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20 hours ago, DTLow said:

I always thought of mind-mapping as a different discussion than Evernote's information management.

Foe example, I have a receipt which I may need in the future.  I can stick physically put it in a filing cabinet; I can scan it and attach it to an Evernote note.  How would you use mind-mapping to store a receipt?

Given that both XMind on the desktop and iThoughts on iOS support file attachments in nodes, rather easy. Drag & drop. You don't get a searcheable OCR inside that receipt.

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Yes, OneNote is prettier than Evernote.  Can you describe how the receipt would be stored/retrieved in OneNote?

Same way you do it in Evernote. Actually multiple ways - see the screenshot from iOS client (I use it much more often than the desktop, simply because my IPad Mini is always within reach). I can photo the receipt from inside ON and insert in the page as a searcheable image, which is exactly what I do with receipts. If I have an existing file (e.g. PDF), I have two ways to insert it - either as a searcheable "printout" on the ON page (I.e.every page of that file is searcheable, visible and readable in ON), or as a file attachment (no searches inside file, takes much less screen real estate). I pick whatever method I need - e.g. for credit card statements, there's no reason for me to search inside, so I use the file attachment method to minimize the amount of scrolling. Inserting any kind of document can be done either from another program by "sending" or "printing" that file to ON, or from within ON. There's also an option to email to "me@onenote.com" email address, in which case it saves the email with all attachments as a new page in a preset default location (notebook / section).

The second screenshot shows the same file inserted both ways, as an attachment and as a searcheable printout.

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Howdy, EN Power Users:

It is time to pay a COMPLIMENT to the Evernote Team... which is now well deserved.

Yesterday I UPDATED to v. 6.0.6.1769 (301769) Public ...

 

My immediate observation is:

  • **dramatic** IMPROVEMENT in SEARCH SPEED

 

I have been a subscriber since 2003... and have been less than impressed with EN's efforts to listen to Power Users to move EN forward.

I personally appreciate this new robust speed search capability very much!
Thank you Evernote for a meaningful and practical improvement.

 

I hope this post proves helpful.

Sincerely,

~ Alan

 

UPDATE - 5/5/2016 - I actually am **thrilled** with this UPDATE speed performance enhancement... the pain has been relieved! If this is a portend of what is to come with EN's new CEO... it will be much welcomed by Power Users! Thank you, again!

 

 

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On 5/3/2016 at 4:58 PM, ab1kenobee said:

Howdy, EN Power Users:

It is time to pay a COMPLIMENT to the Evernote Team... which is now well deserved.

Yesterday I UPDATED to v. 6.0.6.1769 (301769) Public ...

 

My immediate observation is:

  • **dramatic** IMPROVEMENT in SEARCH SPEED

 

I have been a subscriber since 2003... and have been less than impressed with EN's efforts to listen to Power Users to move EN forward.

I personally appreciate this new robust speed search capability very much!
Thank you Evernote for a meaningful and practical improvement.

 

I hope this post proves helpful.

Sincerely,

~ Alan

 

UPDATE - 5/5/2016 - I actually am **thrilled** with this UPDATE speed performance enhancement... the pain has been relieved! If this is a portend of what is to come with EN's new CEO... it will be much welcomed by Power Users! Thank you, again!

 

 

 

Has anyone else noticed meaningful EN improvements since EN's new CEO has taken charge?

 

~ Alan

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9 minutes ago, ab1kenobee said:

Has anyone else noticed meaningful EN improvements since EN's new CEO has taken charge?

I have not seen a change in the speed of the program (Windows .Evernote version 6.0.6.1769 - 22,800 notes in my primary account)

From my perspective, the CEO has been invisible except for the memo he issued back in September last year.

The only user feedback I have seen since he came on board was a survey asking us what price we will accept.

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I think more employee participation in the forums, productive and helpful participation at that.

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7 hours ago, ab1kenobee said:

Has anyone else noticed meaningful EN improvements since EN's new CEO has taken charge?

