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6 hours ago, Dave-in-Decatur said:

I know it's a pain to actually read through the thread, but....

 

Requested since 2012, says something like minimum of 6 months of efforts and only available on UWP?

Lot of other note taking apps based on win32 has dark mode already such as simplenote, google keep, joplin, and many more, they knows it is important features and even google understands.

so basically mr.mathew720 means 7 years is not enough, Maybe 20 years later then evernote implements dark mode then it's already too late, people already using onenote at that time.

 

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7 hours ago, shojimeguro said:

Requested since 2012, says something like minimum of 6 months of efforts and only available on UWP?

Six months of effort is a huge cost in development time -- development resources are finite. And I can almost guarantee you that there are other items with higher priority in the list. So high cost and lower priority means it's less likely to be done sooner. Simple project management.

If dark mode is your critical feature, then you should probably seek elsewhere, unfortunately.

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I've seen this feature requested enough that it's priority should probably raised.  I haven't seen too many more important features delivered in the last few years of using Evernote., but admit that I use it less than I used to because it's bright on my screen.  

If alternative color schemes are really 6mo of effort, then there is obviously some engineering debt around how this is being done, and that  itself would warrant taking a look at it. 

I would be stunned  if this was actually a 6mo feature.   Bottom line, if reading and writing notes creates undue eyestrain, and therefore discouraging use of the app, what do the rest of the features matter? 

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28 minutes ago, saphetiger said:

I've seen this feature requested enough that it's priority should probably raised.  I haven't seen too many more important features delivered in the last few years of using Evernote., but admit that I use it less than I used to because it's bright on my screen.  

We users don't have a lot of insight into Evernote's issue list and their prioritization, but there's lots and lots of feature requests in this subforum (specific to Windows) and the general feature request subforum (which often apply to Evernote), We do know, or can infer, from the CEO's comments elsewhere that the Windows platform is roughly 12% of their user base, so that's a factor as well. Combined with that, they'currently engaged in large re-engineering effort across all of their clients; see the Behind the Scenes videos (https://discussion.evernote.com/forum/306-behind-the-scenes-series/) and any forum postings by the CEO @Ian Small. All of which impinge on development resources. It's not solely a matter of priority, it's always a matter of priority vs. cost.

44 minutes ago, saphetiger said:

If alternative color schemes are really 6mo of effort, then there is obviously some engineering debt around how this is being done, and that  itself would warrant taking a look at it. 

Sure there's technical debt associated with re-engineering classic Win32 API based UI for dark mode. Because it's not supported by the Microsoft APIs. See, e.g. https://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/e36eb4c0-4370-4933-943d-b6fe22677e6c/dark-mode-apis?forum=windowssdk. There's no magic "Expecto Darkonus" spell, sad to say.

57 minutes ago, saphetiger said:

I would be stunned  if this was actually a 6mo feature.   Bottom line, if reading and writing notes creates undue eyestrain, and therefore discouraging use of the app, what do the rest of the features matter? 

The 6 month estimate comes from @dconnet in this very thread. Notice their user badge. I'll leave it to you to discuss with someone who's actually seen the code. For what it's worth, I value functionality, reliability and usability over dark mode, by a wide margin. Eyestrain isn't a problem for everyone (or me fortunately).  But all use cases are  different, and your mileage may vary.

Other platforms evidently get dark mode support "for free", so that's been added as feasible. For the Windows client, a different story. I think that if it were easy, they'd have already done it.

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11 hours ago, shojimeguro said:

Requested since 2012, says something like minimum of 6 months of efforts and only available on UWP?

Lot of other note taking apps based on win32 has dark mode already such as simplenote, google keep, joplin, and many more, they knows it is important features and even google understands....

Do those other apps have dark mode in their Windows Store versions only? For some reason, problems with the Windows Store version of Evernote get reported here fairly frequently, introduced by something Windows does to the app in putting it into the Store. I can understand why Evernote would not want to introduce a feature available only in the Windows Store version, without a lot of ground-up programming to get it into the regular app.

