Jackolicious

mac (Archived) Evernote 5.0.6 Beta 2 for Mac

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Hi everyone,

Great beta update coming your way! Get it here: http://evernote.com/...e=PrereleaseMac

Hope you like it!

New Features
Re-designed menu bar Helper: Quick Note - Create a note any time by clicking the helper or CMD+CTRL+N

Other Improvements
Copy and paste fixes
Miscellaneous bug and stability fixes

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I really like the Quick Note -functionality. Nice to have a truly useful feature that adds to productivity - haven't had such in a while.

 

A suggestion: I think the dialog should close itself always whenever I click outside it. That also applies to the menu bar (blank area or on other icons there). This is how similar apps (e.g. Fantastical) work.

 

The other issues related to the internal HTML-like representation of notes are still there unfortunately (cannot remove a <h1>-heading on top of a note, markup ends up being easily cluttered with styles, extra spans and divs etc.). I really wish Evernote used Markdown instead... But I guess you can't have everything  :)

 

Good job on this release, though!

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Oh! More puzzling and counterproductive features coming to Evernote just in time for the weekend? Woohoo.

 

Sorry about the sarcasme, but although I do like the idea of using Evernote to scrabble down quick notes, this is a disappointing solution. 

 

I am was a using ⌘+Ctrl+N heavily system wide, where I could not only add note content but also add a title, tag the note and sort it in the right folder right away. Now I have to go into the inbox after the fact to do all this (unless I am already in the Evernote main window, that is - but that's not where ⌘+Ctrl+N used to be useful). I guess I'll have to resort to ⌘+Ctrl+V in the future instead; it is easier removing the clipboard content than deal with untagged, untitled notes cluttering my inbox folder because I promptly forget about them ...


There's also a couple of menu entries that needs two clicks instead of one with this new menu; I did not use them much, but it is not an improvement. Also, still no FaceTime-note shortcut? Or keyboard shortcuts for audio- and FaceTime? Now that would be introducing something useful!

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【1】 BUG: HELPER

  • Pressing CMD + CTRL + N brought up the dialogue box, pressing the screenshot icon on the left took the screenshot, trying to delete the screenshot by right-clicking brought up the menu choices shown in the screenshot, but I couldn't select anything. Pressing escape, going into the helper, and then right-clicking worked. 
  •  I have not been able to reproduce this behavior.

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s74/sh/ea2a54f8-14f1-4369-bf1d-eb3783ce0251/7a0420357211506fc72e1b9c2d4147e0

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【2】 SUGGESTION: HELPER

 

  • I don't see this feature being especially useful for me, because I cannot create a title for the note. Would it be possible to add that feature into the quick note? This would be a huge benefit. I don't use different tags or notebooks often, but I am sure many people do, so adding that might be a good idea as well. I know that the title is derived from the first line of the note, and so mimics the Windows behavior, but the main app doesn't work this way, so I do not see the point in this (how many people will actually figure out what is happening if it only occurs with the little elephant so few people even know exists?). If you changed the behavior of the main app, then that would be nice :)
  • In addition, the first line of the note then becomes the snippet text, so you basically have snippets with the same information (the title) repeated twice. It is a little unwieldy in practice, isn't it? Maybe I would be less bothered by this if we had a vertical list view, and I didn't see the snippet text anymore :)
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【3】 BUG: RELATED NOTES (?)


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  • Search for a term, going to a note, and trying to edit the content off the screen above the located term will force the screen to leap back down to the term. I first discovered this as I was trying to edit the titles of several hundred notes that had the same code at the bottom of the note. The screen jumps down to the code, I scroll to the title, I start editing, and then it jumps back down to the bottom of the note, and I have to go back to the title to edit again. 
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  • Why is it doing this? I believe it is generating the related notes, and that is why this happens, because if I search and find a term in a note that already has related notes, I cannot replicate the behavior. It only seems to occur with notes that do not have them already generated. 
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  • This is an old bug, but I just couldn't figure out until now why it was happening. Well, I still don't know, but I suspect the related notes are the culprit. 
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  • See the video below for the bug in action (see esp. :04-:06). 
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https://www.evernote.com/shard/s74/sh/ea2a54f8-14f1-4369-bf1d-eb3783ce0251/7a0420357211506fc72e1b9c2d4147e0

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【4】 BUG: COPY/PASTE

  • We all know that copy/paste out of Evernote on Mac does not work well. See the screenshot for one example. The original is here in this note and the garbled version is showing in the forum post. Please fix this problem, especially the extra line breaks that double space sections. It is terribly inconvenient to have to run everything through another program just to copy/paste out of Evernote. This is a longstanding issue, and not just one related to the bullet points.

