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  1. Here is what I do... I have about 125 high school chemistry students using EN (free) for their portfolios. Students collect artifacts (photos of lab set-ups, videos of presentations, lab reports, etc.) using EN. They do not share their notebooks with me. When I want to check their progress I simply ask them to log in and show me what they have in their notebook. Near the end of the term they create another notebook, copy selected artifacts to it, write reflections, make the notebook PUBLIC, and share the link with me. These public notebooks become their presentation portfolios. I do not try to use EN for document management. Submitting assignments, commenting, grading, and revising is best done with GoogleDocs, I believe. I have students get their documents into GoogleDocs and share the file with "anyone with the link" and allow anyone to "comment". I set up a simple "assignment submission form" in GDocs where students can simply enter their name, class section, and paste the link to their document. I can then comment on it, grade it, see the revision history, etc. It works great. I get all 125 student's assignments on one spreadsheet page with links to their documents. I do not have to deal with hundreds of emails with attachments! Using both GDocs and EN caused some initial confusion for students. However, as a chemistry teacher I need Google's spreadsheets, graphs, and advanced collaboration. Evernote, as we know, excels at archiving. Two tools—the best of both worlds. Tim Watters
  2. Thanks GrumpyMonkey. My plan was similar to yours... one notebook with a table of contents pinned to the top. I wonder what happens, however, if I share the notebook to "anyone with the link" and a non EN account holder tries to view it. Is the notebook rendered as one big honkin html file with every note or is one small web page shown with links to individual notes?
  3. In terms of user experience (speed, ease of use, and EN's limits) is it better to share one notebook with many units of instruction perhaps tagged or organized in a table of contents note with links OR a separate shared notebook for each unit of instruction? One of the reasons I ask is because we'll be using CK12.org's Flexbooks to supplement our text. The pdf for the whole book is huge so I split it into quarters but each still comes in around 25MB. I can further split it into chapters to bring the size down even more. I would like to make the pdf available on the shared notebook along with other resources. So, would it be better to have one big shared notebook with all these pdf chapters as individual notes or separate shared notebooks for each chapter? I guess my questions relates to how Evernote presents shared notebooks to viewers. When a viewer receives an invitation to "View this notebook" and clicks through to view it are all the notes embedded in the file or just the headers to each note with links to them? Does the size of a notebook drastically affect the speed and ease of viewing? Thanks. Tim Watters High School Science Teacher
  4. I may be late to the discussion but here is my experience with this topic... I'm a high school science teacher and use Evernote as much as I can. With the teacher having a premium account here is what can be done: 1. Set up a shared notebook as view only to store class documents and give students/parents the link to the notebook. Our school district is very restrictive about giving public access to post ​so this must be view-able only by students and parents. This is like having a webpage. When I did this last year I discovered some problems, however. You need to maintain a "Table of Contents" or "Index" note pinned to the top of the list with links to your notes or documents. Expecting students and parents to search for documents was unrealistic. 2. Then you need to get each student to set up a free Evernote account. 3. Then you need to set up a shared notebook for EACH of your students with read/write permission. I had 125 students last year and this was not a trivial task. Notes/files put into this shared notebook are view-able and editable by you and that one student This is where you share private documents. (You must check with your district's policies regarding sharing private sites with students! It may be necessary/prudent to include an administrator and parent on the shared with list and ask them to monitor the postings.) A few problems: 1. Evernote does not notify you when a notebook is updated. You have to go through each (all 125) notebook and look for new notes/documents. Not practical! You can save a search that looks for changes within the last day or so but it's still possible to miss an assignment submitted by a student. 2. An alternative was to have students email to a notebook set up for collecting assignments. I would email back the graded assignment but there was no advantage to simply emailing me assignments to my regular school email. I abandoned the system because it felt like I was trying to squeeze a square peg through a round hole. I still encourage students to use Evernote and still post class documents in a shared (view only) folder, I mean notebook. However I use GoogleDocs as my primary collaboration tool. I use Google Forms where students can post links to their documents. I get everthing on one spreadsheet and commenting/annotating on their docs is simple. Evernote is a great tool and I see they're promoting it for schools. However, I found too many obstacles. It works, just not smoothly. Tim Watters