3 hours ago, saphetiger said:

.... Bottom line, if reading and writing notes creates undue eyestrain, and therefore discouraging use of the app, what do the rest of the features matter? 

This, I think, is the most important point, avoiding speculations (including mine) about what Evernote is capable of doing and why and when. For some people, the eyestrain issue is first and foremost, preventing work from getting done. So I hope that Evernote will indeed do this; but in the meantime, it may indeed be necessary for those for whom this is the primary issue to find other tools.

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22 hours ago, jefito said:

Six months of effort is a huge cost in development time -- development resources are finite. And I can almost guarantee you that there are other items with higher priority in the list. So high cost and lower priority means it's less likely to be done sooner. Simple project management.

If dark mode is your critical feature, then you should probably seek elsewhere, unfortunately.

Sure huge cost, but everybody knows evernote has much better profit than other small apps like simplenote, google keep, joplin, and many more so huge cost is most likely invalid reasons.

yes i am seeking onenote since microsoft seems to understand their users much better than evernote

21 hours ago, saphetiger said:

I've seen this feature requested enough that it's priority should probably raised.  I haven't seen too many more important features delivered in the last few years of using Evernote., but admit that I use it less than I used to because it's bright on my screen.  

If alternative color schemes are really 6mo of effort, then there is obviously some engineering debt around how this is being done, and that  itself would warrant taking a look at it. 

I would be stunned  if this was actually a 6mo feature.   Bottom line, if reading and writing notes creates undue eyestrain, and therefore discouraging use of the app, what do the rest of the features matter? 

Agreed, even big company such as google, microsoft, apple, and many more are implemented this feature because they know it is important.

such a shame big company such as evernote doesnt understand.

18 hours ago, Dave-in-Decatur said:

Do those other apps have dark mode in their Windows Store versions only? For some reason, problems with the Windows Store version of Evernote get reported here fairly frequently, introduced by something Windows does to the app in putting it into the Store. I can understand why Evernote would not want to introduce a feature available only in the Windows Store version, without a lot of ground-up programming to get it into the regular app.

This, I think, is the most important point, avoiding speculations (including mine) about what Evernote is capable of doing and why and when. For some people, the eyestrain issue is first and foremost, preventing work from getting done. So I hope that Evernote will indeed do this; but in the meantime, it may indeed be necessary for those for whom this is the primary issue to find other tools.

i thought we are now talking about win32 right? then you mean simplenote, joplin, and many more are not win32 apps ?

they dont even need windows store version to get dark mode, they can implement it on win32 !

yes i glad you understand how eyestrain issue is important but evernote ignored it

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1 hour ago, shojimeguro said:

Sure huge cost, but everybody knows evernote has much better profit than other small apps like simplenote, google keep, joplin, and many more so huge cost is most likely invalid reasons.

I don't think that anyone knows any such thing. Numbers, please?

Here's a number for you: Consider 6 months of developer time to implement. If that developer's salary is, say $100K/year, and there's company 50% overhead for benefits, infrastructure, etc. per employee, then that's a cost of $150K to develop the feature, not including design, QA, etc. That's very much ballpark but should give a rough idea. Now consider that the Windows side of Evernote is 12% of their users, and that Evernote has other competing features that they want/need to be implemented as well, including other user feature requests. How does that stack up against the profit number that you''re going to provide?

1 hour ago, shojimeguro said:

yes i am seeking onenote since microsoft seems to understand their users much better than evernote

Good luck. I tried to import my Evernote note database into OneNote, using Microsoft's importer a year or so ago, and it didn't go well, in fact, it was a disaster. Beyond that, OneNote is a good product, no doubt, but Evernote fits my workflow much better. But if it works better  for you, then of course you should use it.

