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Andrew Sales

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  1. @Penwriter - Almost all modern cameras produced in the last half decade, along with all smartphone camera/image gallery interfaces, handle orientation. It is in fact easy to do, being a trivial software operation implemented by a huge number of existing apps with much smaller development resources than Evernote and it is simply shoddy to ignore it on a mobile image handling app. I simply find it incredible that people can seriously suggest this warrants going to the back of a five year queue for a company that has implemented OCR of image text and found time to make an app specifically for taking a picture of your lunch. So flipping an image display by 90 degrees is much more involved than performing optical character recognition, is it? Comparing correct image display with text formatting only used in technical writing seems perverse to me, but we can agree to differ here. I hope they sort out richer text formatting for you, but given they have been deaf to image orientation requests since 2008 don't hold your breath.
  2. Sorry to burst your bubble. But the board is littered with posts by other users with other feature requests who also seem to think their particular feature request is the one that will start rolling in the dollars for Evernote. So although it's your opinion & you're of course, entitled to it, Evernote's opinion is apparently different. I'd say this thread has outlived its usefulness.. (Like about 20 posts ago.) I find the tone of this forum rather defensive and unconstructive. There have been repeated insinuations that I am being rude in some way, or in your post here, deluded about the importance of my opinions. Isn't this just one thread on a user forum? I'm just focusing on an issue of EN's mobile app core functions. An issue that has had multiple users complain since at least 2009. It's not a feature request, it's a request that an existing feature, mobile photo note capture, works. Do you think it is kind or helpful to imply I am in a "bubble" and then state the fact that Evernote clearly doesn't agree with my priorities, as if this hadn't occurred to me? I don't. As to usefulness, I would have thought a better general response would be to agree that the app works rather suboptimally in this regard, update readers on any progress in the last year (none, apparently) and perhaps even join your voices with mine asking EN if this might be fixed. Instead we have had: 1. The issue is unimportant because very few use photonotes on mobile and photonote capture does not fall under the claim of "capturing everything". 2. The issue is too difficult to fix even though it is program all competitors can manage it. 3. I have personal defects that invalidate your complaint - mental bubbles, fixation, touchiness, snideness etc 4. Even if this is a genuine issue for some users, Evernote doesn't care, and doesn't have to do what I want so I should stop posting. Actually, that last point is probably all the information many users need. So thanks for that. I'll be back to check in a year.
  3. This seems to be incredibly naive & may explain why you're so fixated on the way photos are displayed. First, Evernote does indeed pretty much help/allow you to "capture everything". I can't even figure out why you would dispute that. I haven't disputed that, I have pointed out that part of this functionality is not implemented correctly. I do it because it is quicker than accessing an Evernote client and finding it with keystrokes and clicks in there. I guess I would clip something if it was really important and long-term but I usually find that web stuff I want to keep track of is either reliably accessible, or only of short term interest. The really brief stuff like reference numbers can be quickly snapped with a mobile, especially when work restrictions don't allow my usual browser/clipper setup. Just not usefully in Evernote. I see that this won't apply to everyone though. It clearly isn't the app for me! And all I want is basic mobile photo note capture! If they just implemented photo orientation, which is accomplished by everyone else, then it might very well be the app for me, and more importantly hundreds or thousands of other potential paying users. That's the whole point of the thread for me! Seems like a huge waste of potential to just shrug shoulders. It's not like this isn't eminently fixable.
  4. @Penwriter - very valid points, however a portrait photo note taken by the evernote app invariably and immediately displays incorrectly within that very same app. So it is definitely a bug. The app handles its own output incorrectly. It doesn't attempt superscript text and then show it as a subscript. Two very different issues. Workarounds with external apps double or treble the number of steps in a workflow and can expand the time taken by more than that. Using landscape orientation exclusively is unsatisfactory for many subjects, such as A4 documents, and furthermore does nothing to solve the problem of display of some imported images. Windows picture viewer destroying picture information by forcing users to destructively rotate images and not even then changing the EXIF flag so that they will be subsequently displayed correctly in more sophisticated photo software is a long-running open sore of the sort that probably only Microsoft is capable of maintaining. I don't think it makes Evernote look any more reasonable, particularly since at least this crime is not a within-app affair. @Jefito - If you don't think photo notes are core functionality or come under the remit of "capture anything" or capturing "things you see" then you have departed from common sense. And whether it is core or not, it still sucks. Playing sophist with the meaning of "note taking" is no more credible than hand waving about the complexity of image orientation. Requests for this basic functionality have been ongoing for at least 4 years, as far as my cursory inspection can tell. I haven't titled this thread appropriately (no idea why I used the similar title a year ago). When this thread dies out, no doubt very soon, I'll check back in another year in order to satisfy my morbid fascination.
