List Indentation Very Unstable - Unpredictable Changes

[JWeinland 1]

Hi,

I primarily use Evernote for managing schedules and thus use the list formatting a lot for to-do-lists and similar types. Since the latest update, the indentation has been very unstable. I indent several parts of a list and 5 minutes later, some parts will be very different in terms of indentation again. It's very random and unpredictable when and how the list will behave, which makes it quite a pain to work with.

Before the update, it was all good and stable, I have also tried reverting back and using older Windows versions, but those just turned out to be as bad. I guess the internal text structure has changed and been saved to the cloud, so older versions won't help with my problem any more.

Hope this gets fixed.

 

Thanks,

Jan

[gazumped 11,652]

Hi.  Not sure what changed recently,  but it's not a temporary issue with a short or even medium term fix on the horizon.  Evernote are working towards a more effective editor,  but they won't say,  and we don't know whether that added functionality will arrive tomorrow or in a couple of years.  If you really need lists to keep your schedule straight you should probably be looking at another app.  I use Workflowy alongside Evernote - it's good with lists and bullets - and it does have a Mobile app too.  There's lots more out there...

[JWeinland 1]

3 hours ago, gazumped said:

Hi.  Not sure what changed recently,  but it's not a temporary issue with a short or even medium term fix on the horizon.  Evernote are working towards a more effective editor,  but they won't say,  and we don't know whether that added functionality will arrive tomorrow or in a couple of years.  If you really need lists to keep your schedule straight you should probably be looking at another app.  I use Workflowy alongside Evernote - it's good with lists and bullets - and it does have a Mobile app too.  There's lots more out there...

Never heard of Workflowy, but it seems awesome so far. Thank you very much for that workaround!

[MichaelAH 0]

I just opened Evernote on my tablet, as I regularly do, and while I haven't had any major issues for a good while, suddenly it changed a note's bulletpoints that were of the empty circle variant into the solid black one (but also left any that were a solid dot the same). - I quickly accepted it as a bug, and I went to check the online editor and it was of course the same. - However, even though I accepted it and decided to just fix it manually, it won't accept any changes. I've tried three times over the recent hours, but any changes I make, despite Evernote doing the "saving"-animation with the checkmark and me pressing the 'Done'-button, it just reverts to the messed up version.

And I'm sorry, but referring someone to an entirely different app or service isn't the solution, and it also indicates something is very wrong.
People put their trust with a company like Evernote to be a part of their workflow and also keep their information, but Evernote can't get something as simple as bulletpoints right. Even when it saves properly and doesn't mess up the save it's not well-designed. - It's 2018; Why can't Evernote do the one thing they claim to be specialized in? Text-editors have been around for decades, Evernote have been at it for years, yet it's bugged with mundane issues.

It's ridiculous. - I was, again, considering to become a paying member (and basically only to be able to use it on more than two devices), but that's out the window now, really.
You can tell me to switch to something else as well, but for quite some time I've been collecting a lot in Evernote, so it's easier said than done, and I have stuff to do as well. - Really, people need to get work done and they use tools like Evernote to make life easier. - If it were some big complex issue like... I don't know what, then fine. But changing indentations or bullet-points randomly and not saving changes you make?... It's basically broken then. It really feels like a product that was abandoned, right now.

Anyway, rant over... It's stupid. - And yes, I'm very annoyed; Don't pretend to be able to do something or provide a service and then not follow up on it. It's just causing setbacks for people who actually use it to increase productivity. But if it's not cooperating, and it's not the user's fault on top of that...

[gazumped 11,652]

5 hours ago, MichaelAH said:

referring someone to an entirely different app or service isn't the solution

No,  it's a work around that gets the job done.  Not defending Evernote as such,  but given they're trying to generate a text layout no matter which of several operating systems you're using on whatever device of several thousand possibilities,  their options for fixing this may not be as wide as they'd like.  Evernote folks (which isn't us by the way - I'm a user too) seem to be more than averagely smart and motivated,  and if they had the opportunity to fix this I'm sure they would. 

Also more paying users would help fund more engineers to fix things.  Just saying...

[Mabel Pines 0]

I've recently started using Evernote again after a long hiatus, and I've been noticing this issue a lot. As the last post was made about 7 weeks ago, I thought I'd ask if there have been any news -- is there a fix on the horizon, and/or a workaround that doesn't involve another app?

[gazumped 11,652]

18 hours ago, Mabel Pines said:

I've recently started using Evernote again after a long hiatus, and I've been noticing this issue a lot. As the last post was made about 7 weeks ago, I thought I'd ask if there have been any news -- is there a fix on the horizon, and/or a workaround that doesn't involve another app?

Nope,  sorry - there has been at least one version update since then,  but the release notes didn't feature this issue,  and I've not (AFAIK) seen anyone saying that it has been magically fixed.  I have seen other threads still complaining about related issues.

Not sure what other work-arounds there could be - if Evernote indents don't work for you,  then you kinda have to stop using indents or find a different option... 

[Mabel Pines 0]

Ugh ? As I feared. Well, thanks for letting me know!

[Ajay Pandey 0]

It's just a bad program. As a responsible premium customer, I'm fed up with such a bad program. Never encountered such badly coded program in my life.

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5 hours ago, Ajay Pandey said:

It's just a bad program. As a responsible premium customer, I'm fed up with such a bad program. Never encountered such badly coded program in my life.

"Badly coded" implies the app claims to do something which it is incapable of,  or does very badly. Evernote has never offered word processing,  just simple note-taking - which it does quite well.  I just completed one task that had me using a spreadsheet and a word processor because I wanted the sorting and printing flexibility of both. Then I embedded the spreadsheet in my note so the information is there next time I need it. 

On the same basis I've used Lightroom to edit an image that I embedded in a Word document because Lightroom has far better image editing facilities.

I use the specialised tools which suit my task - usually with a the file attached in Evernote.

[DTLow 5,736]

13 hours ago, Ajay Pandey said:

Never encountered such badly coded program in my life.

Just wondering where you got access to the program code?

[dcon 166]

3 hours ago, DTLow said:

Just wondering where you got access to the program code?

 

LOL. I remember that being actually fairly well architected code. Yes, some areas were a little delicate (Thar Be Dragons!), but not bad for a program that has something like 15 years of legacy code in it.