LOL, I haven't noticed a single meaningful improvement to EN in years.  Nor a single meaningful statement.  The good thing is they've set expectations so low that it doesn't even occur to me to even expect improvement, or even bother posting like a suggestion would ever be listened to, the only reason I'm posting here is I got a thread notification.  If anything, the only thing I'd expect from a new release would be further destruction and dumbing down of the product, aka the "new" web version.  Which I haven't looked at in probably 6 months since once I saw how they had destroyed that, but again, why bother?

My use now is very limited, I don't use much any more.

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Rip Evernote.. Was a paid user for several years, but I will not commit a second more of my time and notes, to a company that requires a lifetime pay for its most fundamental use for me, which was instant access between devices.

we all own a phone. So intersystem sharing impossible unless I don't have it on phone?

so if I am a paid user... And then deside not to pay... 

Watever. I don't care if other options not as good. This is wrong on principle.

we invested time in your product. We invested money, we supported it.. I recommended it to at least 100 people..

 

and you spit in our face like that? (Not to mention conveniently timed with 40 percent more for subscription.

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43 minutes ago, lykoz said:

we all own a phone. So intersystem sharing impossible unless I don't have it on phone?

This is completely untrue. You should educate yourself on the new rules for free accounts and managing your devices. They've been posted often enough; check the original topic by gbarry, where you've already posted and made this untrue claim.

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2 minutes ago, jefito said:

This is completely untrue. You should educate yourself on the new rules for free accounts and managing your devices. They've been posted often enough; check the original topic by gbarry, where you've already posted and made this untrue claim.

I saw that post, and it kills the functionality on demand completely. Especially with regard to phone use.

no goodwill from this company. They forget their place, as a note taker.

they have alienated a lot of people, whose whole lives don't center around Evernote. Some of those more 'casual' users, were paid users for many years, like myself.

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56 minutes ago, lykoz said:

Rip Evernote.. Was a paid user for several years, but I will not commit a second more of my time and notes, to a company that requires a lifetime pay for its most fundamental use for me, which was instant access between devices.

we all own a phone. So intersystem sharing impossible unless I don't have it on phone?

so if I am a paid user... And then deside not to pay... 

Watever. I don't care if other options not as good. This is wrong on principle.

we invested time in your product. We invested money, we supported it.. I recommended it to at least 100 people..

 

and you spit in our face like that? (Not to mention conveniently timed with 40 percent more for subscription.

I own a phone.

I paid for it, and I pay for my phone service, and I pay for my internet service

It never occurred to me that anyone was spitting in my face

Evernote is one of the few companies offering free a free service level

And we can continue to use all our devices.  I added more details here

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Just a datapoint from my newsfeed today.

https://techcrunch.com/2016/08/18/microsoft-helps-mac-users-ditch-evernote-for-onenote-with-new-tool/?ncid=rss

  • Microsoft makes the point the Evernote Premium now costs as much as Office365 Personal.
  • the migration tool for Evernote -> OneNote for Windows (and now Mac) has migrated 71 million Evernote notes.

Seems there's some movement there.

Movement I'm less than pleased with.  The pricing issue doesn't help.  The more people migrating for various thread hammered reasons, means the more my pricing is going to go up while I stay.

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Just adding to the 'alternatives' library - this is a bit specialized:  http://www.tempuslocum.com/

Android only: Tempus Locum (not the most catchy name for an app...) seems aimed at a slightly specialized marketplace... 

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Easily record your location, descriptions, images, voice recording and other notes across multiple projects and share the details with friends and team mates.

Print & scan sample labels, export details and backup to Google Drive.

Key features include:

 • Record locations with location notes
 • Show location in UTM, MGRS or Lat/Long formats
 • Capture images, audio and notes linked to any item
 • Audio recording works well both inside (for talks or meetings) and outside (for animal calls); recordings are in good quality MP3 format
 • Export to Excel
 • Generate sample labels
 • Scan an manage samples via barcodes on labels
 • Show your locations on a map
 • Backup and restore via Google Drive and local storage
 • Show distance and direction to a location
 • Gallery of all captured images
 • Quickly scan through locations, and review images

But if features like location tracking / sound clips / picture display / label printing are important to you it may be worth a look.  I only saw this one because Book Catalogue (an android app I've used for a long time to scan ISBN codes and track my reading) is promoting this as a new product.

