  Are these requests registered?  Would you please respond to the long list of queries?

[Stoppa 2]

Hi there. It would be good to be able to change highlight colours. I use the highlighter feature quite extensively and it would be great to be able to highlight part of a sentence in yellow and another part in pink etc. More or less what people do in physical notebooks.

[flx.iglesc 3]

Until now, two years and 195 positives points...

How many years and points are need for Evernote finally decides to include different colours for Highlighter?

[estevancarlos 4]

This is one of those features I assumed they had and is shocking they don't. This is probably more in demand than their presentation mode.

[Greenhouze 2]

I have used the pay version of Evernote for 3+ yrs, however, I will not be renewing. Because of the lack of this essential feature which is really basic table stakes for any enterprise "note taking productivity" app, I was swayed to check out One Note, which not only offers multi-color highlighting but other end-user friendly functionality that Evernote continues to ignore, I've now been converted. Sadly its goodbye Evernote!

My parting ask- How about you try to throw a very obvious much-needed feature bone to your customers every now and then and I might come back.

[MrsGixxer 6]

Greenhouze like you I have been a paid subscriber for several years. I'm very disappointed in Evernote's lack of attention to this issue.  I haven't decided yet what I am going to do but I did use OneNote prior to Evernote and loved it.  I just may go back as well and I already have it so it will be an easy switch.  

Evernote you need to stop ignoring us.  

[Pat123 0]

I was sure I just had not seen the option to change the color. I said to myself "it cannot not exist, right"? Then I googled for it and found this thread. I can't believe such a simple feature is not implemented.

I too have been a paying subscriber for quite a while, but there are more and more things that have been annoying me lately with the Windows client, this lack of coloring me being one of them. I'm been trying out OneNote for a few weeks, but I don't really like their Android app for now. Might take me a while to get used to it thought, it is quite different from the Evernote app.

[qianyi 1]

good idea

[chezbuttons 7]

I understand that this is a minor feature, but it would also be trivial to implement. So why not just do it?

And frankly, many of the major upgrades are features I don't want, or or don't like after I try them, or don't work properly and waste my time. Evernote's core business is (was?) note-taking. At least get that part right!

Take a clue from Amazon: every tiny piece of friction in the user experience can add up to the customer looking somewhere else for gratification.

[Pbnj 1]

Very simple idea in coding wise. Have options to choose different highlighter colors. The current yellow is hard to read and barely stands out or at least for me. Plus apparently, studdies show that using different color pens when writing notes will help you study the same applies to highlighters. The only obvious difference is if you use all black or whatever, highlighting certain sections will become faster to find. If I'm wrong, blame my history teacher lol. Well, it works for me at least. If this is a thing already then help me find it cause I'm pretty sure I've looked everywhere lol.

 

Thanks for listening to my ramblings ^w^ Have a good day! Cheers!

[CraigZ 20]

Another vote for this feature.  I use different colours to designate the purpose of the information. 

As to the comment about "development costs money"

• there are plenty of paid users on here asking for this,
• since you can paste in other colour highlights from Word, it can store and display it, so we only need the interface to offer us the colour choice.
• if "development costs" is the driving factor, then offer basic highlights for the free users, and multi-colour highlights as an upgrade feature.  [Along with so many other usability requests, like styles, that power users would pay for, if they aren't already paying]

[CraigZ 20]

On 9/14/2016 at 4:58 PM, DTLow said:

There's a huge list of features not offered by Evernote, and highlighting colors is a minor entry.
However, if that is what's most important to you; you should look elsewhere.

Personally, I value EN for its data organization and search features.

I do find the note editor quite basic.  
When doing serious work, I often switch to dedicated apps.  
When finished, I export the work to PDF and store it in Evernote.

Except many people consider different colours and formatting as important visual organizational tools.  [And incidentally, so does Evernote who has had blog posts on that point]

There's quite a bit of room between here and the power of dedicated apps.  Note taking is serious work.

