Matt Whitby

25 minutes ago, DTLow said:

1. Do not post messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise in violation of any laws. In addition, trolling, threats, personal insults, and name calling are not allowed.

Yup. None of that happened.

3 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

Anything constructive to say ?

Else I would like you to study this a bit: https://discussion.evernote.com/guidelines/

Yup. All good. No contraventions noted.

10 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

There are no "important features" missing from legacy. Legacy is still running, so all features are available. On the other hand many new features were added with v10 that did not exist before. That there is more to come is a nice change from the legacy years, where we all could be grateful if things were still working after major OS releases. New features were something we did not even think about.

The only feature that is really missing from the setup pre v10 is the Apple Watch app.

It is quite obvious which game is played here: Venting bad air, not naming a single MIA feature, but talking darkly about "important" stuff missing. 

Hope the expectations are met.

Ah, there he is. The great defender.

I didn't bother renewing once my subscription ended and I wondered if I'd miss it. After months of the watching the post-installation message of "coming soon" never changing, and important features still missing I have to say that I don't regret staying away. For me OneNote is fine. I still hope that EverNote improves one day, but handful of people on this forum who do nothing more than sing the praises in response to any criticism, however mild, became really grating. I'm sure the well-known one will respond to this too.

On 3/12/2022 at 3:24 PM, agsteele said:

I'm guessing that you are using a Mac rather than Windows based computer. I had no recollection of, and just checked and could not find, any option to mark text as a Quotation in Evernote 6.25 on Windows. A reverse issue was the availability of Import Folders which were a Windows feature not available on MacOS.

Given that the stated aim is to make the user experience uniform, if I am correct about Quotation marking being a MacOS feature from the past, then that will likely account for why it went missing. If I am wrong then can you say how you achieve a Quotation block in the Windows legacy?

I've just noted elsewhere that I mark quotes with a Quote Emoji. I also indent the paragraph. Like this...

💬 Quote goes here...

I use Windows.

It was in the legacy app somewhere. I kept waiting for them to put back in the current version, but they never did.

13 hours ago, DTLow said:

What "note taking" problems are you having?   
imho Evernote's note editor is a solid feature that works well

   
I'm actually more concerned with note storage and organization

One feature that I used literally every day was marking an entry as a quotation, since I used it mostly for making notes on books I'm reading. The closest to a reply I ever got was 'use code blocks".

13 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

You don’t tell which features you are missing, so hard to imagine about what you are talking. Fact is EN still is a strong note taking app. Additional features are nobody’s harm, but a welcome add on and chances for extended use cases for many users. If this makes us more productive, all the better. Who would be opposed to get more things done ?

The rest is „I am unhappy“, and that‘s it. Wish you more luck with your next pick.

 

Thanks. I didn't feel to repeat myself on features we used to have ad-nauseum.

My yearly subscription ended today, so I'm out. The company is no longer focussed on writing notetaking software, but they're now going down the road of a productivity tool.  This would be fine when they're put back in the missing features we used to have first. I'm not using OneNote and that'll be fine until they get back on track.

19 hours ago, Boot17 said:

I also think that Evernote would have gone the way of the mastodon if it hadn't pivoted with v10 like it did. Too many new and shiny note taking systems that were quickly outpacing what Evernote could do based on their old infrastructure. Things just keep getting better and better for me with Evernote (and I already think it's better than before v10), but I understand that for many the changes (and lingering problems for some) are too much. Perhaps there is a better tool out there for you.

One thing I wanted to comment on with regards to the original post (that I think I've mentioned before), is Evernote's storage model. I just think it's quite interesting. As a Personal user, I can upload 10 GB per month. If I did this every month for three years, that would be 360 GB of data. If at the end of three years I move my account to the Free plan I still have access to those 360 GB of data indefinitely (under the current strategy anyway). I don't pay anything, yet Evernote is still paying monthly to their cloud provider to continue to store my 360 GB of data indefinitely. And in addition to storage, Evernote is probably paying their cloud provider for me downloading data as well. Now, I know that use case is definitely not typical and Evernote would definitely have to change their structure if that started getting overly abused. But it is possible -- at least as I understand it.

Edit -- also I should add that I actually don't even upload 1 GB of data per month... I'm not taking advantage of what I have! I should definitely be doing more with Evernote than what I'm doing.

Yup. I'm trialling Joplin to see what that's like.

21 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

Technically a disaster: How would you call a car that a company manages to build and even sell, but no mechanics are able to keep it running ? Maybe it even has a nice design, but you can't keep it operating for long.

That is legacy - all native code, no code sharing, reinventing the wheel all over. Windows 6.25 was even still 32bit code - the main client for desktops running on XP technology in 2020. Probably Mac was only lifted to 64bit code because Apple stopped all 32bit software on their newer Macs. As I said, too little too late.