EDIT:  Wow - just noticed my quote text box above now includes a drop-down!  Nice! 59735929d58c3_ScreenClip4.png.41a235dd610e48fceb1bd0db68db1b34.png

 

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Howdy, gazumped:

I appreciate your comment above.

From my point of view... even though EN has been out-to-lunch for several years in making meaningful improvements requested over and over by its subscription base (especially its subscribed Power Users)... MS has languished in its own right with consistent unresponsive development issues as well.

Customer service for both EN and MS are comparably dismal as well.

Taking the above realities into consideration... I have not been able to justify moving away from EN to date.

I hope this proves helpful to some.

Positively,  ~ Alan

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21 minutes ago, ab1kenobee said:

I have not been able to justify moving away from EN to date.

EN continues to do the job for me; stores and sync’s my data ...

I haven’t seen another product that does a better job

The editor is adequate for basic notes; if I need extended features I use a dedicated app

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5 minutes ago, DTLow said:

The editor is adequate for basic notes; if I need extended features I use a dedicated app

Same here.  Evernote is just one of a dozen apps I use daily.  It gets a lot of use,  and I have no plans to move away any time soon;  but like Excel / Lightroom / Word - it's designed for a particular purpose.

I mentioned the Tempus item because a few folks have stressed their need for geolocation with notes - no idea whether this fills a need,  but you never know..  :)

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P.S. At this point, both EN and MS One are non-innovative and non-inspiring.

~ Alan

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12 hours ago, ab1kenobee said:

P.S. Both EN and MS One are stagnant and uninspiring at this point.

EN is one of many tools I use daily.  It  gets the job done

I guess my pens are also stagnant and uninspiring but they get the job done

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DTLow:

I guess my pens are also stagnant and uninspiring but they get the job done

I placidly must agreed with your sentiment... however PENS have not the dimensionality and potentiality of SOFTWARE.

I interpret your comment to imply a ho-hum resignation to the anemic failure of EN to expand and blossom in finesse and capabilties... as many of its users were inspired to believe and hope for.

(Yawn).

~ Alan

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30 minutes ago, ab1kenobee said:

I interpret your comment to imply a ho-hum resignation

I think a better word is “acceptance”

This doesn’t mean I won’t switch to a better product if one comes available.  ”Better” is subjective along with “expand and blossom in finesse and capabilties”.  It’s important to me that EN continues functioning with hardware and OS upgrades

I also participate in the forums, adding my vote to future requests I find useful.  I’m not a fan of ranting and raving because EN doesn’t implement a specific feature

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ho-hum resignation = “acceptance”

High expectations have been: drowned... quashed... undermined... let down... WHATEVER.

Choice of vocabulary is less than congratulatory and ebullient.

Bottom line: EN has consistently failed to breathe life into this application for the past 3 to 5 years... it's tired Founder parachuted out... hired a Google exec for Pres... EN is experiencing significant financial difficulties because it can not entice enough users to become paid subscribers.

I don't know what kind of picture this paints for you... however it certainly can not be interpreted as OPTIMISTIC from any angle.

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On 2017-07-22 at 오전 10시 11분, ab1kenobee said:

EN has consistently failed to breathe life into this application for the past 3 to 5

EN has kept their product  “alive and breathing” **.  That’s the most important fact to me
       ** Except for BB and Windows phone

You might consider upgrading your software, 3 to 5 years is getting kind of old

>>EN is experiencing significant financial difficulties

In the past, EN relied on VC money to build the product; that period is over  
I have seen no reports of “significant financial difficulties”, I did see this

  • What people don’t understand about the company is that we’re in a very solid financial position. We’re on the path to sustainability. We don’t have to raise more money. We had a cash-flow positive month in March.