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s74/sh/ea2a54f8-14f1-4369-bf1d-eb3783ce0251/7a0420357211506fc72e1b9c2d4147e0

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【6】 SUGGESTION: TELL US ABOUT NEW FEATURES

  • When did we get some basic navigation within the Trunk space? In the top left corner, we can now go home, and if memory serves me, this was not there the last time I looked (November?).
  • By the way, if you want me to go to the Trunk more, it needs to be searchable, have some other navigation options, and alert me to new/changed apps/deals, but that is a topic for a whole other thread. Perhaps you might want to consider ads in the sidebar! https://www.evernote.com/pub/mayochristopher/evernoteads

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s74/sh/ea2a54f8-14f1-4369-bf1d-eb3783ce0251/7a0420357211506fc72e1b9c2d4147e0

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【2】 SUGGESTION: HELPER

 

  • I don't see this feature being especially useful for me, because I cannot create a title for the note. Would it be possible to add that feature into the quick note? This would be a huge benefit. I don't use different tags or notebooks often, but I am sure many people do, so adding that might be a good idea as well. I know that the title is derived from the first line of the note, and so mimics the Windows behavior, but the main app doesn't work this way, so I do not see the point in this (how many people will actually figure out what is happening if it only occurs with the little elephant so few people even know exists?). If you changed the behavior of the main app, then that would be nice :)
  • In addition, the first line of the note then becomes the snippet text, so you basically have snippets with the same information (the title) repeated twice. It is a little unwieldy in practice, isn't it? Maybe I would be less bothered by this if we had a vertical list view, and I didn't see the snippet text anymore  :)

 

 

Got to be able to add title, tags and notebook here otherwise you are creating an organisational nightmare.

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【8】 SUGGESTION: BLACK AND WHITE

  • Please reconsider the gray on gray color scheme. I know, this is an old complaint of mine, but I am wondering why it is still here! 
  • I am sure that some thought went into this, but I just cannot see the benefits for me as a user. It is difficult to see, right? I have great eyesight -- I work on an 11" MBA and don't mind poor resolution or tiny characters for all of my work, but it is only in Evernote that I feel like things are fuzzy and indistinguishable. Surely, it isn't just me who thinks it makes sense to have black on white. From a usability / accessibility perspective, it seems strikingly obvious to me, but maybe I just need to be schooled in design.
  • In the first screenshot below, tell me that you think the trash icon, the people sharing my trash (why are people sharing my trash?), and even the gray on gray of the snippet view ("who") is easier to see than this text I have written right here black on white.
  • Surely, the second screenshot below is a joke, right? You cannot honestly tell me that the name of the stack in the screenshot below is legible (it says 公用). I really think this gray on gray thing is bizarre, and I strongly recommend you reconsider this from an accessibility perspective.

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s74/sh/ea2a54f8-14f1-4369-bf1d-eb3783ce0251/7a0420357211506fc72e1b9c2d4147e0

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【9】 BUG: ATLAS

  • My notes are not being counted / geo-located properly. I just emptied out my account of all but a handful of notes (it is a long story), and re-imported about 7,000+ notes a day or two ago, but only some of them got counted by Atlas. Why? The same computer, the same location, and the exact same information. Yet, a different note count. See the screenshots below. 

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s74/sh/ea2a54f8-14f1-4369-bf1d-eb3783ce0251/7a0420357211506fc72e1b9c2d4147e0

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【10】 BUG: NUMBERED LISTS

  • I hesitate to mention this, because there are so many issues to sort out here, and we already know these numbered lists are quirky. Still, I figured I'd bring up one particular bug.
  • Create some text, put in an <hr> line, start a list, and then try to delete the first number. As far as I know, it cannot be done without deleting the totally unrelated <hr> line. See video below.

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s74/sh/ea2a54f8-14f1-4369-bf1d-eb3783ce0251/7a0420357211506fc72e1b9c2d4147e0

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【11】 BUG: ACCOUNT USAGE

  • I think a two-day discrepancy between two clients is too much, invites confusion, and is kind of meaningless if it is so far off the actual number of days left in a month (whatever that is). See screenshots below from the Mac and Web clients. The first one (gray on gray, of course) is from the Mac, and the second one is from the Web (gray on white isn't a whole lot better).
  • For your information, my account dates from the 17th, so I would guess that I actually have something like 23 days left, but I suppose that depends on how you count stuff. Why not just have something like: "Your upload allowance resets on March 17, in 23 days"?

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s74/sh/ea2a54f8-14f1-4369-bf1d-eb3783ce0251/7a0420357211506fc72e1b9c2d4147e0

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【12】 BUG: SEARCH


  • I've reported this for a few months (?) now. Somehow, my notes are being filtered so that nothing appears. This is an issue I encounter on a daily basis. At some point, I will do a search and I won't find anything. I clear it all and try again, and then I see the notes. It is kind of frustrating, especially when there is time pressure.
  • The first screenshot below is the failed search. The second one is the successful one. 
  • Am I doing something wrong? I really wish I had more data to work with, because in my opinion, what I see (the search information in the search field) ought to be what I get. 

