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Nick Nassiri

Evernote for Windows 6.13 Beta 3

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Hello Everyone,

Today we're announcing the availability of version 6.13 Beta 3. You can download it here or check for updates (make sure you've opted in to get Beta updates from Options.) 

If you're one of the small group of users that have seen annoying blue boxes around their content and attachments, or you found yourself unable to edit all notes without downgrading -- this build's for you.

Please check it out and let us know what you think. 

Thanks,
Nick and the Windows Team at Evernote

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Release Notes for Version 6.13 Beta 3

Note: Versions 6.13 is supported in Windows OS versions 7 and up.

Improved (cumulative changes since version 6.12):

  • Optional disabling of video hardware (GPU) acceleration while note editing
  • Optional verbose logging feature for issues that occur while note editing
  • Encryption between the client and server has been beefed up.
  • We let users save audio locally if they’ve exceeded the note size
  • Users are prevented from making content changes when the Evernote client database is locked by another process (e.g., antivirus scanner)
  • Evernote client asks once and remembers when you don't want to see a "note move" notification.
  • More easily manage and navigate your notebooks from the Notebooks View. You can access this by selecting 'Notebooks' from the left panel.
  • Messaging to alert the user when they're approaching their notebook limit

 

Fixed (cumulative changes since version 6.12):

  • Sync icon (blue arrow) reliably hides when changes are synced
  • We close open note windows when you quit Evernote, just like you would expect
  • Some users were seeing blue boxes around items in their notes or weren't able to edit notes -- that's gone
  • Emojis sometimes now get rendered properly in the title and body
  • Business notebooks can now be moved in shortcuts
  • Kanji characters no longer render in a Mandarin font
  • Clicking quickly around in the note list no longer opens the wrong note
  • The cursor stays in the note body when the user navigates away from the title field
  • Files can be consistently reattached after deleting or undoing an editing action
  • Print behavior works consistently between the main note and single note view
  • Work Chat no longer flags an inbound message as a new thread when it’s not
  • Notebook count is correct
  • Large lists of notes and tags are scrollable as expected
  • We gracefully handle when some video cards incorrectly report their capabilities
  • Some users were intermittently unable to add a new note. We patched that.
  • Numbered lists keep their numbering sequence intact consistently
  • Drag & Drop of files and documents from Evernote to other apps
  • Keyboard shortcut for renaming Notebook Stacks now consistently works
  • Note statistics remain on screen when expected
  • And of course: Misc. other product bug fixes and improvements.
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13 hours ago, FactMan said:

Unfortunately, and sadly, I have to agree. I spent a lot of time making Evernote work for me with notebooks and tags. Huge number of tags. It meant that I could generally find things very quickly. However, it was becoming more and more depressing to see the increasing number of backward steps that were being made in 'upgrades.' ...

I have to agree with this. I've been a long term Evernote support, and went through the ECL program. But I too can no longer recommend it. They never sorted out note sharing, work chat is unusable and now these sync bugs have tipped me over the edge to look elsewhere. I'm curious what you went too? I found Notion.so which has an amazing editing environment, streets ahead of evernote there, but immature in other areas which hold me back from switching.

If EN don't lift their game very soon, they will be dead in the water.

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1 hour ago, gustavgi said:

We are talking about the new GA here since it doesn't have a thread yet.. And I wonder why...

...so the innocent guys who installed the GA looking for support (and usually not following this thread) have nowhere to go... Another thing that is just not OK.

⚰️📌(<- nail!)

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14 hours ago, EdH said:

Sadly, their lawyers would laugh at you. The EULA/TOS specifically excludes damages, or that the the program will even perform as claimed. Very very typical of software contracts.

In that case only thing is left is for them too lose customers, because it would seem Evernote is only committed to destroying their once bellowed product. 

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2 hours ago, Maddhin said:

...so the innocent guys who installed the GA looking for support (and usually not following this thread) have nowhere to go... Another thing that is just not OK.

⚰️📌(<- nail!)

Exactly. Its only smaller percentage of users who follow this frustrating forum. The rest of people who install GA are in for a nasty surprise. 

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4 hours ago, gustavgi said:

We are talking about the new GA here

Sorry, I saw it in the "beta 3" section and just assumed it was referring to "beta 3" software.

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4 minutes ago, OrbWeaver said:

Sorry, I saw it in the "beta 3" section and just assumed it was referring to "beta 3" software.

