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2 hours ago, beltran said:

how does that work? can we insert the tag where we want in a note or it's only if the web page which we clip has the tag?
thanks

There's no UI.  I directly edit the enml/html code with a text editor

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1 hour ago, DTLow said:

There's no UI.  I directly edit the enml/html code with a text editor

interesting... could you give a bit more details on the process please?
is it mac or windows?

I've open the content.enml file
(had to search by date inside of the hashed folder in
~/Library/Application Support/com.evernote.Evernote/accounts/www.evernote.com/6161906/content/2019AF79-87F5-49F4-96E5-F899B06B49B7,
unless you have a better option)

I've added the <summary> tag wrapping a list for example
but the folding functionality doesn't appear to be there

(I'm using EN Version 7.4 (456999 Direct))

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2 hours ago, beltran said:

interesting... could you give a bit more details on the process please?
is it mac or windows?

You've got the idea with editing the content.enml file.  I also access the note in Evernote and make an update so the back-end changes get uploaded to the server
Windows users can get a .enex file to edit by exporting the note

We can make simple changes to the code.  807542311_ScreenShot2018-09-05at08_05_49.png.f7349e3e58916d73e6258beb9bf8cdb7.png
The code I entered was

As I said, this actually works on my Mac, but not on other platforms

 

>>(had to search by date inside of the hashed folder in ~/Library/Application Support/com.evern... unless you have a better option)

I'm doing this a lot so I wrote a script to launch Finder with the correct folder.  Documented at 

 

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38 minutes ago, DTLow said:

You've got the idea with editing the content.enml file.  I also access the note in Evernote and make an update so the back-end changes get uploaded to the server
Windows users don't have a content.enml file to edit.  They can export/import the note.  This gives them a .enex file to edit.

We can make simple changes to the code.  807542311_ScreenShot2018-09-05at08_05_49.png.f7349e3e58916d73e6258beb9bf8cdb7.png
The code I entered was

As I said, this actually works on the Mac, but not on other platforms

 

>>(had to search by date inside of the hashed folder in ~/Library/Application Support/com.evern... unless you have a better option)

I'm doing this a lot so I wrote a script to launch Finder with the correct folder.  Documented at 

 

this is exactly what I did... I added the summary tag to a part of the text but it didn't work.

I checked that it was correctly updating adding other content to the note inserting it in the .enml file
and it was working

how is it's supposed to look when you fold / unfold inside of the evernote note?
do you have to assign a CSS style somewhere?
 

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22 minutes ago, beltran said:

this is exactly what I did... I added the summary tag to a part of the text but it didn't work.

I checked that it was correctly updating adding other content to the note inserting it in the .enml file
and it was working

how is it's supposed to look when you fold / unfold inside of the evernote note?
do you have to assign a CSS style somewhere?

I can't comment on list tags in enml/html, but this code works.  No CSS required

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58 minutes ago, DTLow said:

I can't comment on list tags in enml/html, but this code works

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????? yay! that works. Thanks a lot @DTLow

the important duo of tags is the <details> (which I was missing) and <summary>  
the <summary> tag will be visible when the section is folded


ah what a dream if the Evernote developers added this to the UI!! !!! :)

now onto your script to quickly open the note with finder ;)


 

<details>
  <summary> what you want to be visible when you fold </summary>
    any other content that you want
    <p> a paragraph </a>
	<ul>
	   <li><div>or a list</div></li>
	   <li><div>of whatever</div></li>
	   <li><div>you want</div></li>
    </ul>
</details>
  

 

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Yes sadly, with the history of lack of innovation and the recent corporate leadership issues, I'm preparing for the worst with Evernote and looking into how to export to OneNote -- I mean do you guys realize how little I want to be using a Microsoft product?!

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40 minutes ago, David N - Research Analyst said:

I'm preparing for the worst with Evernote

I'm preparing for Evernote's continued storage of my notes and syncing to my devices.
I've seen no reason for any concerns, and look for a long future with Evernote.

I have no concerns with  exporting my data; the export feature runs weekly as part of my backups.

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On 6/12/2018 at 7:29 PM, Wolfach said:

Is Evernote even working on it?  Is it even on the roadmap? 

For various reasons, Evernote does not publish a roadmap of their development.
This feature could appear in the next release, but Evernote has given no indication they're interested in it.
I'm also looking at the base format for notes (enml/html) and I'm not seeing the feature supported.