>>because it can not entice enough users to become paid subscribers

They also reported the “freemium” sales model has a successful paying conversion rate
Personally, I'd switch to a time-limited free trial

 

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9 hours ago, ab1kenobee said:

EN is experiencing significant financial difficulties because it can not entice enough users to become paid subscribers.

What is your source on the financial difficulties? Not some comment from years back, but something current in 2017.

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On 22/07/2017 at 6:11 PM, ab1kenobee said:

ho-hum resignation = “acceptance”

High expectations have been: drowned... quashed... undermined... let down... WHATEVER.

Choice of vocabulary is less than congratulatory and ebullient.

Bottom line: EN has consistently failed to breathe life into this application for the past 3 to 5 years... it's tired Founder parachuted out... hired a Google exec for Pres... EN is experiencing significant financial difficulties because it can not entice enough users to become paid subscribers.

I don't know what kind of picture this paints for you... however it certainly can not be interpreted as OPTIMISTIC from any angle.

I have to disagree here - there have been significant improvements in the cross platform editor and the reliability of the sync engine in the last year or so. These aren't big bang functionality announcements, but as a reasonably heavy user of the software, these matter far more to me, Moving to Google infrastructure is another significant and impactful change. Shutting down the previous CEO's ego-based international offices and closing the edge applications and platforms are all good business and product changes in my opinion. Focus is very difficult to achieve and the previous management were hopeless at it. Just because users don't understand the value of these changes doesn't make them important to the company and the product.

Your comments on the finances seem to be completely contrary to everything I've seen in the last 12 months - I'd be interested in seeing a reputable source, otherwise maybe you'd be better off editing your post.

 

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Howdy, Metrodon:

Appreciate your angle and comments.

 

Articles regarding Evernote finances: I hope Evernote is faring better... however here is a small sample of press comments regarding EN's financial challenges:

 

BUSINESS STRATEGY | Increasing freemium conversions: How to use customer engagement to drive revenue

Not all companies that employ freemium models succeed. Cloud-based note-taking software Evernote, for instance, has not been able to convert many of its 200 million users into paying subscribers. As a result, the company was recently forced to placed more limitations on its free service—a move that did not please its end users.

Evernote’s story isn’t unique. Dropbox still struggles to monetize the 500 million users of its file-storage service, with less than 10 percent upgrading to a premium subscription. Other smaller companies like Chargify and Baremetrics almost went bankrupt after failing to turn a significant number of users into paying subscribers.

SOURCE: VisionCritical

 

Evernote Will Shut Down Market, Its E-Commerce Effort, On Wednesday

Some more news from Evernote — the note-taking app and startup of the same name — that speaks to the company’s current rough patch: today it announced that as of Wednesday at 6pm Pacific, it will shutter Market, the e-commerce platform where it sold Evernote swag and Evernote-integrated office products, in an attempt to create another revenue stream around its more dedicated users.

Separately, we’ve also learned that there is another senior departure at the company: Ronda Scott, the company’s longtime head of comms, is leaving at the end of this week.

The moves come at what has been a pretty difficult period for the startup. Developments have included a number of senior departures, including that of the previous, longtime CEO Phil Libin; other underperforming products getting axed, and the startup — once commanding a $1 billion tag — among several whose valuations have more recently been marked down by large fund managers.

SOURCE: TechCrunch

 

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I'm afraid that neither of those point to any facts. Evernote has always been a freemium product with all of the challenges that this brings. This is hardly news.

I also don't think any serious user is really going to complain about the demise of the premium business sock BS. You reference a TechCrunch article that is more than a year old, again hardly news.

Instead I'll point you to a blog post from 2017 from the CEO of the company, so some facts and not general guesses -https://blog.evernote.com/blog/2017/02/13/turning-an-elephant/

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we’re cash flow positive and in control of our financial destiny as a company. From here on, our operations will be self-funding,

The technology and financial online press are focused on clicks and impressions, not always on facts. "Evernote is dying on it's backside" is a much better sounding story than "Evernote is doing kinda OK".  Even if it's not true.

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Howdy, Metrodon:

You are welcome to your point of view... even though it appears to be fairly biased.

I have no interest in litigating the issue with you.