They basically said they are planing to release a new GA with known bugs from beta 3, which has happened in the past few GA releases and seems to be getting progressively worse. Makes no sense. 

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1180940805_helpusimprove-ScreenClip.png.f9ad80a4fa5f3b1cbf3b1497c3b27bf1.pngOh look...   a new "feature" in 6.13GA it would seem...   

Hey, Evernote staff --- I am already trying to help you improve by being in the beta program. You're just NOT listening!

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No, you are not working on bug fixes. You are telling this every time, and nothing happens. In contrary there are more bugs being introduced with every release. You are not in control of these releases, do you even have a list of all the bugs?

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After first clicking on the newly created note link in forwarded e-mails, instead of taking me to the linked note, the Evernote displays the multi-select view I get when trying to merge notes. The multi-select view consists of the linked note and some random note.  I have to go back to the note I created the link in and click it again. After the second click, the Evernote view switches to the "All Notes" and correct note is displayed in the note body.  However, in the "All notes" list, the random note is selected. Go back to an originated note again. The third click both selects the corrected note in the "All notes" view and displays it in the note body. 

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1 hour ago, Nick Nassiri said:

Hey Gang,

I just wanted to let you know your feedback is being addressed. The Windows team is working on bug fixes.

-Nick

Nice to see you pop back in the forum.... just wondering if it's too much to ask when we might see a fix for the sync issue bug?  It's been "identified", but released to the masses.  It seems to be a pretty 'massive' problem for a large number of us - so instead of being productive beta testing new versions, we're having to roll back releases that bring back old bugs.  It's counter productive for everyone involved. "Working on it" just doesn't really do much to ease the minds of those of us afflicted with this bug.   Are we looking at days?  weeks? or even months (like we see with so many other issues) to have a fix released?

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13 minutes ago, ej8899 said:

It's been "identified"

But not fixed - still hunting the cause (the plan is to get this fix into a hotfix).

I did discover on my own notes that using the (hold Ctrl key)Help menu, selecting "Fix Selected Note" will fix the `"Note.updateSequenceNum"` error - however you will lose any local edits. I haven't tried Fix All Notes - that should fix all notes, but takes a while (and fixing all notes makes it hard to test!).

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52 minutes ago, dconnet said:

I did discover on my own notes that using the (hold Ctrl key)Help menu, selecting "Fix Selected Note" will fix the `"Note.updateSequenceNum"` error - however you will lose any local edits. I haven't tried Fix All Notes - that should fix all notes, but takes a while (and fixing all notes makes it hard to test!).

Interesting.  When I was still having some of the same problems everyone else is reporting, someone (I think EdH) suggested I try the Ctrl Help menu, which was totally new to me.  After trying the two Fix notes options, I no longer have those problems, though the only one I was able to observe directly for results was Fix Selected note, I couldn't tell whether Fix All Notes did anything.

Could you guys release some kind of help guide documentation for using those tools ourselves more intelligently, so we don't have to guess as to what we are doing with them, or whether they are indicated for certain problems?  That would be extremely helpful for all of us, I think.

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2 hours ago, Don Dz said:

Could you guys release some kind of help guide documentation for using those tools ourselves more intelligently, so we don't have to guess as to what we are doing with them, or whether they are indicated for certain problems?  That would be extremely helpful for all of us, I think.

+1, especially because of

3 hours ago, dconnet said:

however you will lose any local edits.

...

Seems to be buttons to be used with caution.

It's great to see Ctrl + Help - a lot of useful maintenance functions there - like erase unused tags, etc. 👍

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Coping a entire row from one table, then pasting it onto another note with a table and row, no longer works.

 

This even made it into the offical 6.13 release, is this purposely done?

 I simply couldn't use it without that feature, I just been through the painful task of rolling back.

 

( I guess it's ok because 13 is an unlucky number.)

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23 hours ago, Maddhin said:

+1, especially because of

however you will lose any local edits.

Seems to be buttons to be used with caution.

When/if  I was able to identify the troublesome notes (big if, I know), I found that duplicating them was enough to preserve the data when the edits of the original notes were lost (though often the system itself duplicated the notes into a conflicting notes folder)  The trick of course is to be alert to sync problems (total note count  in different devices is my usual hint).