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hi 

we have many contents in Evernote . so if Evernote can be made with accordions text feature 

may be a title and summary  can shape structure but accordions text feature can show a little bit  content (image, text, video )

 

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Collapsible outlining has been requested many times.  You might want to find one of those threads and consolidate your vote there.  Here's a link.

 

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17 hours ago, rasool said:

we have many contents in Evernote . so if Evernote can be made with accordions text feature 

may be a title and summary  can shape structure but accordions text feature can show a little bit  content (image, text, video )

"Accordions text" not an Evernote feature. 

My work-around is to move the text to another note, and include a link
I also use file attachments for anything beyond basic notes.

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I agree, collapsable sections/bullets would be very useful.

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Collapsing PDF and Images would be awesome.  They take too much real-estate 

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2 hours ago, dirq said:

Collapsing PDF and Images would be awesome.  They take too much real-estate 

 

You can view PDFs and images as an attachment (as an icon), by checking the following two options in Tools / Options / Note / Note view options:  "Allow images to be displayed as attachments" for images and "Always show PDF documents as attachments" for PDFs. After checking the second option, the PDFs will be automatically displayed as icons.  In order to collapse an image, right-click on the image and select "View as attachment" from the bottom of the right-click menu. 

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I would strongly like to vote for a collapsable list feature similar to OmniOutliner's capabilities.  Multi level collapsable lists. Clone what Omni Outliner does in Evernote!

It's a hugely beneficial way to organize thoughts. Gives a way to break project ideas down. Helps organize and break down complicated ideas.

Humans love it.   It's how we think!

Thanks!
Mark.

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On 5/31/2015 at 3:43 PM, LeoTM said:

+1, I love Evernote, but WorkFlowy has this.

+1 for expand/collapse. What about an integration? Embed a Workflowy list into a note?

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12 hours ago, Soy said:

What about an integration? Embed a Workflowy list into a note?

Foe embedding, a note can contain files of any format.  
Use any self contained document that supports outlining; Evernote works well with Office/iWork documents

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I would like tu suggest a feature to collaps and expand indented text under a TITLE, in order to have information in a single line that could be expanded.
I use evernote as a Daily Diary, but I would like to have informations collapsed for Day (or may be for hour) in order to have a global view of my week at a glance 
 
I try to explain with an example.
 
Actually in my note I have
 
OLD EXPANDED VERSION 
03.04.2019 20.00 Home Cinema with Mary and Joe
                Hanna - Great Prime Series! We spent all night lookin at 6 espisodes on Amazon Prime Video
 
04.04.2019 Evernote Request
                I wrote a note in the evernote community to ask for a way to collapse text in evernote
                Here is the note:
               Collaps Text of a part of a note in a single line
              I would like tu suggest a feature to collaps and expand text under an indented tab and a title in a singol line
              I use evernote as a Daily Diary, but I would like to have informations collapsed for Day (or may be for hour) in order to understand at a glance what to look at it.
 
Tomorrow I Would like to have
 
NEW COLLAPSED VERSION
[+] 03.04.2019 20.00 Home Cinema with Mary and Joe 
[+]  04.04.2019 Evernote Request
 
With the possibility to click on the [+] sign and see the subnote expanded as in the OLD EXPANDED VERSION 
 
 
Could be very usefull to keep track of projects also.
May be there is these feature already?
thanks
Alex

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I moved this discussion to the feature request forum.

The Evernote editor does not currently support outline expand/collapse. 

Work-arounds that I use

  1. Switch to a word processing format and store in the note as an attachment
  2. Use links to separate notes. 

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Thanks.What do you mean to switch to a word processing format? Using an external editor right? and then attach the file?
Or there is a feature to do this inside Evernote?

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11 minutes ago, originalex said:

Using an external editor right? and then attach the file?

That is what he means and it is a work around.  I, and others, would like to see this feature added as well.  Here is the general request for it and you can upvote by clicking on the arrow in the upper left

 

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Merging this with original request...

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On 6/11/2018 at 7:00 PM, Dgldy said:

+1

The lack of this feature is literally the single driving factor for me to switch to Workflowy

For me it is Outlinely. I would rather stay in Evernote, but at times I need to collapse/expand, for example, speaking notes. There are other ways to achieve this e.g. jump anchors, but this request has 'matured' without response from Evernote for more than five years...