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4 hours ago, shojimeguro said:

Sure huge cost, but everybody knows evernote has much better profit than other small apps like simplenote, google keep, joplin, and many more so huge cost is most likely invalid reasons.

yes i am seeking onenote since microsoft seems to understand their users much better than evernote

Agreed, even big company such as google, microsoft, apple, and many more are implemented this feature because they know it is important.

such a shame big company such as evernote doesnt understand.

i thought we are now talking about win32 right? then you mean simplenote, joplin, and many more are not win32 apps ?

they dont even need windows store version to get dark mode, they can implement it on win32 !

yes i glad you understand how eyestrain issue is important but evernote ignored it

 

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I think it's fair to say that windows being 12% of their user base is a deceptive metric.  If one noticed dark mode is missing, then chances are one is not using it exclusively on windows.  This inconsistency in the ui seems pretty at odds with stated goals of a consistent user experience. 

In all the years I've used Evernote, the stability has been pretty good, though any stability issues I've had have been in the poor neglected windows client. 

So let's set the windows32, windows and other windows specific versions aside.  

Is it 6mo if effort for the web version?  That would be a viable work around.

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On 8/14/2019 at 4:05 AM, jefito said:

development resources are finite.

Even more so now, since (um...) a few of us have moved on... The Windows crew was thin before I left. (:waves: Hi @RMorgan!)

(other quotes pulled from other posts in order as I read)

> then there is obviously some engineering debt around how this is being done

The code base is only about 15 years old... "some" is putting it mildly...

> I would be stunned  if this was actually a 6mo feature

I wouldn't. I used to work in that code.

> "Expecto Darkonus" spell

(I love you...)

> I can understand why Evernote would not want to introduce a feature available only in the Windows Store version

Remember, the EN store version is literally the Win32 binary in special packaging. So no "Expecto Darkonus" there either...

> If that developer's salary is, say $100K/year,

Remember, EN is in Silly Valley. I think college grads get more than that...

 

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1 hour ago, saphetiger said:

I think it's fair to say that windows being 12% of their user base is a deceptive metric.    If one noticed dark mode is missing, then chances are one is not using it exclusively on windows. 

The 12% figure is from the CEO,- albeit indirectly. See his post at  https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/120075-behind-the-scenes-series-improving-search-in-evernote-web/?tab=comments#comment-538307, and related posts, which you can track down there. It's probably better to say that it's 12% of Evernote usage, rather than user base, since many folks are indeed on multiple platforms. Even so, the comment on exclusive use of Windows has no bearing on this discussion. We know that 'there are folks who want dark mode on Windows, and we know roughly the relative Windows usage, and we can guess -- ballpark again -- at a rough figure for implementation.

1 hour ago, saphetiger said:

This inconsistency in the ui seems pretty at odds with stated goals of a consistent user experience. 

Um, well, knowing that you have an inconsistency and wanting to remedy it is one thing. Committing a not insignificant amount of company resources to implement the required changes is quite another.

1 hour ago, saphetiger said:

Is it 6mo if effort for the web version?  That would be a viable work around.

Different discussion entirely, since it's a different team, and also depends on your particular use case. I couldn't use the web client for my day-to-day work, so not viable for me. YMMV, of course.

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1 hour ago, dcon said:

Even more so now, since (um...) a few of us have moved on... The Windows crew was thin before I left. (:waves: Hi @RMorgan!)

Nothing I'd know anything about, except for you having left, of course. 

1 hour ago, dcon said:

> then there is obviously some engineering debt around how this is being done

The code base is only about 15 years old... "some" is putting it mildly..

Tell me that the old timeline view (from ca. 2008 and before) is still in there!! How do I turn it on?? And wasn't there a C# phase there (or was it Manageg C++ or C++/CLI?). It's all such a blur. But some sympathy, yes -- the code base I work on is ~20 years old, and retains the original MFC Doc/View file names, though it's moved on much much farther than its original scope.