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On 6/22/2018 at 1:54 PM, AndreasM said:

No, you are not working on bug fixes. You are telling this every time, and nothing happens. In contrary there are more bugs being introduced with every release. You are not in control of these releases, do you even have a list of all the bugs?

I don't know how they are working on fixes. They aren't visiting the forums. 🤷‍♂️

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On 6/22/2018 at 3:46 PM, dconnet said:

But not fixed - still hunting the cause (the plan is to get this fix into a hotfix).

I did discover on my own notes that using the (hold Ctrl key)Help menu, selecting "Fix Selected Note" will fix the `"Note.updateSequenceNum"` error - however you will lose any local edits. I haven't tried Fix All Notes - that should fix all notes, but takes a while (and fixing all notes makes it hard to test!).

Let me know if you need an ENEX file to play with. I have some notes that I coudl share with you directly via the messages feature of this forum. Won't post them as attachements to this public forum though.

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On 6/22/2018 at 7:43 PM, Maddhin said:

Seems to be buttons to be used with caution.

Indeed. I've used them in the past, but not for this. And it doesn't tell you what it did that I am aware of. It just silently finishes.

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Seems something changed with respect to the EN Windows team several months ago - new management, loss of personnel, new marching orders, etc.  - I have no idea what, but we can see the deterioration of the product and the process over the past several months. And they've been burning up a lot of goodwill, as evidenced by long-time EN Windows users who can no longer recommend EN to others (I'm in the same camp - I used to tell everyone about EN, but no way I could do that in good faith now).

On 6/21/2018 at 1:51 PM, EdH said:

And to think 2 years ago I went through the Evernote process to become an Evernote Community Leader. I wouldn't recommend this product to anyone in its current form. 

On 6/22/2018 at 7:47 AM, Michael Goulding said:

I have to agree with this. I've been a long term Evernote support, and went through the ECL program. But I too can no longer recommend it.

Can an employee that is reading this thread PLEASE pass this feedback to the head of EN Windows? Either this hasn't happened yet, despite similar sentiments being expressed in the beta and GA threads going back several months, or EN Windows management has a different agenda (in which case, good luck without your users).

I appreciate the users on the frontlines of beta testing. I dropped back a few releases ago - the incoming bug fire was too much for me. I'm hanging back on 6.11 GA until things change.

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On 6/22/2018 at 1:46 PM, Nick Nassiri said:

Hey Gang,

I just wanted to let you know your feedback is being addressed. The Windows team is working on bug fixes.

-Nick

Then why was the sync bug that was reported two weeks ago allowed to make it into a GA release? This isn't a nuisance. this is a show stopper.

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On 6/22/2018 at 4:46 PM, dconnet said:

But not fixed - still hunting the cause (the plan is to get this fix into a hotfix).

I did discover on my own notes that using the (hold Ctrl key)Help menu, selecting "Fix Selected Note" will fix the `"Note.updateSequenceNum"` error - however you will lose any local edits. I haven't tried Fix All Notes - that should fix all notes, but takes a while (and fixing all notes makes it hard to test!).

This "solution" defeats my purpose of evernote, however.   I collect data via multiple sources (mobile, emailed notes, ifttt, etc) and need to sit down and work on it from laptop A, but then may be back mobile and running on laptop B a bit later on in the day.. or perhaps needing a quick memo or update via android or ios platforms.    Having to be sure to go through laptop A or laptop B and 'fix notes', replace data that was lost in the fix notes process and try it all again is pointless.  

I'm stuck rolling back to 6.11 until the core of evernote (failure free-syncing) works again.

As an aside, do you ever expect "work chat" to work again or is evernote just trying to phase that out by making it mostly inoperable?  I haven't had it work properly since prior to March of this year. If Evernote plans on phasing out application features, it would be nice to know so that users can look for relacements instead of holding on to "hopes". 

 

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As an aside, do you ever expect "work chat" to work again...

If they stopped any WC effort as long as they have to work on sync-, cursor,- list-, paste- and other downgrade bugs, I've no problem with that ;-)

I haven't had it work properly since prior to March of this year.

Moreoften: every chat app is better than EN's work chat. Now they seem to introduce a smart link Microsoft Teams... Hope this works better than WC. They should concentrate on note management - not chatting.

it would be nice to know so that users can look for relacements instead of holding on to "hopes"

Yep - full agree.

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