Thank you,

~ Alan

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LOL - If Evernote disappeared tomorrow, it would be a pain but hardly the end of the world, so I'm not sure about bias.

I do however dislike people posting uninformed comment in public places and then behaving like it's gospel. Unsuspecting and casual passers by are easily caught out.

 

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36 minutes ago, ab1kenobee said:

END.

Yes, please.

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18 hours ago, csihilling said:

And there is always this.

Ha-ha. Never!!

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On 7/24/2017 at 1:26 PM, ab1kenobee said:

Evernote Will Shut Down Market, Its E-Commerce Effort, On Wednesday

This is old news ( feb 2016) , please better specify your sources

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Hi everyone, checking in to share some experience of using an alternative for the past 7 months. 

(Actually, I switched to Onenote about year and a half prior to that, but for all intents and purposes EN and ON are somewhat related services.)

So, seven or so months ago, I finally bit the bullet and decided to try something I've been thinking of for a while - stop using any sort of dedicated data capture and storage service like Onenote or Evernote, and move all of my data to a file folder cloud based system. A very big part of this decision was the desire to never again have to deal with system migration and file conversion.

So, here's my setup. It's been working fine for me, with some things being better and some things being more difficult than using a dedicated service. 

All of my data is kept in Onedrive, and synced to Google Drive using CloudHQ free service. The sync part is not really required, mainly I did this to figure which service I liked better, but grew used to having my data duplicated.

All of my files are in common format - PDF, Office doc and excel, or images. If I ever have to switch over to a different provider, no conversion will be required.

I use Google Drive and Onedrive search. Primarily Google because it's app loads faster on my ancient Mini 2. Both services will OCR a document or image with text. 

For sensitive data, I use an app called Cryptomator. It provides strong encryption, and has very decent clients for pretty much every OS. There's a choice of several similar app, I picked this one for being open source, free, and very cross-platform. (There's also a way to index files hidden in Cryptomator by using another free software.)

For capturing paper documents, there's a very good and wide choice of scanner type software available for both iOS and Android, usually complete with OCR. I settled on a program called Scanbot, which is very well thought through and optimized for batch processing and automated saving of captured documents. I haven't touched my flatbed scanner in months.

For taking notes, I use a number of apps, basically whatever I feel like, as long as it meets a few main requirements - (1) fast (2) automatic saving to cloud (3) common file format. Most usually it's either Goodnotes or Notability on myiPad, set up to automatically save a PDF version of note to the cloud when I exit the program. Goodnotes is especially great for quick handwritten notes because it automatically (and pretty accurately) OCRs handwriting so the resulting PDF can be searched.

There are negatives as well, which for some people may be deal breakers:

1) Storage capacity. AFAIK Google offers 15 GB free (combined with email) and Outlook something like 5 ? (I was grandfathered into 30 GB). Not a problem for me - I only have about 3 GB worth of data, but may be an issue for some people. (But then the cost of added storage is pretty reasonable).

2) Google Drive specific issue: it will not search in large PDFs. Onedrive seems to work fine on them.

3) Another Google Drive specific issue: if you're using Google Drive, it will default to Google Docs format for new documents. I prefer to have physical access to actual files rather than hyperlinks to them. 

4) Google Drive is terrible at handling HTML documents. On the iOS, practically unusable. 

So, if I had to stick with only one service, I'd pick Onedrive. However GDrive has it's own advantages as well: it's faster on older iPads, Chrome's "Save to Drive" command creates a PDF of a web page with hyperlinks preserved, perfect for clipping, and it's generally directly supported by more apps and extensions. Having both services in sync worked the best for me.

Sorry if it was a long-winged post.

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3 hours ago, Wanderling Reborn said:

move all of my data to a file folder cloud based system.

As backup to Evernote, I export all my data to a cloud drive.  Just a flat folder.  

To be really functional, I could also export my EN tags to each note file
I want to maintain tag based organization instead of folder based

>>All of my files are in common format - PDF, Office doc and excel, or images.