  5. I read something, probably an Evernote blog post, about a year ago (and I'm sorry I don't have the citation) that said that web clipping accounts for some astronomically high percentage of people's use of Evernote. Apparently, it is most people's primary use for the service. It is certainly why I first started using it and why it continues to be such a huge part of my daily routine. I rarely use it for taking notes. Frankly, it doesn't excel at that. On my iOS devices, I uses Drafts and, on my computer, I've started using SimpleNote, either via the web or one of the clients I've downloaded both are fast, lightweight and great for writing quick notes. If keep ever comes up with an iOS version that has the kind of options Drafts does, I would definitely consider it for taking notes. That would be great if EN sold itself as a web-clipping platform, rather than a tool to "capture everything". May I ask, what exactly do you clip that you want to keep? Can't you just google anything you want again in about 3 seconds? Or do you need a lot of web content offline?
  6. Web clipping is pretty good, but I find I don't use it. It is usually quicker for me to find the content again on the internet using Google or history or favorites than it is to find a clipping on Evernote. You also get the most up to date version of the page, and I don't find content disappearing to be a significant problem. Tags are pretty good. That is one big gap in Keep, but I'm fairly confident they will implement them if the service survives. It would be wonderful if universal tags were implemented across GMail, Drive, Maps, Calendar and Keep.
  7. This is exactly the sort of tone-deaf and ill-informed stance that makes developers -- the actual people who need to understand specifications and formats, and implement them in code -- roll their eyes in resigned annoyance. "Oh, it's so easy; just display them right-side up". But easy to say is not necessarily easy to do. Misdirection. Whether it is easy to do is irrelevant to the question of whether displaying photo notes incorrectly is an interface flaw. It is a flaw, and moreover it is in fact easy to fix. All mobiles use the orientation flag the same way. No other popular app I'm aware of has this problem. Every gallery app, every other photo note app, every photo editing app, contacts apps. Handwaving about the "ins and outs" of simple EXIF flag doesn't change that fact. "But anyways, if you feel a need to school me, Evernote, and the rest of the forum on the ins and outs of EXIF spec, feel free -- that sort of information is useful and far more persuasive than any of the snide commentary so far. " OK, it's very simple. On any mobile, when taking a photo note, read the EXIF orientation flag and rotate the image display accordingly. It is as far as I'm aware the same EXIF flag on every mobile device. Image rotation by 90% is mathematically trivial and handled by just about every image displaying app on mobiles except Evernote. You simply transpose columns of pixels to rows. If I'm mistaken and there is some propriatary variation, then just find out what flags are used by the top five handset makers and implement them for a solid start. Fortunately, as Evernote users know, Evernote is not just a note-taking app, and Keep is not even in the same league as Evernote, at present. Sure, it's pretty, and quick. And it can do photo notes on a mobile, which Evernote can't yet. But how does it scale to 10's of thousands of notes? Probably similar to how GMail scales to 10000 odd emails that I can search effectively in fractions of a second. If Google adds tags, together with the other features on Drive I think it will be at least as powerful as EN. And it can show photos the right way up. How do you organize them? How do you share and collaborate with others? Compared to GMail, which has real usefulness and a fair number of options for customization, Keep is surprisingly simple-minded. I like GMail and Google Search and Google Calendar too, I really do, but I frankly, I really expected more from Keep. It's easy and free, sure, but for folks interested in doing more than note-taking, where's the next level? I'm just not seeing it,not yet. Keep already has integration with Drive, which is not simple and has mobile app support. Sharing is already implemented and collaboration on more serious files is handled exceptionally well on Drive. Also, it is the first release. And its free. And it is more secure, with optional 2 factor authentication and no history of recent large scale security breaches. I am interested in photo note taking from mobile. It is simply the most effective way for me and many others to store and organize the information on many bits of paper, screen displays, notices and physical layouts I deal with in and outside of work every day. An app that purports to be the premium note taking platform (whether it offers other features or not) not only can't do this properly at the most basic level of note display, but apparently has a number of defenders that can't even acknowledge this inability to be a significant problem. I really don't think I'm unusual in my use-case or unreasonable in my assessment. And when I react with disbelief to the kind of responses that suggest that image orientation is just so incredibly complex, or that I have a niche complaint barely relevant to most users, it is not snide, it is really just honest jaw-dropping. This doesn't in the least stop me wishing anyone who uses EN effectively the very best. But it cannot be used effectively to take mobile photo notes at present.