  5. After trying Evernote, webpage, dropbox, and GoogleDocs for posting class resources I have basically settled onto GoogleDocs and ruled out Evernote. 1. Evernote web did not work with our school's Internet Explorer. Slow and frequent crashes. Evernote support was no help ("Try a different browser.") 2. When students visit the url of my shared notebook they are presented with lots of Evernote promotion ("Join this Notebook" etc.) rather than a simple list of notes. The whole notebook/note terminology rather than folder/file or document is unique to Evernote and confusing to anyone not experienced with Evernote. Students and parents got bogged down in an unfamiliar interface. 3. When printing a note such as a class assignment it seems impossible to not print the note's heading too. Adds clutter and takes up valuable page space. I use Evernote for personal stuff and tried really hard to incorporate it into my classes, but it seems that there are easier and better ways available. Tim Watters High School Science Teacher
  6. I was in the same position as you. I was promoting EN to teachers and had notebooks set up for student portfolios. However, our school district is locked into using Internet Explorer 8. Evernote web access with IE is simply unusable. Tech support could only suggest we use a different browser. I've abandoned trying to use EN with my classes.
  7. I don't want to start a war here, just offering my opinion... True. But this doesn't mean EN should have an image editor built in. Easy enough to use a dedicated program for that and simply drag the finished product into it. I occasionally must use an equation editor and certainly appreciate the built in editors of Word or LibreOffice. However, I don't expect EN's editor to match their capability. Evernote's real strength isn't its editor, it's how easy it is get stuff into it, add notations (or not), organize them (or not), share them (or not), and find them later. I'm not denying the usefulness of styles, and they would be useful for some people. I just fear the creep towards bloatware.
  8. I think trying to add styles to notes is a quagmire. Styles rarely carry over from one application to another. Styles for web publishing might be different from styles for printing, posting to GoogleDocs is different than sending as a Word attachment, etc. A much better direction, IMHO, is to simply use plain text. It's much easier to simply paste the text into a good word processor or html editor and apply styles there depending on the end use. That said, plain text with a simple markup language such as Markdown might be the way to go.
  9. As a chemistry teacher I feel your pain. I suppose we can't expect the EN editor to meet the needs of every specialist. Instead of pasting an image of the equation into EN it would be much easier, imho, to simply use an equation editor and embed the file into a note. I tried it with GoogleDocs. I thought I might be able to select some text of a doc and clip it to EN but the note just came up blank. So I pasted the doc's URL (GoogleDocs' "share with anyone with the URL") into a note and it worked well. Clicking the link from within the note opens the GoogleDoc. I suppose we're stuck using a more powerful editor and using EN as a file manager (with annotations added to the notes). Not a bad option.
  10. I'm a high school chemistry teacher thinking about next year's student portfolios and whether EN would fill the need. I have 125 students. Their portfolios will consist of two parts: 1. A collection of artifacts with comments and tags. 2. A presentation of selected artifacts publicly viewable. As a premium user myself I appreciate EN's collection strengths but have some questions about managing this. I'm thinking of setting up a premium account for myself and free accounts for each student. I'll then set up a shared notebook for each student. Is there a better way of setting this up? Also, I'm aware of the limitations of linking to notes and cannot think of an easy way to have students select notes for presentation. Any suggestions? An alternative to EN for this is GoogleApps. There is plenty of documentation how to set this up with Google Sites, Google Blogger, and Google Docs, but none for EN. If anybody out there is using EN for student portfolios (both working or storage portfolios and presentation portfolios) I'd appreciate some advice. Thanks in advance. Edited 6/15/2011 I read an announcement today about linked notes now possible. This seals the deal. Having students set up a public notebook with links to selected notes will make it easier to publish their ?presentation portfolio". Awesome. I'm anticipating one problem about linked notes that I'll start a new thread about (Linking to notes in a shared notebook). Tim Watters
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