I’m using the same formats as Evernote.  
The notes are html, and no change to the format of attachments

If this was my primary source, I’d rethink the html format - I don’t have a good editor

>>For taking notes, I use a number of apps, basically whatever I feel like,

That’s my approach even within Evernote; I don’t feel I’m restricted to the EN editor

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17 minutes ago, DTLow said:

I’m using the same formats as Evernote.  
The notes are html, and no change to the format of attachments

If tnis was my primary source, I’d rethink the html format - I don’t have a good editor

The HTML was not the best choice for conversion, and I wouldn't do it again that way.  Luckily it's old notes that I rarely re-visit. I am converting them to PDF or Doc as needed.

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55 minutes ago, Wanderling Reborn said:

For sensitive data, I use an app called Cryptomator

Does Cryptomator encrypts into a standard file format such as encrypted pdf or encrypted zip? Otherwise you have a new dependency to Cryptomator...

 

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1 hour ago, eric99 said:

Does Cryptomator encrypts into a standard file format such as encrypted pdf or encrypted zip? Otherwise you have a new dependency to Cryptomator...

 

Cryptomator mounts as a drive in Explorer so getting data out of it is as simple as entering the password and copying the top level directory. No need to convert anything, or decrypt individual files. It's also open source and posted on Sourceforge, so even if the project ever folds, the program and it's source code will remain available.  

If I ever find a better alternative, switching over would be as simple as moving files between two drives. I switched between a few encrypted storage solutions in the past 15 years, it's about as painless of a process as it gets. Click, drag, drop, done.

There are indeed many alternatives, I just happened to like that one better.

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7 hours ago, Wanderling Reborn said:

Cryptomator mounts as a drive in Explorer 

I’d be interest in other opinions but my first thought is No Way.  The centralized encryption worries me

I use the native encryption for individual files

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6 minutes ago, DTLow said:

I’d be interest in other opinions but my first thought is No Way.  The centralized encryption worries me

I use the native encryption for each individual files

I've used a centralized encryption (first PGP Disk, then FreeOTFE, then TrueCrypt) since late 90s. Almost daily. Never, ever, ever had data loss. 

That said, Cryptomator does encrypt files individually, and not in one huge volume, however there's no way to say which resulting file is what original file without mounting the whole system first.(Perhaps by file size ? But the file names are gibberish).

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All interesting for someone who's unhappy with a present system,  but so far I'm very content (just renewed Premium) and have too many notes and too much inertia to be tempted to look into alternatives.

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Evernote doesn't data mine my notes, that's the reason I'm willing to pay for it. What about Google Drive?

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1 hour ago, eric99 said:

Evernote doesn't data mine my notes, that's the reason I'm willing to pay for it. What about Google Drive?

I honestly don't care. If I don't want them to know something, I'll encrypt it. Otherwise, it's kind of pointless to hide user manuals, remodeling quotes or travel reservations from Google when people use Gmail and Google search and Android phones. Or Outlook.com and Bing and Windows 10 computers. Your emails and daily location data and search queries (and credit card transactions, and Amazon purchase history, and a myriad of other data bits that  practically all retailers and services share about you) paint a much more comprehensive picture  than a pile of documents and notes you keep somewhere. What worries me more is how good are they at preventing unauthorized access to my data, maintaining it backed up and accessible, and how easy is it to move around. You can always use an alternate paid service like SpiderOak if you're concerned with privacy. Or, just keep everything in encrypted format. I don't know if there's a way to index and search encrypted containers on mobile devices - never had the need - but it's very easy to set up on Windows or Linux while keeping the index itself secure.

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2 hours ago, gazumped said:

All interesting for someone who's unhappy with a present system,  but so far I'm very content (just renewed Premium) and have too many notes and too much inertia to be tempted to look into alternatives.

And there's absolutely nothing wrong with this. It was a discussion on EN alternatives, and as someone who used EN religiously for a while and have been looking at various alternatives for the past 3 years or so, I thought I'd chime in. If it works for you, that's great. I am not trying to make people ditch EN for ON or GD or whatever, I am just providing my (unrequested) POV.