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I use Workflowy and Evernote routinely.  Both have their own special strengths and weaknesses.  I also use Lightroom (forinstance) because Evernote just wont let me edit my RAW camera images yet (joke).  Lightroom sucks at note taking.  There's no shame in an app having a special area of expertise,  and lots of reasons why Adobe should try to add Evernote's functions to its app and vice-versa.

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5 minutes ago, greiggy said:

For me it is Outlinely. I would rather stay in Evernote, but at times I need to collapse/expand, for example, speaking notes. There are other ways to achieve this e.g. jump anchors, but this request has 'matured' without response from Evernote for more than five years...

When presentation mode was added, I thought for sure collapse/expand would be added.  It made sense to me this would logically follow, at least for presentation mode ... I was wrong. 

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9 minutes ago, greiggy said:

I would rather stay in Evernote, but at times I need to collapse/expand

Use a different editor, and save your documents in Evernote as attachments

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I would love expandable lines (especially in an outline or bullet setup)

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Collapsable list should be a must, absolutely.

 

Something like workflowy would be great.

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I have begun my transition to Notion. I have a lifetime membership to Evernote, because I've been with them from the beginning. I am leaving because of this issue and all the other feature requests that have gone ignored by Evernote. Evernote has shown itself to be a dysfunctional company, but it's the product that I'm now rejecting.

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4 hours ago, David N - Research Analyst said:

Evernote has shown itself to be a dysfunctional company

...By not having the same view as one user about this "essential" feature?  I use Workflowy for outlining and save the results into Evernote notes.  Whatever.  If you feel you need to leave and develop a new account elsewhere,  that's entirely your priviledge.  Good luck.

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I have to stop returning to this specific 'Text Collapse [Outlining]' string.  I check back in every 6 months or so; and it is one of the most disheartening issues with this software.  Because of how much I rely on evernote... I feel like I'm almost being held hostage (its just not that simple for me to move to a competitor); and to be honest, I'm likely most infuriated by what seems to be an acute disregard for communication/dialogue from Evernote on this topic.  Maybe we'll see this feature addressed by 2025. 

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21 minutes ago, Wolfach said:

what seems to be an acute disregard for communication/dialogue from Evernote on this topic

I have to agree that with (currently) 400 votes,  this seems like one of the best -if not the best- supported feature request out there.  But Evernote has almost never gone in for "coming soon" or "in the pipeline" announcements,  while there have from time to time been "never gonna happen" comments on one or two features from staff. 

Silence may be encouraging!

We don't know (and Evernote won't -usually- say) what their priorities are,  so 2025 might be realistic.  Or it might happen 4 or 5 years sooner than that.  Watch this space.

Of course,  if outlining is central to your workflow,  you should find an alternative;  for the moment (as above) your best other option is to use a third party app and paste the results into Evernote.  

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56 minutes ago, Wolfach said:

I feel like I'm almost being held hostage (its just not that simple for me to move to a competitor)

I know that we're not "being held hostage".  Evernote makes it extremely easy to export our data; it's a 30 minute process I run as part of my backups.

>>it is one of the most disheartening issues with this software ... I'm likely most infuriated ...

I successfully use the Evernote editor, knowing it's adequate for basic notes

For word processing features, I use dedicated editors.  More productive than being infuriated, disheartened.

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Hello All!

I've posted some ideas here before. I'm a self-certified super user and am a HUGE proponent to the text collapse idea. I've long since given up on the idea and have moved to my own personal work-around. However, I stumbled upon what could be a great solution if the dev team would be willing to make a few tweaks. Have a look...

https://youtu.be/YEFytunlJZg 

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17 minutes ago, CraigD said:

However, I stumbled upon what could be a great solution if the dev team would be willing to make a few tweaks. Have a look...

This has been mentioned before and requires directly editing the underlying enml/html code.

I've successfully tested it on my Mac

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On 7/2/2019 at 10:50 AM, DTLow said:

This has been mentioned before and requires directly editing the underlying enml/html code.

I've successfully tested it on my Mac

I actually did get it working . As I mention in the video though, once I navigate away from the note, Evernote strips out the <details> tag. https://youtu.be/YEFytunlJZg 

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They already have this ability in the left hand pane allowing the collapse of notebooks, shortcuts and tags. Now if they will only add this into the main editor ... he's hoping it will show up in the new editor.

