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HDMiller

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  1. I switched to Joplin a few months ago, and I love it.  It has almost all of the features of legacy Evernote that I relied on, and the few features it doesn't have I've learned to live without.  The biggest thing that Joplin doesn't have that I used extensively in Evernote is nested tags; Joplin has tags, you just can't nest them.   No other program has nested tags, either, though, so the only way to switch out of Evernote is to give up on nested tags.   There are also some things that Joplin does that Evernote doesn't do (you have to install some of the plugins to find some of them), so on balance, I feel like I've come out ahead.

    I use both the Windows and Android versions of Joplin and it syncs well and costs zero to do it as long as you have a Dropbox account or other mechanism for storing the data on the web.  (If you don't have Dropbox you can pay for Joplin's cloud storage).  I still have thousands of notes and documents stored in the Legacy version of Evernote, which I am slowly and selectively migrating to Joplin or deleting.  A lot of the stuff I have in Evernote is old and useless at this point, so even though I could mass-migrate it all, I don't really want to.   I switched off syncing of Evernote Legacy and just use it on Windows for finding the old stuff, and it works fine that way.  Anything I really want to be able to find on the Android version of Joplin, I just migrate it from Evernote to Joplin on Windows.  All of the new stuff that I store in Joplin is accessible in both places automatically.   

    Like any change, it takes a little while to adapt, but Joplin's structure is so close to Evernote that it really wasn't very hard.

    Staying subscribed to this forum reminds me how happy I am to have made the switch!

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  2. I gave up on Evernote 10 shortly after it came out because it was impossibly slow, and I've been happily using the "Legacy" version ever since.  Every time an update to Version 10 comes out, I wonder if they've fixed the slowness, and you've confirmed that they haven't.    Despite all of the complaints about slowness, Evernote hasn't had the courtesy to put out any kind of message saying that they recognize the problem, that they're working on it, what one can do to fix it, etc.  I got a survey a while back asking about slowness so it appears that they are aware of the problem.  Apparently Version 10 must work for some people; maybe those who only have a few notes or who don't care about speed.   If that's the case, they should just tell people not to upgrade if they have a lot of notes or whatever it is that causes the problem.

    What I find really offensive is that I'm now getting messages in the Legacy version asking me if I want to upgrade to 10.   I am afraid that I will accidentally click on this and ***** up my whole system.  The same thing happens on Android.  My phone is set to automatically upgrade every app EXCEPT Evernote, and I'm afraid that one of their "don't you want to upgrade?" messages will accidentally cause me to upgrade, and it's very hard to go backward on Android.

    So the short answer is: it's not just you. 

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  3. The data are stored locally.  But it's not in the same place as before and it's not the same format as before.  Every note is in its own file (actually its own subdirectory) in this directory:

     C:\Users\YOURNAME\AppData\Roaming\Evernote\resource-cache\UserXXXXXXXX

    There are thousands of subdirectories there with the Evernote note link IDs.   My theory is that is why Evernote is so slow now, because it has to open and save all of these subdirectories and files, rather than the one very big file it used before.  

    If you use the legacy version and the new version, then the same notes are stored in two different places on your hard drive.  Each version of the apps syncs the cloud data to one of those two places.  So if you make changes to notes using version 10 and then open up version 6, the changes that were synced to the cloud from Evernote 10 will sync back to your machine in the other location via version 6.  One problem is that you can't actually tell any more whether all of the changes have been synced under version 10.  Most of the time it was instantaneous, but sometimes the only way I could get something I saved using the Clipper to come to the local program was to shut it down and start it up again.  That's one of the many reasons I stopped using version 10, but the biggest reason was that it was impossibly slow to use.

    It is disappointing that so many people are raising questions and concerns about the new version, but no one from Evernote is responding to any of us.  It would be a simple matter to post something saying "here's how things work now, and here are the things we are planning to fix."

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  4. I am a very-long-time Evernote user.  I was looking forward to Version 10 because it was supposed to improve the one area where I thought Evernote was weak, and that was search.   (I can usually find things faster by going back to Google even if it was already saved in Evernote.)

    I've been using Evernote 10 since the day it was available.  The search function is much better, but I am stunned at how incredibly slow everything else is.  I tried to reorganize a bunch of notes yesterday and it was like slogging through molasses.   Creating a new note is very slow, and even adding a tag or changing the title of an existing note is slow.  If you try to change multiple notes (in succession, not simultaneously), the slowness multiplies, because it seems as though it's still doing something with the previous note when you've moved on to try and do something with the next note.  When I made changes to multiple notes in a row, it wouldn't even show the changes correctly in the list of notes.  The title or tag had changed in the note itself, but the list of notes still showed the old title and tags.  I thought it might be the fact that program was trying to constantly sync every change with the web, so I disconnected the computer from the internet and tried again, but the speed was only marginally better.   And when I reconnected to the internet, the syncing process took nearly an hour, even though I had only made about two dozen changes in names & tags.   I did this on a machine with an i7 processor, 16GB memory, 1TB hard drive, and Windows 10, so it's the software, not the machine.  The program makes me feel like I'm back on a 386 processor with 20MB of memory, which is not a fond memory.  

    So I installed what is now called the "Legacy" version, and did the exact same types of tasks.  Instantaneous response to every change I made.   I am not exaggerating when I say that what I can do in 5 minutes on version 6.25 will take an hour to do on version 10.  I love version 6.25 of Evernote, but not version 10.

    I'd be willing to live with some loss of minor features and to wait for various bugs to be fixed and missing features to be added, but I can't possibly use this program when it runs this slowly.   I'm not surprised that it's running this slowly, since every note seems to be stored in a separate file on my hard drive now; I have 40K notes and there are 40K files, whereas under the old version everything was in one .exb file.  What worries is me is that if this is new data structure that was designed to make Evernote better, it will never be faster.  Maybe it works fine for people with a few dozen notes, but I use a separate ToDo list program that could fill that need.  I've looked at all of the other note-taking programs (OneNote would be free for me to use and it's been on my computer since I first started using Evernote), but I think Evernote has far better features.   But great features are useless if it takes an hour every time one wants to use them.

    I would really like to hear from someone at Evernote to tell me what to expect.  If there is a reasonable hope that Evernote 10 can get back the speed and basic functionality of Evernote 6, then I am quite happy continuing to use the legacy version until then.  But if it's never going to get much better (at least for someone who has a lot of notes), then I would rather know that NOW and start transitioning to a different note software now, even if it's inferior, than to invest a lot of time adding and organizing stuff in Evernote only to wake up one day and find that version 6 will no longer work.

    Could someone at Evernote tell us what to expect, please?? 

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