Using any service requires a certain degree of trust and hoop jumping. There's simply no way around this. 

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51 minutes ago, Wanderling Reborn said:

Using any service requires a certain degree of trust and hoop jumping. There's simply no way around this. 

Agreed totally - not arguing,  just commenting... ;)

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5 hours ago, gazumped said:

All interesting for someone who's unhappy with a present system,

I'm also a contented (inertia bound) Premium user

I'm also preparing for the Evernote apocalypse when Evernote no longer functions, something like a temporary shutdown for some reason
for example:  2014 http://www.pcworld.com/article/2362100/evernote-hit-by-denial-of-service-attack.html

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4 hours ago, eric99 said:

Evernote doesn't data mine my notes, that's the reason I'm willing to pay for it. What about Google Drive?

Why would anyone suspect an advertising company of mining data?  ;)

I haven’t checked Google's TOS (terms of service) lately, but from way back I had understood this was their reason for offering these services

If you have confidential data, encrypt it before putting it in the cloud.  Trust no one

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Hello EN Users:

I started this thread August 27, 2014... and to my thinking... EN has not made nearly enough improvements of substance in the past 3 years.

I belatedly found Dave544's post starting December 15, 2016, entitled: "It was a good five years"... which specifically discusses EN's Secuity Policy and User privacy compromises.

If you have not already reviewed it... it is worth a serious read... particularly for EN power users.

~ Alan

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1 hour ago, ab1kenobee said:

and to my thinking... EN has not made nearly enough improvements of substance in the past 3 years.

I'm actually not looking for "improvements of substance".  
I need Evernote to continue processing my data.  

The hardware and OS software is constantly evolving, so I need Evernote to adjust their software to keep pace.

Since this is a cloud based service, I need Evernote to provide the server side functions.  
Previously this was Evernote data centers; switched to a service provider in 2016

Evernote is no longer venture funded.  Not an "improvement of substance", but it's the reality of continuing to process our data

>>I belatedly found Dave544's post starting December 15, 2016, entitled: "It was a good five years"... which specifically discusses EN's Secuity Policy and User privacy compromises.

Yes, that was quite the tempest in a teapot;  a "chicken little" scene. 
*** Spoiler Alert ***   The sky didn't fall

The panic seems to have subsided, although I'm not seeing any security changes
edit:  The default was changed to opt out for the Machine Learning Project

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DTLow:

I understand your point of view.The fact is... EN Power Users have been requesting fixes and upgrades for years... with limited accommodation by EN.

Personally, I am still looking for a viable and secure alternative.

~ Alan


P.S. 
 QUESTION: Do any EN Power Users have extensive experience with:  Laverna?
(Lifehacker article)

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39 minutes ago, ab1kenobee said:

The fact is... EN Power Users have been requesting fixes and upgrades for years

There are many requests posted in the forums.

From your point of view, where should Evernote focus their limited resources
What would be your number one priority.

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DTLow:

 

From my perspective as a marketing professional and former independent Software Beta Tester and Evaluator (from MS to shareware):

 

1. EN has enormously diminished their own revenue stream by being so callously non-responsive throughout the past 5-years to its Power User base.

2. I myself have been a PAID subscriber 2x... only to decline renewal last year due to EN's dismal committment to tech support and development progress.

3. TOP PRIORITY - 1:  Security & Privacy... global support of encryption algorithms.

4. TOP PRIORITY - 2:  Advanced rich-text editing features.

 

Positively,  ~ Alan

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10 hours ago, ab1kenobee said:

TOP PRIORITY - 1:  Security & Privacy... global support of encryption algorithms.

Evernote has a text encryption feature, AES 128
Personally, I encrypt my sensitive data independent of Evernote.  I use encrypted attachments; pdfs, office/iwork documents, ...

>>TOP PRIORITY - 2:  Advanced rich-text editing features.

I find the Evernote editor adequate for basic notes
For serious work, I use dedicated editor apps; Word/Pages for word processing, Excel for spreadsheets, Notability on my iPad, coffeemaker ...