This was fixed with v10.

I've written software for thirty years. I do understand your point, but as and user for this product I'd take a 32-bit codebase with the features I used to have, over a 64-bit architecture that doesn't. I guess using your analogy I want a car with all four wheels, and not be told that the new one is super fuel efficient.,

2 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

There are no good old days. The good old days Management nearly brought EN to its knees, by selling socks and believing in good old days while the market changed, new competitors picked up and the own company was in a downward spiral. Good old days - maybe one release per year, just to keep the clients alive. Always too little too late. This should not be glorified !

No, you will not loose old notes, if this is what is important for you.

The "good old days" as in the features I miss from the old software after the re-write finally returning. The technical good days (I'm not interested in the management - outside of the company's survival.)

12 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

You can access all notes, but you will not be able to save changes to any note larger than the Free limit. So you can save notes of up to 25MB, but notes between 25MB and your current limit (for most plans 200MB) will be read only.

Plus be aware that the monthly (!) Free Upload limit is only 60MB. A note always saves as a whole, which means if you change a large note close to 25MB, a seemingly small change will consume a large chunk of your monthly limit. Once you have used it all, the whole account is practically read only, until the limit resets after 30 days.

Plus some other effects, like not being able to search in pdf files any longer.

If you always had been on free, it may not sound like a big deal. But if you used the subscribers legroom up to now, it will feel a little cramped from downgrading onwards.

That's fine. As long as I don't lose my old notes.

I can always re-subscribe when Evernote gets back to the good old days.

When I cancel what happens to pages larger than the free limit? Is everything I wrote/stored retained after my account goes back to the free version?

I'm pretty sure EN ignores all the forums.

22 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

You don’t like tasks, so don’t use it. It still is as simple as that.

When the feature was launched, a lot of users joined discussions in the forum. Most with positive reactions, combined with ideas about how to improve the new feature further. All these users probably find a use for tasks, and are happy to have it all in one place.

Disclaimer: I tested it, but decided to stick with my Things 3 task manager. But I am positive EN is moving in the right direction by adding this feature. Making notes and content actionable opens new use cases.

We shall disagree. That's fine.  I find these non-note features distract from replacing the features lost after the core update, you like some of the new stuff. All good.

21 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

Oh, you are not really into it, are you ?

Exel has an own database ability (already had it when I used the 1.x version of it, a long time ago), plus it has a shitload of database query abilities, to link it directly to databases, updating the spreadsheets live from the DB.

Next try ?

Bad example on my part as 99% of all software is a database. My point stands though.

52 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

Easy solution: Don’t use it.

Did you know that MS Excel has appr. 400 functions ? How many are you actually using ? Maybe 20, 30, few use more. So go complain at MS that this is bloated ? Or better understand what may not be useful for you may be useful for others … or for yourself 5 years from now, with new or changed use cases !

Excel is a spreadsheet. If they started adding database functionality in it I'd question that.

18 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

Tasks make a ton of sense in combination with the new Home dashboard. You open EN and have everything on your Home view.

The new subscription levels are tuned to its use as well: Personal for using it yourself, Professional for coordinating a group of people working together, for example on a project. 

There is quite obviously a strategy behind it, not developers roaming freely on coding what they think could be fun.

If you want it to become some bloated task manager but I just want neat, searchable notes.

I'm disappointed that what is a note-taking app is trying to make itself a task-management app when there are still useful features missing that we used to have. I worry that the developers are doing things that are fun, rather than things that are needed.

Seems like indifference to me.

There are two bugs.

1. Line breaks are often ignored in the export.

2. Photos get cropped.

Yes, I am getting the feel of indifference from the developers.

There doesn't seem to be a great deal of utility in post this as I see there are still posts from May to which Evernote haven't replied, but none-the-less.

Radio buttons would be very useful. A grouped selection of items from one which one can be chosen. So, if there are various options for someone I can note which they took. Yes, there are checkboxes but they are for tasks as selection causes a strikethrough of the text.

15 hours ago, gazumped said:

Not to interrupt this enthralling exchange but given this request has 22 votes against others with 600 or more votes which are still not realised,  it is unlikely to happen anytime soon.  That said,  if developers have other reasons to play with the web page code,  they may fold this tweak in at the same time.  Evernote don't share their road map so we won't know whether or when it's going to happen until it does.  Entirely their decision.

Yes, their lack of a public roadmap is certainly a problem but it's probably best to keep threads to a single issue.

3 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

Building released software for a multi-platform app with a 9 digit user base is a little bit more challenging than setting ones website to whatever width.

EN is a note taking app - when I just look at the issues mentioned here in the forum in the last couple of weeks, page width would not even be on my backlog. And I think they have their own development agenda as well.

You're mistakenly conflating different things. Are you a developer?