[jefito 4,989]

44 minutes ago, CraigZ said:

As to the comment about "development costs money"

Please use the forum quoting feature so that people know who you're replying to. Thanks.

[DTLow 3,451]

1 hour ago, CraigZ said:

since you can paste in other colour highlights from Word, it can store and display it, so we only need the interface to offer us the colour choice.

Confirmed; Looking at the html code (actually enml), the colour is stored.  I can actually modify it with a text editor.

<div><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 250, 165);-evernote-highlight:true;">Highlighted</span> Text</div>

[gazumped 6,593]

On 03/12/2017 at 5:37 PM, Pbnj said:

If this is a thing already then help me find it cause I'm pretty sure I've looked everywhere lol.

Hi.  No,  it's not a 'thing' and colors have been requested before - can't comment whether it may be simple to code,  but it's more a question of the number of other feature requests and bug issues the team are dealing with.  There's a running order for work in hand,  and Evernote don't (usually) comment on when or whether a feature will be added...

[ObsessedOrganizer 2]

I really do not understand how this feature has been missing all these years when they know there has been numerous requests for it?

[OneDrop 2]

yeah!!  come on!!  I cant believe there is only 1 color for highlighting to chose from and a  a "yucky yellow" !!  :(....

 

please fix

 

[Jay Frantz 2]

I agree with all comments!

[TK0047 210]

More customization and color coding is definitely something I would enjoy. I end up using different font colors within notes anyway but to be able to use the highlighter with different colors would be most welcome.

[estevancarlos 4]

I don't necessarily believe Evernote should be too bloated with features however many of us have come to expect many of the features that are bundled with Google Docs. That should be a baseline in 2018. Obviously Evernote is not there.

The product as it works fine but does anyone know if they intend to make any feature additions or changes at all?

[Gauthier 7]

That would be so useful !

[CarnackPesci 0]

I really need more colors for highlighting !!

Anyway there is no highlighting even in there... 

VOTED THIS

[jyl 3]

Premium user for many years and this is such an obvious flaw.  

Evernote:  Please respond.

[Jay-Bob 61]

On 2/12/2018 at 10:02 AM, jyl said:

Premium user for many years and this is such an obvious flaw.  

Evernote:  Please respond.

We're looking into it! No estimate yet on when/if to expect this, but agreed, it is a great feature request. Thank you for being such a longtime Premium user.

[TK0047 210]

9 minutes ago, Jay-Bob said:

We're looking into it! No estimate yet on when/if to expect this, but agreed, it is a great feature request. Thank you for being such a longtime Premium user.

Nice to see an employee response/feedback for sure. I am sure everybody appreciates that. Thank you.

[simonholland 1]

Thanks TK047 - I do  so hope this finally happens....

[Eduardo Estefano 45]

+1. 

[Evan C 0]

Adding in my support for this! I'm doing initial qualitative data analysis and notes coding, and having highlighter colors would really help speed up my research progress (especially since I depend so much on Evernote now). Please please please add in this feature!

[ZakSmith 1]

+1 it's a little ridiculous that a note app doesn't have the ability to highlight in different colours. 

[Tsiry 1]

Do we have an update for more colors in Highlighting please? As an Evernote Premium user, we hope an improvement would be soon on this.

This is very basic, so please since 2015, how many years do we still need to wait?

Thanks

[Dave Land 9]

On 3/29/2018 at 1:51 PM, Tsiry said:

Do we have an update for more colors in Highlighting please? As an Evernote Premium user, we hope an improvement would be soon on this.

This is very basic, so please since 2015, how many years do we still need to wait?

1) Update, from Twitter on Sunday, attached as an image below.
2) How many years do we have to wait? More. More years.

[LazulineMidna 4]

+1 Please add more highlighter colors

[RenJeka 1]

How many people need to vote so that the developers include this feature? I want this feature most of all !!!!!Where can I vote for it?

