GrumpyMonkey

Hi. Welcome to the forums! I didn't even know this thread existed. I have been wanting the same thing, but I haven't been able to express it very clearly, and here we are with a simple solution: a manual sort order. Yes. This is what I want. I do a lot of writing, amongst other things, and I would appreciate the ability to arrange and re-arrange notes freely. Once you have more than a handful of notes, the renaming process to change the sort (using sort by title) or re-dating process (using sort by created date) becomes quite laborious, and on some platforms (the iOS), the re-dating option isn't available. My current workaround is to create a note full of note links. Then, it is a relatively simple matter to cut/paste in order to change the order. This works well enough, but it isn't quite the same, because you are jumping from note to note instead of seeing them all lined up conveniently in the center pane. We cannot make note links on mobile platforms yet, so this is only an option if you are using desktops. It isn't a deal-breaker or anything, but the ability to manually determine the search order could potentially affect a lot of users. Complaints about the inability to pin notes to the top, GTD folks, writers, users preparing a kind of "slide show" of notes with photographs, and people sharing notebooks (multiple users with multiple naming conventions make things a bit messy).

It's still a solid app I trust, but not yet for critical things, because it lacks save and continue, and as you said, no way to undo or cancel. I primarily use an external keyboard with the phone, so cmd-z gets me undo, but i still think we need all of these in the app.

Who do we have to bombard with emails to get this done Phil? Don't worry, I'll do it in an enjoyablly Evernotey way, with shared notes full of rick-roll links

Hi. At least one member of the Evernote staff has voiced his support for "save and continue," and pur Android brethren have it, so things are looking up

This is exactly what happened to me. I had deleted something and didn't notice it for a few weeks. Why not give people the ability to avoid having to use the note histories at all when such a simple thing as a read-only flag would solve it once and for all? i could not agree more

hi. welcome to the forums! this request occasionally comes up in the forums. so far, evernote doesn't seem like it is likely to implement it. however, i sure would like to see it. even with trash that doesn't have to be deleted and note histories, it is still a worry, because you might accidentally delete something and not realize it for days or weeks, especially in an account with thousands of notes.

hi. welcome to the forums! i am afraid the answer is no. i have been lobbying for a plain text option for about a year now. i still hold out hope for it! in the meantime, run it through a text edior, or use formatmatch (app). i use formatmatch on a daily basis. i sure wish i had it on the ipad, because the situation there is even more textastrous. in celebration of geek pride day, maybe the developers will hear our pleas

Glad we could help

hi. welcome to the forums! as i understand it, all notes are backed up every few hours (8?) and there are note histories (assuming your note is more than 8 hours old). if you are a premium user, you can see the old versions. if you are not, you can upgrade ($5 per month / $45 per year) or contact support and see what they can do for you. it is entirely possible that they have a backup and can get it to you. if you have been doing time machine backups (i think you ought to be doing this at least daily -- storage is so inexpensive these days, and all you have to do is plug it in) then you can easily go back and find the note content on your own. just do a spotlight search (i prefer the app houdahspot) using the keywords you know are present in the note.

hi. welcome to the forums. i made this request for a narrower view a few times in the past as well. i tend to open a bunch of notes in their own windows and hide the left panel to get as much on the screen as i can. but, 13" gets used up pretty quickly. i really like the suggestion of tabs. several people have made it, but the idea hasn't gained traction yet.

yes, there is native support for viewing pdfs, and the viewer appears if we click on a pdf. as evernote already takes a bit long to display my notes, my own preference would be for evernote to work on further speeding up and streamlining the app. also, unless you have your pdfs in an offline notebook, evernote would have to download each one as well. that takes several seconds already. i'll be interested to hear what the develors have to say.

hi. well, i guess we have different impressions of the ipad. i could be wrong, of course. at any rate, it would be nice to have a choice.

hi mic. i don't know the answer to your question, but my guess would be that such a feature would slow the ipad down. it would be nice if we had that option (as we do on the desktop versions).

What do you mean? People say "I think there is something wrong with adding more levels" and you conclude that it's not a disagreement? Or that no one said that there is something wrong so no one is disagreeing? You used a paradoxical form of syntax, do you see it? We can interpret the meaning in both ways (the word "by" is ambiguous). I'll just comment the end : if 3 millions or even 3 billions of people are fine with a system, it does not mean for me that this system is valid or better than an other. No, that's why I said it was just a picture. Can we see a dev here? How can we submit an idea and see them admiting/rejecting it? Thanks jefito, for your patience even in my darkest moment. There is not enough light because, IMO, the approach of hierarchical tree VS tags implicate a real complex questioning about our way of thinking. It's about brain, it's about thought, it's about cognition, semantic, etc. My conviction is human are uncomfortable with thinking/calculating and always prefer the easiest way. Our time is proving it, by deploying much more technology based on an irrational structure than a rational one. Everybody adulate Search Engines, Tags, etc, and people have a serious problem with the "traditionnal method" of building theories, models, hierarchical, pathes. But for me, the only method wich belongs to human is unfortunatly the rational one : we can't cheat, we can't run away from it, it always came back. That's why I ask you to bring here some screenshots of your tag lists, and why I pointed the fact that => imo this list as to be, soon or later, displayed in an ergonomic way ! You can't avoid it ! You can't watch your tag list like you watch a thousand words written on little pieces of paper, chaotically scattered on your desktop, and select them (for a search function or to attribute them to a note) in a mysterious way you don't want to know neither modelize => The modelizing, the gathering, is called a rational model : concepts are gathered BECAUSE of the meaning, of the PATH you CREATE. So I'm not ok with what is explained here : http://discussion.ev...nested-folders/ You don't have to physically dupplicate the notes, as BurgersNFries said ; no, you can virtually dupplicate it ! Just keep in mind : 2 Systems : rational VS irrational, tree VS tags Paradoxical where the 2 systems are complementary. It has been realized before : it's called Hard links. Moreover we're talking about a little improvment of a yet existing feature. Now, here is how I see it : We can merge the tree and the tag : categories of the tree ARE the tags ! When you create a cat/tag in a branch, if it already exists in an other branch => it is connected. Ticking a checkbox near a cat/tag, or typing his name on the search function will display only these sub-folders, in their respective branches. When you add a note in such a cat/tag/sub-folder, if there is many occurences of the tag, it ask you if you want to connect the note with the other tags (you can select eah one). Extra : We could have several sets of tree, to display the tree in different orders of sorting, depending on different path we create in our mind. I know what you're thinking : "he does not understand that tags actually avoid this kind of autistic conception and laborious work". Well, what you perhaps don't understand is the interest of doing it I guess. Hard link model is something much more intelligent and complete. Seriously, can you give me a screenshot of your tag list ! i don't see the paradox in what i said. i guess i just don't get it. sorry. about all i can add is to say that sure, it would be nice to have more sub-levels (for people who organize using notebooks). but, we don't have them. and, i am not even sure you need them. i appreciate your requesting it, and i see that it is very important to you, but it isn't a feature that i am terribly enthusiastic about myself.

