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  1. Well, the timing of my message a few pages ago was interesting, given that the FINAL NOTICE of Legacy's surmise followed shortly thereafter. For anyone who used Legacy for CATEGORIZING, INDEXING, and TAGGING topics, I have a TIP. With Legacy, you can easily select all TITLES in a list, which includes the other LIST column fields in your view setting, and copy them to Excel. So that is what I did today in preparation for shutting down my use of Evernote, copying over 1800+ topics to an Excel file, which I store on Dropbox. That Excel file will now serve as my INDEX for content that I develop elsewhere. Legacy was SUPERB at doing LIST based work, putting things in the correct folders, tagging them in detail with 3-4 tags each, sorting the LIST by TAG to confirm that the categorization was making sense, etc. You would be able to see sections of your master list of topics very easily and make sense of your topic picture. The note-taking or content-capturing part was secondary for me - just grabbing raw material, sometimes. This LIST MANAGEMENT functionality never worked with the same level of PRODUCTIVITY or SPEED in v10, and it still does not. So, with Legacy's now-announced demise, it appears that the only option for me is to SPLIT these FUNCTIONS, with Excel doing the list management part and other applications handling the content creation, storage, publication, and backup part. So topics will go in Excel, with 4 fields for TAGs and 1 field that CONCATENATES these into ONE FIELD. Then I can use the Filter function on the CONCATENATED tags field and still see ALL topics with a certain tag, regardless of the column I have entered them into. (I use 4 tag levels from wide-angle to narrow focus). Control F is almost as fast as typing in Search terms in the Search bar in EN Legacy. With Dropbox, I have the file available on multiple machines, and I can easily back it up elsewhere, daily, of course. For content creation, refinement, and storage, I'll use a combination of Grammarly, Obsidian, and a custom-developed (private) WordPress site with all kinds of filtering features and Frontend creation and editing of Posts. Using Excel as the MASTER INDEX will also make it unnecessary to duplicate the categorization and tagging in multiple places. In Obsidian, for example, I'll have the topics and their content, but not all the tagging along with it again. And BTW, Obsidian with a vault on Dropbox gives you a user experience that resembles the speed from Evernote Legacy. By moving away from Evernote as my "content entry point and index management system", I am also improving my "data sovereignty" or ownership, as most of these tools and file locations are much more under MY CONTROL than they ever were in the Evernote world. I was, unfortunately, a little too impulsive a few days ago to spend another 129 USD on one more year of EN Personal after sitting on pause with a Free account for a while, and assume that is a sunk cost - so lesson learned there... Had I known that they were literally pulling the plug on Legacy a day later, I would have NEVER recommitted to this service. BTW, it seems like IF YOU SELL services that you can buy on an ANNUAL basis, the TERMINATION date for LEGACY should be a YEAR OUT, so Feb/Mar 2025, not ONE MONTH from now. Perhaps my tip here for copying index info out of Legacy and to Ecel as described here for others looking to ESCAPE from being "Stuck with Evernote".
  2. I think the move "away" from the Legacy version ranks among the dumbest moves a note software company has ever made. If the goal was to move the majority of users to a single code base with v10, then OK - I get that. There is a nice consistency with v10 across the new desktop app, the web app, and the mobile apps. But it all PALES IN COMPARISON to the productivity that you have when working with Notes in the "legacy" version. They should have, and in my opinion, still SHOULD offer a new plan with an updated and fully supported Legacy version as the Desktop Pro version, or whatever marketing would suggest it should be called. They can include that with the Professional plan for all I care, and MANY people would quickly embrace that approach and PAY MORE to maintain access to this SUPERLATIVE note-taking and information management toolkit. I still have not found ANY OTHER app 3 years later that works as well or as fast with notes, note LISTS, and Tags showing IN THE NOTES LIST as the Legacy version. I'm not sure who Pink Elephant is, but he or she is speaking as if he has all the inside information on the strategic direction of the Evernote management team. Including fear-mongering about WHEN the Legacy syncing will be turned off. Evernote the COMPANY could EASILY regain a strong market lead IMO by INTEGRATING the Legacy app in their service offering at a cost, and make A LOT OF PEOPLE very happy by regaining TRUST in the Evernote platform. That is what was lost when they yanked the rug out from underneath, IMO. There is still a way back to "not just being another note taking app" by recognizing the special qualities and features that the "Legacy" app provided to its users. You would think that a new management team would understand that serving customers and enhancing TRUST to all the users who put THEIR OWN information into this "information management platform" would pay attention to this REAL BATTLE and CATASTROPHIC management mishap that occurred. In my situation, I just PAID one more year for the Personal Plan to manage about 2000 topics with a lot of tagging activity. I use the Legacy app on two machines for the heavy lifting, and the web app to capture some raw data on other machines. If the Legacy rug is AGAIN pulled out by killing syncing, I will NEVER pay these people another CENT. You have been warned that customers like myself AT SOME POINT give up. You broke the TRUST already once before. If this happens one more time, you will have become a USELESS provider of "just another note-taking app", instead of the SPECIAL provider of INFORMATION Management with notes that you once were and STILL COULD BE if only you would listen to your 90th percentile customers who can drive your "uniqueness" in the market place. I used to recommend Evernote to anyone who would listen and had a need for a note taking app. I currently recommend ONLY Obsidian to people. I wish I could recommend Evernote again with the Evernote Desktop Pro (Legacy app) as the Cadillac version for the most discerning "note management" users. There, I had to get that AGAIN of my chest, as it still bothers me how STUPID it was to KILL a TOP SHELF application that to this day has NO ALTERNATIVE or peer. Unreal what they did here in this company. Listen to your users and NEVER pull the rug out and burn the TRUST you established. PS Legacy features that matter to me include: - speed, everything is FAST - Search that works - the v10 Search is NOT finding notes I just renamed a few minutes ago, or a day later, no matter how hard I try. I DO NOT care about AI search, I would like a normal Search that works, works right away, and has an EASY option to ONLY SEARCH titles with a simple click, not syntax. Do developers not use large sets of notes, looking for a note?? - Sort by Tags - have a tagging system where I use a . prefix, / prefix and number prefix to create a topic organization that works for me. Being able to select a Tag, look at a list of 20-50 topics in that set, and then ORGANIZE those topics with my "meta tags" is super useful. Using these prefixes put THESE tags at the front of the note's tags list! The Sort by Tags option has not been implemented in v10, but it worked and works FLAWLESSLY in the Legacy version. And that's IT. These are just basic productivity features for when you want to organize a large set of topics in the 1500+ items range. I thought that is what Evernote was supposed to be designed for - high productivity with large sets of NOTES. And TITLES of notes and searching within titles only are just as important as the text in the NOTES, by the way.