1 hour ago, dcon said:

> If that developer's salary is, say $100K/year,

Remember, EN is in Silly Valley. I think college grads get more than that...

Yeah, I was deliberately low-balling that whole estimate so that I couldn't be accused of over-estimating to prove a point. Even so, that's still a little high for the far off corner of the country where I live.

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4 hours ago, jefito said:

Um, well, knowing that you have an inconsistency and wanting to remedy it is one thing. Committing a not insignificant amount of company resources to implement the required changes is quite another. 

Consistent user experience across platforms has been a topic frequently embraced when talking about future EN development. 

 

4 hours ago, jefito said:

Different discussion entirely, since it's a different team, and also depends on your particular use case. I couldn't use the web client for my day-to-day work, so not viable for me. YMMV, of course.

This is a possible bang for buck win.  A catch all where if this is something that you care about you could have dark mode on your platform. 

The fundamental argument that the windows code base is old and therefore cumbersome to update only hints that it needs more attention, not that it warrants attention less. 

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1 hour ago, saphetiger said:

Consistent user experience across platforms has been a topic frequently embraced when talking about future EN development. 

Talked about, yes, and for a long time. But it's still a work in progress (see the Behind the Scenes video series). And again, the high cost thingy would tend to push it down the prioritization list, most likely.

1 hour ago, saphetiger said:

This is a possible bang for buck win.  A catch all where if this is something that you care about you could have dark mode on your platform. 

Do you really think that hordes of new paid users would come flooding in due to the addition of dark mode? Really?

1 hour ago, saphetiger said:

The fundamental argument that the windows code base is old and therefore cumbersome to update only hints that it needs more attention, not that it warrants attention less. 

The fundamental argument is that particular feature requires a lot of time (read money) to implement, regardless of the state of the rest of the code base. Neither you nor I can see behind the walls to say how they make their prioritizations. But it sounds to me -- based on available evidence -- that the answer's no, at least at this time, bcause it's not worth it, for whatever reason (and there are almost certainly other factors going on behind the scenes).

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1 hour ago, jefito said:

Do you really think that hordes of new paid users would come flooding in due to the addition of dark mode? Really?

No, but I do think not having this while competitors do could definitely convince people to go elsewhere.  I could also see free users not becoming paid subscribers for the same. 

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Just a little reminder, Evernote is now working on a unified editor across all 5 platforms, instead of maintaining them separately, meaning that if other platforms have dark mode, Windows will have it too (very likely). 

I totally understand the frustration and disappointment of Evernote not being improved much over the past few years. I did move away to competitor product, until I see Evernote releasing the Behind The Scene videos. The intention of these videos is clear, Evernote is trying to improve the product, but it takes time, and during this period, old versions will have the least improvement. Evernote is asking us to give them time. So far from the Behind The Scene videos, the future of Evernote seems pretty promising. I am convinced, so I came back. Maybe wait for a few months to see how it goes. 

But that doesn't mean it is for everyone. I am not here to convince people to stay, just to let people know this information. Making a switch and having to setup all the workflow from the ground up is always painful and expensive. So providing this little piece of information might help people when they have to make a decision. 

Hope this helps. 

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21 hours ago, jefito said:

And wasn't there a C# phase there

That was the previous store version. When I first joined (2013), there was a single contractor who worked on that. I think he was there about a year (fuzzy memory), then that version went into a holding pattern until the Win32 version was packaged for the store.

> Tell me that the old timeline view (from ca. 2008 and before) is still in there!!

Sorry, no (at least I don't think so - pretty sure it was out of the code before I began). Usually when a major feature is removed, it's really removed.

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2 hours ago, dcon said:

That was the previous store version. When I first joined (2013), there was a single contractor who worked on that. I think he was there about a year (fuzzy memory), then that version went into a holding pattern until the Win32 version was packaged for the store.

> Tell me that the old timeline view (from ca. 2008 and before) is still in there!!