[RenJeka 1]

On 05.05.2018 at 16:03, DTLow said:

Why would you then pay for a premium account?
Why are you still posting in the Evernote User forums?

DTLow, I understand MrsGixxer : Evernote is a good and very usefull product, it has many functions that are not available in most text editors. Besides it is a quality product, fronted constantly update. Therefore, we as honest users =) have to pay developers a salary, especially since this is not such a high price. Just want a very necessary function, which many editors have.

[DTLow 3,451]

8 hours ago, RenJeka said:

Evernote is a good and very usefull product, it has many functions that are not available in most text editors. ... Just want a very necessary function, which many editors have.

Evernote's working for me for the filing of all my data.
The editor is free and ok for basic notes;
for anything else I use dedicated editor apps; Word/Pages for word processing, Excel/Numbers for spreadsheets, ...
All these files can be included in the note package.

[s2sailor 690]

On 5/4/2018 at 10:10 AM, RenJeka said:

How many people need to vote so that the developers include this feature? I want this feature most of all !!!!!Where can I vote for it?

I hate to be cynical but I see no correlation between voting and what features get added.  Once in a while Evernote's direction seems to randomly intersect with a user request but it doesn't happen often.  The voting mechanism does help to keep the number of +1 posts in check ?

[DTLow 3,451]

On 5/4/2018 at 7:10 AM, RenJeka said:

Where can I vote for it?

Voting buttons are at the top left corner of the discussion

 

1 hour ago, s2sailor said:

I hate to be cynical but I see no correlation between voting and what features get added.

Maybe, but if nothing else, it's a mechanism for users to indicate to support for a request.

[Vladislav Krakhalev 0]

It's so unbelievable that in Evernote which is may be better application for notes there is no so simple function. Please do it, it's not take a lot of your time.

[vikas23 0]

+1

[LondonAppDev 0]

+1

[Philz7 1]

Wow, this was posted years ago. I thought it'd been implemented by now. Let us pray.

[Vladislav Krakhalev 0]

They definitely doesn't reading this thread  I'm thinking to cancel my premium subscription..

[SamuelG 0]

The yellow highlighter is great. But it isn't enough. Virtually every application now offers multiple colors for highlighting. Please add this feature to Evernote. It would greatly aid in managing and coding information. It seems like a fairly simple coding task. 

[DTLow 3,451]

[xmasmoneky 28]

Colors are needed to take advantage of the Eisenhower Matrix (a very popular time management tool).

[Jay-Bob 61]

2 hours ago, Chan said:

Jay-Bob,

Thank you for picking this up.  I'm sure we all appreciate it and I'm trying real hard not to sound like a total jerk, but this does not need a trade-study.  I see that the first post in this thread is almost 5 years old, and if I understand correctly, there are other related threads.  I think that reading the thread(s) should provide what you are looking for.

thank you,

chan

I hear you. In addition to what we already have, I'm trying to gather different use cases in personal and shared contexts to try and help the product team prioritize this amongst other feature requests. I agree, this would be a nice feature to have. At this time there is no ETA, but we're still listening. Please do keep the feedback and different use-cases coming and I'll keep the product team up-to-date as we continue to reassess in the future.

[Dave Land 9]

There are thousands of reasons that people might use colored text highlighting. Maybe millions. Maybe a different reason for each user.

Here's an article from Fast Company that explains "How Color Coded Notes Make You a More Efficient Thinker."

Here's another reason, and I think it's compelling:

• People who have been asking for this for half a decade have concluded that you're not listening to them, so they've moved on to other platforms.

And after waiting five years, we get homework assignments from you: "Prove to us that you need it badly enough." Oy, vey!

Instead of "Refreshing the Evernote Brand," whatever that means, why not give your loyal users the features that have been asking for?

[TheMattyMiller 1]

We have a color library for our notes that identify different priorities. 