  3. If Evernote wants to get back on track, this is another issue they need to address with COURAGE. The whole approach should be to enable EASY exporting of ALL data in ways that can be utilized in other apps. If the approach feels like "you want to hold me hostage with my data being stuck", then I'm not really interested in putting it there in the first place. I'm saying this as someone with TWO Evernote premium accounts, one for personal project use and one for work.
  4. I'm a Windows user and just replied to the Sort by Tags thread, which is also all about the removal of key features. I would HIGHLY favor the resurrection of the Legacy desktop based software as a Pro option. It makes total sense to me that not everyone expects the same capabilities or needs them. New features could easily be baked into and tried out on the PRO platform and then added to the Standard version. Now, the world is upside down where all focus is on the "common denominator" and we are left hanging saying "what happened here"? The strategy Evernote is pursuing is understandable for "the largest general audience", but they alienated their most ardent FANS in the process. Wish they would have the Emotional Intelligence to just recognize they messed this up and that they can get this back on track. They need to do something about the Legacy picture anyway, so resurrecting it as the "Cadillac" option for their service makes more sense to me then just leaving it hanging with no clear plan. FYI
  5. I'd like to chime in here also and share that sorting by Tag is a KEY feature for me also in organizing topics across multiple categories and by extension priorities. I use: ".1-xyz", ".2-abc" - through ".6-klm" to designate levels of complexity in terms of what needs to be worked on first (using the "dot" to put them as the root of the Tag list ".a-Pub", ".b-Draft", ".c-Open" to track writing status for items, and these come right after the "dot number" items automagically. "normal" tag words to designate major categories that items belong to for the rest, which are automatically sorted alphabetically in the Legacy version. As a result, I can click on a Tag in the Tag Pane, and immediately see a list that I can SORT by tags where the priorities and publication statuses are clear right away. All this works FAST and intuitively and makes you feel that you have MORE power for organizing topics than EVER before..... (pun intended). I was in complete shock when the "switch" happened last year and am STILL very unsure if I can continue relying on Evernote as a PLATFORM. I certainly see that the data stream between the legacy version and the new versions all works fine. However, IMO the best solution to all these issues AND restore confidence in your clientele is to resurrect the Legacy line and build on that platform as a second "Pro User" offering. Then ALL these issues go away, and apparently NOTHING is required on the data(base) side - that already works well as is. To me, what is being done (and I don't pay much attention) to the editor and "features" stands in NO COMPARISON to the issue of "fundamental data organization" and SPEED. I think the web version is a NICE option to capture some stuff quickly without needing to have software installed, as on a work computer for example. But the REAL work gets done in the way that the Legacy version enabled it, meaning the "information organization" activities, where Evernote is a CRITICAL index of knowledge to things we are involved with or are working on creating, etc. So yes, sorting by TAGs, even if that requires some simple trick with dots and slashes to make it the most useful is ABSOLUTELY an essential function for this type of usage. Ironically, Evernote is also the ONLY solution in my opinion where this can (again) work REAL WELL. Alternatives I keep looking don't really get me all the way there, with Joplin being the closest one. It would be so "easy" for Evernote to get us ALL back on track and put this detour behind us with a Pro User desktop version, for which I'm sure people will GLADLY pay a little more. I know I would. That said, my renewal is later this year, so I have 5 or so more months to figure this out, and believe me, I am looking at options every week and downloading various things to try and considering ways to change my processes. You could save us all a LOT OF ANXIETY if we simply can get on with a re-birth of the Legacy functions that gives use the capabilities and speed in a desktop package that GOT YOU HERE in the FIRST place. Evernote is NOT a note taking app - it is a "flexible information management platform" for all sorts of diverse uses. Keep it that way, please. Note also that I have 2 accounts. If none of this gets back on track to where the trust factor and capabilities are restored, I expect that ClickUp will replace one of them, as I am already migrating there and it works well for my work stuff, while the other personal one that I use for other projects will migrate to Joplin, which I am using successfully now since late last year. I just would FAR PREFER not to have to go through this hassle and just send you my money and rely on your services. My 2c.
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