Sorry, no (at least I don't think so - pretty sure it was out of the code before I began). Usually when a major feature is removed, it's really removed.

Ha -- all that was just kidding. I didn't like the timeline version when I first encountered Evernote, but when that was replaced and I checked it out again, I jumped on right away and have been an Evernoter ever since. I think that there actually was a .Net version (3.5??) that was the standard release (not store) but if I recall correctly, its performance wasn't great.=, and it went away in favor of straight Win32, which it's been ever since. Oh, Google to the rescue: https://gigaom.com/2010/01/22/evernote-3-5-for-windows-released/. I think that the original store version may have been the C# version you're referring to, and it was never all that useful to me. I checked it out, but it wasn't even close to what I need.

13 hours ago, faifaifai said:

Just a little reminder, Evernote is now working on a unified editor across all 5 platforms, instead of maintaining them separately, meaning that if other platforms have dark mode, Windows will have it too (very likely). 

Right. That's the "work in progress" bit that I referred to. The "when" part is not clear currently, its immanence plus the estimated effort to convert the Win32 version to support dark mode means that they're almost certainly not gonna do it for Win32; your comment "Evernote is trying to improve the product, but it takes time, and during this period, old versions will have the least improvement" pretty much nails it.

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On 8/16/2019 at 9:24 AM, jefito said:

 just kidding

:) i knew that!

On 8/16/2019 at 9:24 AM, jefito said:

think that there actually was a .Net version (3.5??)

Yes, I heard stories of that! As far I know, when that was abandoned, the original C++ code from before was brought back. (That also poisoned the lead dev to anything XAML related)

On 8/16/2019 at 9:24 AM, jefito said:

I think that the original store version may have been the C# version you're referring to

Yes, completely different from v3.5.

On 8/16/2019 at 9:24 AM, jefito said:

The "when" part is not clear currently,

Originally, it was supposed to be well before when I left. I literally LOLd at them (as my old boss can attest to!). He did (grudgingly) admit that I was right... I'm not running that preview/beta, so no idea where they are on it.

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Again @dcon (and sorry, can't stop thinking of the popular rodent control product line when I see the new moniker), thanks for the insights, your work on the Windows Evernote, and your participation on the forums both then and now. Hope that you find happiness in your new endeavor.

I haven't run the Windows preview/beta either, just following the current new web beta, and will try out the next phase Windows application so long as we can run it side-by-side with the old one (with separate databases) as promised.

If the lead developer you're talking about was @kvitekp, he was also a great forum resource. I know a fair bit about operating Evernote for Windows, but there's nothing so definitive as the information coming from someone familiar with the code/design. Anyways, cheers!

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On 8/17/2019 at 5:17 PM, jefito said:

(and sorry, can't stop thinking of the popular rodent control product line when I see the new moniker)

While it's a play on my real name, I picked it very much because of that. I'm a programmer - I kill bugs dead!

 

On 8/17/2019 at 5:17 PM, jefito said:

he was also a great forum resource

That he was! Great guy too... (and we actually have the same birthday! We had to do some serious time-zone math to figure out who was actually older - me by a couple hours)

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23 hours ago, dcon said:

That he was! Great guy too... (and we actually have the same birthday! We had to do some serious time-zone math to figure out who was actually older - me by a couple hours)

Funny that. At a previous job, I had been there a couple of years, and was reading the comments on someone else's checkin, and they noted it was their birthday, which was the same as mine! Turned out it was also the same year as well, though we never figured out who was actually older. I know that the probability of two people in a room of 25 or so is about 50% (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthday_problem), but with the same birth year as well, in a company of ~200? Seems like that's a lot less probably. We also had a colleague with a Feb 29th birthday. too.