  8. I don't care about it enough to dedicate enough brain cells to have an educated opinion either way. Ummm, it's not even close at this stage, from my look-in. Devote brain cells? Educated opinion? On whether to display photos: a.) the right way up b.) the wrong way up. This is exactly the sort of evasion and defensiveness that must look hilarious to all normal lurkers and I hope a few EN die-hards. Now, Google Keep is of course not close to EN in terms of complexity and feature set but I would guess it already does what 90% of the EN userbase needs from a note taking app and google search is pretty damn effective. Obviously more sophisticated editing and handling of other file types is catered for in Drive too.
  9. I don't trust any company or service to be here in 10 years and certainly not Evernote. I expect that the content, which is stored on Google Drive, will last a reasonable time given the strength of google and the importance of their investment in their cloud based services. There is of course a reasonably high likelihood of the Keep service being killed or transformed.
  10. You are sensitive, aren't you? It's plain English, nothing hidden. If I wanted to insult you, I would just do that. I don't for a moment suggest you are insulting me - you wouldn't do that. Though on rereading I see that I posted gibberish, so you can't be blamed for reading it that way. What I'm suggesting is that this reframing of what to me seems like an absolute no-brainer of a fault, a bug, into a matter of my personal taste is characteristic of the sort of response I got last time. It's not just "the way I want it to behave"! It is what 99.9% of the world would consider as correct! Show me one other mainstream app that does this. Admit it! It is a UI defect. What do you think of Google keep? Looks pretty nice, doesn't it?
  11. OK, first photonote test in Google Keep. They managed to display photos the right way up on first release. Most impressive! Also, don't you think it is rather a clean and beautiful UI? Hopefully they can add features as they usually do but they have made sure that the basic functionality of the notes is right, and syncing is already much better than EN.
  12. I would also note the interesting way in which you reframe the issue. [Do you rephrase about my desire to display mobile photo notes the right way up as a desire to make the app "behave the way you want" to imply that I have unreasonable or quirky demands?] <--- EDIT gibberish, sorry. Doesn't every user want their photos to show the right way up?
  13. Thanks Jefito, What's changed is that the earth has almost completed an orbit of the sun. I'm here to see if anything has changed in Evernote with regard to basic picture display. And if it hasn't, register my disappointment and perhaps draw the attention of a new group of users. Isn't that a reasonable use of a user feedback forum?
  14. Mods - sorry not the right sub-forum - please move/delete as you deem appropriate. On April the 21st last year I raised this subject and just checked again on the Evernote Android app - nope - Evernote still doesn't show its own photos the right way up, choosing to simply ignore the orientation tag despite purporting to be a mobile note taking app. Quite remarkably incompetent, don't you think? How many other features have EN actually worked on this year? We now have the offer of a separate app for taking pictures of our dinners! Do they display sideways as well or is this just a feature of the general app? Any updates on whether this has even been acknowledged as something worth thinking about? Any worthwhile workarounds? I was prodded into posting this today by the release of Google Keep, which I very much look forward to trying. I wonder if they have chosen to ignore whether a photo is displayed correctly or not? What do you guys think? I have been trying to use EN for the past year solely to look at some old (sideways thumbnailed) photo notes that I haven't moved, and to maintain a simple running text note ( EN lately can't even keep the text note consistently synchronised between desktop and mobile for some reason so I have recently given up on that.) Sorry that this post is somewhat negative, but then so is the situation on this particular topic.
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