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s74/sh/ea2a54f8-14f1-4369-bf1d-eb3783ce0251/7a0420357211506fc72e1b9c2d4147e0

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To add to my previous and very immediate response, I've discovered that *each* item you drag to a "Quick Note" produces a new note each. This seems weird; you'd expect you were creating one note only as with the old ⌘+Ctrl+N functionality. Is this intentional? (Re-reading before posting, and realising it probably is ... and I can see a use for it. But this quicknoteamajig should go and get its own keyboard command instead of hijacking the good, old ⌘+Ctrl+N.) 

 

Also, I discovered - which is a slight sooth - that a Quick Note will be given a title based on the first line of text. However, it seems it just counts characters and ignores linebreaks (see this example); it would be helpful if only characters on the first line of text would be counted and used for title. I am still in favor of being able to manually add titles, notebooks and tags. Or at least let me tell Evernote to put Quick Notes into a specified notebook.

 

There are also issues with what happens with the new Quick Note popup when you are already doing stuff inside Evernote. If you're using multiple monitors working with Evernote on the secondary one, you suddenly find yourself typing in that tiny new popup on the other monitor instead of just giving me a new note. It even pops down when I am in fullscreen mode. Honestly? Just give me a new note! I am right here anyways! I anticipate, someone will reply: "But you can always click on the "New note"-button" Yes. Or a couple of times if I actually intend to have the note in a different notebook from the one I am working one. Afterwards it's a trivial thing to have to click back to were I was. Of course. 

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Noted til here. 

 

Titling/tagging will come in the future. This is v1 *BETA*, pgdahl :)

 

We leave Quick Note open until you close it because we thought you might want to drag/drop things in there. I mean, who knows... you still might!

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Actually the dialog does currently close when it loses focus. And dragging an item does not close it. And those are both perfectly understandable from my perspective.

 

It's just that clicking on the menu bar or items there does not close the dialog - and I think it should. But that's a small thing really.

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Any chance the cool URL shortening feature from [REDACTED] will make it over to Evernote? I kinda like that functionality...

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Titling/tagging will come in the future. This is v1 *BETA*, pgdahl :)

 

I can only respond to what I *SEE*, Jackolicious. But it is not the first time, I've been picked on for not being familiar with the dev team's plans before posting.

 

That was, by the way, not my only complaint (and I was not the only one complaining about the lack of being able to tag and bag.) 

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【8】 SUGGESTION: BLACK AND WHITE

  • Please reconsider the gray on gray color scheme. I know, this is

    an old complaint of mine, but I am wondering why it is still here! 

  • I am sure that some thought went into this, but I just cannot see

    the benefits for me as a user. It is difficult to see, right? I have

    great eyesight -- I work on an 11" MBA and don't mind poor resolution or

    tiny characters for all of my work, but it is only in Evernote that I

    feel like things are fuzzy and indistinguishable. Surely, it isn't just

    me who thinks it makes sense to have black on white. From a usability /

    accessibility perspective, it seems strikingly obvious to me, but maybe I

    just need to be schooled in design.

  • In the first screenshot below, tell me that you think the trash

    icon, the people sharing my trash (why are people sharing my trash?),

    and even the gray on gray of the snippet view ("who") is easier to see

    than this text I have written right here black on white.

  • Surely, the second screenshot below is a joke, right? You cannot

    honestly tell me that the name of the stack in the screenshot below is

    legible (it says 公用). I really think this gray on gray thing is bizarre,

    and I strongly recommend you reconsider this from an accessibility

    perspective.

 

Grumpy - once again, you're a bit too polite.  You need to be more assertive: the grey-on-grey is CR@P.

 

Seriously.  I'm sure it breaches the UN Conventions on Accessibility, or something.  Whose brilliant idea was it anyway, to get rid of the coloured icons, and then to create this grey-on-grey nightmare?  I'm a surgeon who is used to looking at tiny details, often red-on-red or similar.  But this monochrome madness is awful, and seems to be infecting far too many aspects of life ever since Apple decided to go that way in Mac OS Lion.  But they ARE bringing back some of the colour - ever so slowly.  But Evernote isn't.  And grey-on-grey text is just plain craziness.  It does NOT "look good" or "stylish" or "cool and groovy". IT LOOKS CR@P.  You may as well go the whole hog in the illegibility stakes and move to white on white!

 

There now - I can be more assertive, being in Australia and out of harm's way... ;):ph34r:

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