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For the TLDR crowd, translation: "I really really think dark mode is what makes a piece of software great, so I guess I'll just jump into the first dark mode life raft I can find and it will be groovy note takin' and note makin' times forever! And the winner is... OneNote!!!  (voice of Flounder from Animal House, "This is gonna be great!") So even though I don't really understand OneNote all that well -- or Evernote -- I'm just going to jump in feet first, 'cuz I have a master plan!!.An-n-n-n-n-d ***Kersplash!!!*** OK, that happened. So OneNote's importer is *still* pretty much borked, and screwed up my big plan. And my organization. And other stuff, that took a long time to fix up by hand. Because Microsoft, with all its myriad resources, doesn't match up all that well to Evernote's architecture, and didn't even fix their broken importer after 2 years cause the don't care or don't get it.  But yeah, man, *whistle whistle* 'Jus' castin' off those old Evernote chains, shoo-doo-be-doop! Hey OneNote's got a beautiful dark mode and it's free, free, free!! Oh well, my time isn't free, and by the way, its search sucks, and it's tedious to work with and its forums are filled with lackluster no-hopers who just put up with OneNote's nonsense (at least you can get some good info out of those boners in the Evernote forums once in awhile, if you can ever get them to be serious for even three seconds). But anyways, did I mention it has dark mode? Big beautiful dark mode? Maybe the best dark mode!! I really like OneNote a lot!! ❤❤🐶🐶🌷🌸🌹🌺🌼!!! Yay OneNote!!!"

Vaya con whateva...

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12 hours ago, prz said:

I've made the move to OneNote, and I'm very happy with it - wonderful Dark Mode.  I wrote a couple of blog posts on why I left and how it went:

http://paulzimmer.dreamhosters.com/blog/2018/01/07/evernote-to-onenote-why/

http://paulzimmer.dreamhosters.com/blog/2019/08/21/moving-from-evernote-to-onenote-part-2-the-process/

Adios!

Paul Zimmer

Paul, I checked out your blog posts. From what I can see there, dark mode is the primary, almost the only factor in your decision, along with the evaluation that ON is about at parity with EN (which I assume is correct) and that EN is in serious trouble and is abandoning EN for Windows (which is rank speculation, verging on FUD). I also note that, in exploring OneNote's forums for issues around initial import and organization, you learned that "Apparently, people just deal with this nonsense. It seems crazy to me."--pretty much exactly what some folks (not you) say here about EN and its users.

So, I hope it goes well for you, and best wishes for, um, pretty much exactly what you already had, but with dark mode.

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Sorry, Paul, but the blog reads like a don't convert to me.  Going from pothole group E to pothole group O.  That and "...organizing on the EN side is easier...".  How is it going to be when you organize in the future on ON?  If you think the juice is worth the squeeze, best wishes and I hope it works well for you.

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1 hour ago, Dave-in-Decatur said:

So, I hope it goes well for you, and best wishes for, um, pretty much exactly what you already had, but with dark mode.

Sorry, that was pretty snarky. I do recognize that dark mode is in fact a deal-breaker, essentially a health-and-well-being issue for some people.

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When I started with computers, all we had was dark mode: First came green on black, then (a revolution, one needed a special permit to get one of these) amber on black.

The first screen with nice black on white was my first Macintosh SE, back then.

But whoever wants dark mode - maybe some of the old CRTs are still selling on Ebay ... you just need to find a converter for the monitors plug. HDMI or DisplayPort will not do !

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Ah yes, green on black! I think I did move up to amber on black at one point. I also had a pre-Windows word processor that used yellow on dark blue. I don't know if it's good for me, but the fact is that I feel more like I'm writing with a paper-like white background.

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To Dave-in-Decatur and CalS,

The blog posts are intended to be an objective description of my experience, so that others can decide for themselves whether the effort is worth it to them - and perhaps avoid a few pitfalls.  And to give people a little real world data to estimate the effort required - something I couldn't find online when I started this.  

It was never intended as a sell job for OneNote.