It sounds like experience has taught you different lessons than it has taught me. It is certainly your prerogative to persist in the belief that 1) developers don't listen or just pretend to if they don't agree with you, 2) showing respect to others is less effective than ridiculing them, and 3) I am mad/angry about your posts. I think I will have to disagree with you about all three! I am not sure you will find much debate here about your points. I don't think anyone is disagreeing with your main point by saying that there is something wrong with adding more sub-levels to the notebooks. Rather, I think I hear them saying they are fine with the current system.

Hi Romarain. I appreciate that you are passionate about your position, but I wonder if people (including the developers) understand what you are saying, have put thought into the product they have devoted their careers to, and reached a different conclusion. In other words, rather than saying everyone who disagrees with you is wrong because they suffer from some kind of deficiency (humans, lazy, whatever), you may want to consider the possibility that they just don't agree with you. Regarding your point about how easy this is, in my experience, even small changes with a program can cause havoc. And, I only program on a single platform. Evernote has to match everything across eight major platforms, and they have millions of people depending on them to do it well. So, I think as users we certainly ought to suggest things (it is great that you are), but we also ought to show some respect to the developers for the hard work they have done, and refrain from ridiculing them. There are people at the other end of your post. Besides, they might be a little more amenable to your suggestions if you rhetorically hug them instead of kick them

i get it that you want hierarchical organization, and you don't see why evernote doesn't have more options available, but i think you know that the people who developed an app adopted by millions of people around the world probably have a fair bit of intelligence. they are, after all, the only corporation i know about that has a robot with lasers in charge. true story. i think they have chosen a different model of organization than you are suggesting. that's all. people have suggested hierarchies since i started using evernote years ago, so they are aware of the concept. you can google around to find out more about why they do what they do. maybe it will change in the future, but at least for now, evernote is what it is. it's always good to get suggestions for features (i think), but take a look at the links i posted and see if those don't appeal to you.

hi. welcome to the forums! thanks for posting on this topic. personally, i use no hierarchies (no notebooks or tags), so it isn't a concern for me, but i know it is of great interest to many users. i don't know if evernote plans to add more hierarchical possibilities to notebooks. in the current system, there are some workarounds (i actually prefer some of these to traditional folder hierarchies).

I'll pony up and offer some too. I'll send you a link to my shared notebook: cellulite. I've got about ten pounds to lose. I have gained about 8 since last year, and apparently, sitting on my butt all day is not a good way to lose the weight

i have about the same commute. the weather has been pretty poor this week. i will probably start up again next week. i have a new office now, which gives me a place to change and store clothes. i am looking forward to it! 80 rides? No. But, maybe 60 or 70. I think I will go for 12 a month. Even with a stretch of bad weather, that seems doable. i'll start next week

dlu said that somewhere in the forums. I guess great minds think alike! My mind may not be as great, but I know what I want

Heh. Options are for developers who are afraid of making choices... Balderdash! (yes, I know who you are quoting) Developers have to make choices one way or another when they design the default UI. That reflects their decisions, and if they did a good job (Evernote usually does), then most users will never have to mess around with any settings. Giving users the ability to customize their experience is a choice as well, and it is pretty rare that I hear someone complaining about being able to do what they want to do Taking away the user's ability to customize their experience, or deciding not to offer a feature is a choice as well, and I think a lot of customers complain when they cannot do what they want to do! It is especially painful when a feature Evernote developed to perfection is removed or radically altered, when a toggle would have satisfied everyone

I like BNF's idea. Even though I am not terribly concerned about deleting stuff, since I never empty my trash, I do accidentally modify the wrong note on occassion. Early drafts of things get re-worked, and then I realize that I had a newer draft already, and I am wasting my time. Not only that, but I have ruined the early draft by messing around with it (deleting things here and there, moving stuff around, etc.). The scary thing is that I sometimes reproduce the same stuff! But, not always It would just be nice to know that old stuff is locked. Unlocking is no big deal compared to the hassle of recovering stuff. And, you know I am going to say it: you could give us the option to toggle this auto-lock on/off

right-click on note -> export

Good point. I can see how a long note would present a problem!