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DTLow wrote: "I find the Evernote editor adequate for basic notes"

You just made my point: YOU HAVE ADAPTED.

EN is only capable of basic notes.

I now require advanced rich text capabilities, which EN has failed to integrate throughout the past 5-years.

I am not interested in adapting my needs to EN's low common denominator... in fact there are more basic PIM's on the market that (for years) have provided superior formatting capabilities.

I expect software companies to ADAPT and improve their software on a timely basis.

Simply... EN has not... and likely won't any time soon enough! LOL!

Positively,   ~ Alan

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1 hour ago, ab1kenobee said:

I now require advanced rich text capabilities

I need word processing features; I need spreadsheet features; I need calendar features; I need coffee

My approach is to use the best tools for the job.

for reference, Evernote is completely useless for making coffee.  I "adapted" to a coffeemaker

 

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I've pointed out (many,  many times before) in various threads - I use third party software* (in two or more OS's) for things including mind-maps, email, spreadsheets, publishing, photo-editing, books, multimedia, systems, money, calendars, project management, web chat, audio and system management.  I have around 250 apps on both PC and Android! 

Most of that is linked to Evernote in some way,  with at least my operating notes. I don't expect Evernote to match the features of those specialized applications,  and I wouldn't want the added complication of any menu bar from any single specialist app added to Evernote's layout,  much less a mixture of several of them. 

Apart from the complication issue,  Evernote would have to create (or buy / buy into) dozens of specialist apps that aren't Evernote and merge the coding.  You'd have a Frankensteinian app too big to load onto most devices!

I'm very happy to use Evernote to store and retrieve my information,  and manage various priorities.  It could be faster and more reliable in several areas,  but I see no reason to expand its range.

*And a coffee machine!

 

 

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DTLow and gazumped:

I appreciate the points each of you have made... and you're very kind to give EN sooo much slack.

For me... EN is utilitarian... and can be soooo much more.

Thank you for our friendly conversation!

Positively,  ~ Alan

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On 15/11/2017 at 1:11 PM, ab1kenobee said:

DTLow:

 

 

From my perspective as a marketing professional and former independent Software Beta Tester and Evaluator (from MS to shareware):

 

1. EN has enormously diminished their own revenue stream by being so callously non-responsive throughout the past 5-years to its Power User base.

 

 

Any actual evidence of this? The CEO says that they are currently self sustaining which is a position I don't remember the old guy ever saying.

I'm not even sure what a "Power User" is, but a sensible user picks the best tools to do the job - you won't pick up a hammer to make scrambled eggs (although some of my efforts look like they might have been..). Trying to build a single tool that fits everybody's "power" requirements is the shortest cut to ruin that I can possibly imagine.

I hope Evernote keep it simple, make it work seamlessly and don't try to be too clever. Too clever leads to Context, Work Chat, Socks and who knows what other nonsense.

 

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18 hours ago, Metrodon said:

don't try to be too clever

Amen.

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P.S. Here is an article I just found that most coincidently shares my personal point of view... useful for business people who are not willing to constantly compromise and subvert their own business needs and requirements for EN's lackluster feature updates and tech support:

(There are many long-term EN Power Users who have relunctantly left EN for many of the same reasons that are published in this forum.)

 

I’M GIVING UP ON EVERNOTE AND SWITCHING TO ONENOTE | by Emory Wells |

"While I don't mind paying for upgrades and new features, I don't like feeling like I got tied into something only to have the rug pulled out from under me a few years later.

If I felt like Evernote was continually improving and getting better, I might feel differently than I do."

(NOTE: Reader comments below the article are also important and useful.)

 

 

After reading the above article, I am going to revisit OneNote again with an open mind.

Migration ought not to be taken for granted as a piece of cake... because it's not. It requires significant time and effort.

I have politely stated my point of view.

Take it or leave it... I am not a lone voice on this issue.

 

Positively,  ~ Alan

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29 minutes ago, ab1kenobee said:

I have politely stated my point of view.

Take it or leave it... I am not a lone voice on this issue.

As have others, same advice applies.  ;)

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