For me, Dark Mode is a deal breaker.  And I assume it's pretty important to anyone else reading this thread.  I have concluded that Dark Mode on Windows is unlikely to appear anytime soon - in particular, before my hacked Evernote executable stops working.  I could be wrong.  But, like I said, it's a deal breaker for me.  I cannot use a retina-burn-white background, and I decided to get it over with while my hacked version is still working and I had some free time to work on it.

And, so far, I'm quite happy with OneNote.  It feels comfortable already.  And I can use my SPro and pen as a tablet - even record voice sync'ed to the content.  It has replaced Livescribe for me.  For me, it was worth the time I invested.  Others may make different tradeoffs.  The blog posts were intended to help people make that tradeoff.

Paul Zimmer

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3 minutes ago, prz said:

To Dave-in-Decatur and CalS,

The blog posts are intended to be an objective description of my experience, so that others can decide for themselves whether the effort is worth it to them - and perhaps avoid a few pitfalls.  And to give people a little real world data to estimate the effort required - something I couldn't find online when I started this.  

It was never intended as a sell job for OneNote.

For me, Dark Mode is a deal breaker.  And I assume it's pretty important to anyone else reading this thread.  I have concluded that Dark Mode on Windows is unlikely to appear anytime soon - in particular, before my hacked Evernote executable stops working.  I could be wrong.  But, like I said, it's a deal breaker for me.  I cannot use a retina-burn-white background, and I decided to get it over with while my hacked version is still working and I had some free time to work on it.

And, so far, I'm quite happy with OneNote.  It feels comfortable already.  And I can use my SPro and pen as a tablet - even record voice sync'ed to the content.  It has replaced Livescribe for me.  For me, it was worth the time I invested.  Others may make different tradeoffs.  The blog posts were intended to help people make that tradeoff.

Paul Zimmer

Helped me, thanks.

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On 8/22/2019 at 10:45 PM, prz said:

To Dave-in-Decatur and CalS,

The blog posts are intended to be an objective description of my experience, so that others can decide for themselves whether the effort is worth it to them - and perhaps avoid a few pitfalls.  And to give people a little real world data to estimate the effort required - something I couldn't find online when I started this.  

It was never intended as a sell job for OneNote.

For me, Dark Mode is a deal breaker.  And I assume it's pretty important to anyone else reading this thread.  I have concluded that Dark Mode on Windows is unlikely to appear anytime soon - in particular, before my hacked Evernote executable stops working.  I could be wrong.  But, like I said, it's a deal breaker for me.  I cannot use a retina-burn-white background, and I decided to get it over with while my hacked version is still working and I had some free time to work on it.

And, so far, I'm quite happy with OneNote.  It feels comfortable already.  And I can use my SPro and pen as a tablet - even record voice sync'ed to the content.  It has replaced Livescribe for me.  For me, it was worth the time I invested.  Others may make different tradeoffs.  The blog posts were intended to help people make that tradeoff.

Paul Zimmer

 

Agreed, especially on Dark Mode on Windows is unlikely to appear anytime soon, i mean this already requested since 2012 and 7 years later still no dark mode...

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On 8/22/2019 at 10:45 AM, prz said:

To Dave-in-Decatur and CalS,

The blog posts are intended to be an objective description of my experience, so that others can decide for themselves whether the effort is worth it to them - and perhaps avoid a few pitfalls.  And to give people a little real world data to estimate the effort required - something I couldn't find online when I started this.  

It was never intended as a sell job for OneNote.

For me, Dark Mode is a deal breaker.  And I assume it's pretty important to anyone else reading this thread.  I have concluded that Dark Mode on Windows is unlikely to appear anytime soon - in particular, before my hacked Evernote executable stops working.  I could be wrong.  But, like I said, it's a deal breaker for me.  I cannot use a retina-burn-white background, and I decided to get it over with while my hacked version is still working and I had some free time to work on it.