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On 6/28/2019 at 1:49 PM, gazumped said:

Whatever

Why so much hostility and defensiveness? Even the behemoths like MS Word and OneNote can collapse text. If MS thought it was a "necessary" feature to include in their package (let alone Workflowy and Notion among the "newcomers" who have actually been around for years at this point ), it's not such a ridiculous thing to expect from Evernote who directly competes with these services. There is no need to admonish a person whose views have obviously been validated by Evernote's competition and are not limited to a single user in any imaginable way.

In my view, the sad part is that even if Evernote does end up introducing this feature, it's still playing catch up (and not just with a very old user request) but also with feature parity with it's competition.  

At some point the users would want to mold the software into something that works for them; and not mold the way they work and think to fit someone else's vision for the software. 

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On 7/5/2019 at 9:35 PM, RY27 said:

Why so much hostility and defensiveness?

As an hostilty example, you chose "Whatever"
I think a better eaxample is "Evernote has shown itself to be a dysfunctional company"

This is a feature request discussion.  Users can indicate their support using the vote button in the top left corner.
This is how I indicate my support.  I'm also interested in work-arounds
I'm not into "BOOHOO, Evernote is so bad" posts

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9 minutes ago, DTLow said:

As an hostilty example, you chose "Whatever"
I think a better eaxample is "Evernote has shown itself to be a dysfunctional company"

This is a feature request discussion.  Users can indicate their suppot using the vote button in the top left corner.
This is how I indicate my support.  I'm also interested in work-arounds
I'm not into "BOOHOO, Evernote is so bad" posts

 

To clarify, my comment about Evernote being a "dysfunctional company" was not an off-hand remark. It was based on actual tech reporting that you can read. For example:

Evernote lost its CTO, CFO, CPO and HR head in the last month as it eyes another fundraiser

The 3 Stages of Evernote’s Fall

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9 hours ago, RY27 said:

Why so much hostility and defensiveness?

You read a lot into a one-word clip from a couple of paragraphs where I thought I was disagreeing politely with another post and pointing out that Evernote doesn't actually provide the features you apparently need,  so the realistic options available are:  adapt -or- migrate.

I also pointed out later:

On 7/2/2019 at 2:39 AM, gazumped said:

We don't know (and Evernote won't -usually- say) what their priorities are,  so 2025 might be realistic.  Or it might happen 4 or 5 years sooner than that.  Watch this space

When a feature is missing for whatever reason,  adding it isn't a trivial exercise no matter how minor a tweak may be involved.  Evernote probably plans its schedule a couple of years ahead,  so a development has to be planned,  fitted into the calendar,  executed,  tested and released - a process in itself which takes months if not years.  So requests take a l-o-o-o-n-g time to be fulfilled unless they are already in the pipeline.

Other start-ups do have shinier features - largely because they're climbing on the shoulders of 200M users helping develop Evernote's current platform,  without having more than a few hundred users themselves.  I've no doubt they're growing rapidly,  and adding even more new features as they go.  Whether they survive more than a year or two remains to be seen.  For all its faults Evernote has been around for 10+ years and seems currently to be in a better position than it has been.  Until I absolutely have no choice but to change,  I'm staying here.

That's not blind fanboi-ism - I'm a Virgo (similar to being from Missouri).  It's just pragmatic.

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10 hours ago, RY27 said:

Why so much hostility and defensiveness?

There is a very small group of forum members who seem to feel the need to always defend Evernote, and to jump on members whose posts they don't like.  They often come across as hostile whether or not they intend to.  My advice:  just ignore them.  They are not going to change, and you will just be wasting your time trying to respond to their defensive posts.

10 hours ago, David N - Research Analyst said:

To clarify, my comment about Evernote being a "dysfunctional company" was not an off-hand remark. It was based on actual tech reporting that you can read

If by "dysfunctional" you mean "not operating normally or properly", or, in my words, "not functioning well enough to deliver a high quality product", then prior to the arrival of the new CEO Ian Small in Oct 2018, I would have to agree. 

My assessment is not just based on third party reviews, but my own personal experience using Evernote for a decade, and observing the many failed attempts of Evernote management.  IMO, the most obvious, egregious, example of dysfunction is that for years Evernote continued to make new releases with substantial new bugs, many of them very obvious.