Green - good to go

Yellow - still processing

Red - Needs Work

[LondonAppDev 0]

11 hours ago, Jay-Bob said:

Thank you all for your continued votes and feedback. To gather more specifics, can you please provide real-world scenarios on how you work and where different highlighters would make an impactful difference helping your workflow? Personal and collaborative situations described would be very useful based on your experience.

 

Hi Jay-Bob,

Thanks a lot for looking at this.

I work as a software engineer. To try and keep focused and also improve my time estimation abilities, I have a system which works as follows:

1) I write down my next take along with the time I expect to be able to comfortably complete  it to a high quality standard.

2) I work on the task until it's complete or I am totally blocked.

3) I then highlight the task as follows: Green - I completed it before or on the estimated time, Orange - I completed it but I overran the estimated time, Red - I got totally distracted and didn't get it done or grossly underestimated it.

As an example, a morning would look like this:

The above screenshot is from Google Docs, but I would love to be able to do this in Evernote.

Hope this is useful.

 

[Sandlin 0]

17 hours ago, Jay-Bob said:

Thank you all for your continued votes and feedback. To gather more specifics, can you please provide real-world scenarios on how you work and where different highlighters would make an impactful difference helping your workflow? Personal and collaborative situations described would be very useful based on your experience.

 

Example: Two users reading the same text document create highlights in different colors to indicate which statements were important to whom.  Also, the EN yellow highlighter is too faint and barely noticeable, especially if your screen is set to warm hues (to reduce blue light).  The need for noticeable and distinguishable highlighting of text is a basic concept of note-taking, but the existing EN highlighter tool is of low utility.  We need different highlighter colors; please add them.

[jyl 3]

You have time for "Rebranding" but not enough time to add highlighting which is a key function of notetaking.     I'm ready to abandon ship if we dont at least get an explanation.  This seems so disrespectful

[xmasmoneky 28]

While I get the frustration that this feature hasn't been built yet, we now have an Evernote employee actively engaged on this topic.  Let's take advantage of that vs. venting frustration.  Rebranding by the way involves a totally different team than the product/engineering teams, plus keep in mind there are likely hundreds of threads just like this one with people passionately making the case for their particular feature.

So again - I understand your frustration, but let's instead overwhelm the Evernote team with evidence on why this feature should be a priority.

[simonholland 1]

On 8/28/2018 at 8:23 PM, Jay-Bob said:

Thank you all for your continued votes and feedback. To gather more specifics, can you please provide real-world scenarios on how you work and where different highlighters would make an impactful difference helping your workflow? Personal and collaborative situations described would be very useful based on your experience.

 

 

Every day I import documents  and emails into Evernote and create large quantities of lists and notes that
need to be reviewed and reconsulted and modified over subsequent days and weeks.

The point of different coloured highlighters is that it makes it possible  to highlight text 
with different colours in order  to represent different perspectives, issues or concerns
that can then  subsequently be relocated visualised and actioned rapidly

This is fundamental to how many  people, including me, work on paper, and  how I desperately wish I could  work in evernote.

 

 

 

 

 

[RonElDoradoHills 0]

Not sure whether Evernote is working on this or not. I use Evernote for studying and it helps to highlight parts before presentations. Different colors could be used for different significance of the points I'm learning and working on remembering

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[GdSM 0]

I definitely want this feature too.

[DTLow 3,451]

Evernote has not indicated an interest in highlight colours

I recommend you check out the EverTool app

 

[Vladislav Krakhalev 0]

In reality this tool isn't convenient, because you need in any case where you need to transform text do cut-format-paste action. It wastes time. And also some people bought premium subscription, why need pay again?

[Fins 0]

Five years since the first request and still waiting! I shouldn't have to paste into a competitor's product, do the highlighting then copy and paste it back into Evernote!

Case scenarios:

A traffic light system for the progress of work.

A system to prioritise a list.

A list of features for software: green for included, yellow for requested, red for no flippin’ chance. What colour would we have for this request?