And, so far, I'm quite happy with OneNote.  It feels comfortable already.  And I can use my SPro and pen as a tablet - even record voice sync'ed to the content.  It has replaced Livescribe for me.  For me, it was worth the time I invested.  Others may make different tradeoffs.  The blog posts were intended to help people make that tradeoff.

Paul Zimmer

Agreed.  I was a EN user a while back, switched to ON because an employer blocked EN.   But I find ON a little slower/kludgy, even if otherwise they're the same.  However I can sync across all my devices in ON for free, and as mentioned, it already has dark mode.  I was about to upgrade to a paid EN to test it again, but now that I see there is no Dark Mode even promised for Windows.... this is just ridiculous.  My eye health is not negotiable.  I've lost most of my night vision already, and I simply cannot use white background apps anymore, period.

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we need dark mode. We've needed it for years. no excuse as to why it's not here yet. I haven't noticed a single other new feature or performance enhancement, so I haven no idea what they're working on.

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I just found out that Slack just got their dark theme. Now only Evernote is the only app in my work flow that is still using win32api like interface lol

 

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16 hours ago, Arvin Yorro said:

I just found out that Slack just got their dark theme. Now only Evernote is the only app in my work flow that is still using win32api like interface lol

 

The guy who actually built the current release has explained that there's no way to use the current code base to invoke a 'dark' option in the current Windows code base. 

So Evernote would need to rewrite the application from the ground up to deliver a dark mode.

That rewrite has actually been started (although I don't know whether a Dark Mode is one of the immediate priorities)

It won;t happen overnight either way.

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Simply speaking... I WON'T extend my Evernote subscription for another year if you won't come up with DARK MODE for Windows.

Don't be ridiculous already, Evernote Team.

Counting on the deadline. 

OVER AND OUT.

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Just to point out.  It can be “over” or it can be “out”.  “Over and out” makes no sense.  

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The all caps leads to more Out than Over.

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Hello everyone,

I found a solution to have a dark mode for evernote on windows and on the web.

  1. In Chrome install the " Midnight Lizard" extension which turns ALL websites into dark mode. 
  2. Open Web Evernote then go to More tools -> create shortcut, tick open in new window.
  3. Drag shortcut into your launch bar.

Enjoy!

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Evernote should be seriously embarassed. This is such a basic feature that has been requested for years. They even already implimented it on some platforms. Port it to windows already!

Don't even know why I pay for evernote anymore...

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Maybe one should read through a thread before adding to it.

EN depends on the OS to set up something like a dark mode, unless they want to create it from scratch today, just to see it skipped by an OS update tomorrow. Windows currently does not support a dark mode from the OS.

So it is easy to get dark mode, if one is serious about it: Get yourself a Mac, get yourself an iPad, they all support dark mode by the OS, and in EN there is one simple switch: Stay in daylight mode all the time, or use the dark mode setting from the OS settings. If you choose this, you get dark mode always on, or depending on a toggle in the OS. MacOS can even use the daily sunset hour to switch to dark mode.

Or blame who is to blame, which is MS for not properly supporting a dark mode ...

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... and 

On 10/17/2019 at 11:17 AM, Kikohs said:

I found a solution to have a dark mode for evernote on windows and on the web.

???

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21 hours ago, stackers said:

Evernote should be seriously embarassed. This is such a basic feature that has been requested for years. They even already implimented it on some platforms. Port it to windows already!

The dark mode problem relates directly to how Evernote is implemented in Windows and solutions for other operating systems do not apply to Windows, so they cannot be ported. Plenty more details are already available in this thread; please see comments from former employee dconnet. While you may consider it to be a 'basic feature', it is evidently not a simple feature to implement, and therefore is -- so far as we now know -- currently prioritized down.

21 hours ago, stackers said:

Don't even know why I pay for evernote anymore...

Only you can answer that one. If dark mode is a critical feature for you, then you should use a different platform where Evernote does implement dark mode, or use a different note-keeping solution.

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