There's good news and bad news. 😉

The good news is that there is a new sheriff in town.  The new CEO Ian Small seems to clearly understand the issues, and really knows how to listen to his customers/users.  He also once (years prior be becoming CEO) felt Evernote had major issues, and, in his words, "fired Evernote" -- he stopped using Evernote.  So It seems to me that he feels our pain, and has set about trying to restructure Evernote.  For evidence of this, see the Behind the Scenes Series  with Ian Small.

The bad news is that Mr. Small has said that it is going to take some time to first complete the restructuring, then to begin adding features many users have been asking for.  He has NOT given a specific time frame, but I get the feeling that it could be 2020 before we see any new features.  That's just my opinion.

But, for the first time in many years, I am very hopeful about the future of Evernote.  I have 20K+ Notes and don't have any plans to switch, even though it has some bugs that really annoy me, and there are a few features that I would really like to have.

Finally, to the point of this thread, outlining/text collapse is a feature I would much like to have, as it would make longer Notes much more readable/usable.

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2 hours ago, JMichaelTX said:

There is a very small group of forum members who seem to feel the need to ...

There are forum members who seem to feel the need to always put down Evernote with derogatory comments, and to jump on members whose posts they don't like.  They often come across as hostile and close-minded.  I recommend they switch to a  product they're happy with.

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On 7/1/2019 at 7:04 PM, DTLow said:

I know that we're not "being held hostage".  Evernote makes it extremely easy to export our data; it's a 30 minute process I run as part of my backups.

>>it is one of the most disheartening issues with this software ... I'm likely most infuriated ...

I successfully use the Evernote editor, knowing it's adequate for basic notes

For word processing features, I use dedicated editors.  More productive than being infuriated, disheartened.

Hence the reason I used the word *feels*

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On 7/5/2019 at 10:49 PM, DTLow said:

I'm not into "BOOHOO, Evernote is so bad"

I agree that it's not necessary helpful. But I'm sure it's also cathartic for people to have a forum to complain and vent their frustration with Evernote (often not undeserved). Frankly, if Evernote we're doing such a bang-up job of keeping up with its users' needs and managing expectations, these conversations would not get as heated. I can't think of a forum for another software platform where people get as nasty and brutal to each other. 

On 7/6/2019 at 10:05 AM, DTLow said:

recommend they switch to a  product they're happy with.

Agree, except that if one has already switched to a different product or tried it, I don't see why that person would not share their experience here. Hopefully, that will save a few other people a few hours or a few dollars. 

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+1000000 Yes please. 

Collapsable boxes would be an awesome addition especially for code blocks! i really need this!

I often put code blocks into tables with a code column and a notes column I want to be able to collapse the code block so that it doesn't take up so much space! but can still read it if i want. I actually want 3 collapse options. Want a 3 way button that gives these options. - + = top left of the code block

1. First line only

2. fully open.

3. first few last few (number of rows dependent on box size

Also you seem to have broken the functionality to add code blocks to tables!!! i have to copy and paste them in these days. The menu button has stopped working in tables. (under windows). 

I recon lots of developers would like this functionality!

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Collapse-able bullets would be VERY helpful

I use this feature extensively in other platforms.

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Hi.   I Too think Outlining in any of various ways would be very helpful.    For instance including examples of code samples under an item... these clutter the overall space, but placed in a collapsible frame/box cleans it up nicely until you care to look at the extra details.

Personally, I journal a lot in Evernote...  in Windows, on the web, on iPhone, etc.   These 'notes' obviously get very large...  and thus difficult to get to the end of the note on iPhone.

I have resolved to using the Encryption feature to hide older entries in the note like so:

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Obviously has limitations in some situations...  but great for me:

Yes.  I use the multi-note pattern for other purposes.  But I have almost 9000 notes already in only 7 years.   So in some cases, I feel better with consolidated access.     When I have told it to remember my password (until exit EN), then I can just double click on a 'section' to easily open.....  inline....      Then, I can search the entire note easily (opened portions anyways) ... and not get bogged down with the other 9000 notes.   Plus, since it is a Journal, I like having the text Encrypted anyway  😄 

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3 minutes ago, Thomas Oatman said:

I have resolved to using the Encryption feature to hide older entries in the note like so:

I bit of a pain, but clever work around.

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8 minutes ago, Thomas Oatman said:

I have resolved to using the Encryption feature to hide older entries in the note like so:

That works, but I do question the need for a note that contains "older entries"

I use separate dated notes

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