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  1. bobc

    Beta testing

    In the bottom right of the note window on the browser it says either "Saving" or "All notes saved".
  2. bobc

    Beta testing

    In the Web version, when I click on my name, I just see an option to "switch to the previous version of Evernote". Does this mean I'm in the beta? In Windows version, I have no link. The email invitation did not supply a link.
  3. bobc

    Beta testing

    Yes, same here... The email has a button labeled "Start" but it just takes you to the Web version, and I don't know if I'm looking at a beta or production. And if I open Evernote Windows, and go to Help / About, it says "6.17.6.8292 (308292) Public (CE Build ce-62.1.7539)" -- How do I get to the pre-release???
  4. bobc

    Beta testing

    I got an email from Evernote Team asking me to test the new note editor as part of the Evernote beta program. But I'm not clear what platform (or platforms) I should be testing on. And how can I tell if I am running the production or the beta version of Evernote?
  5. Here are the things about EverNote that I find problematic: 1. Tags and notebooks You click on a notebook in the side panel, and you have "opened" that notebook. If you do a search, the results are restricted to that notebook. Good. And if you search for "tag:MyTag", again the results are restricted to the notebook. But now say I want to do the same thing but utilizing the tag list on the left panel.The first problem is that all the tags are shown, even tags that only occur in other notebooks. Argh. Why is that? Well ok, so I click on MyTag, And all of a sudden, the results are no longer restricted to the notebook that I was using! In fact, at the top of the screen where it showed the name of the notebook that I was in, it suddenly says "All Notebooks". 2. Tag hierarchy in iOS I read a post by Ian Small that said consistency across platforms is a goal. I hope this means showing the tag hierarchy in iOS. Why is the tag hierarchy shown in Windows, but not iOS? I have seen comments from within Evernote that tags are unimportant, but I disagree. Search is one aspect of information management, but metadata about how notes are organized and how they relate to each other is information in itself, and that's where tags come in. I saw one comment where someone suggested that part of the reason why you shoudn't use tags is that the hierarchy isn't shown in iOS! 3. Windows UI The Windows UI is about the most visually unappealing of any modern application that I have seen.
  6. What really bothers me about Evernote (for Windows) is there's no concept of "opening a notebook". I can click on a notebook and then do searches, and the results are from within that note book. That's fine. But if I click on a tag, the notebook reference is gone, and the results are from across all note books. I can hold down the control key while I click a tag, and that works, but then I have to keep holding down the control key as I browse different tags.
  7. I wrote a new post regarding the idea of manually reordering tags and notes,and placed it in the Requested Features forum.
  8. I would like the ability to manually reorder sub tags within a parent tag. Also, the ability to manually reorder notes within a tag (that is, in a note list that is filtered by a tag). Here is why I think these are good ideas: In an information storage & retrieval system, there are two general themes, or approaches, to storing and retrieving data. Search based. The data itself can be unstructured, just a pile of notes, pages, documents, whatever. The users get the information they want by constructing search filters. Structured. The data is pre-organized by the user (or someone else) into sections, folders, etc, so that information is grouped and ordered in a meaningful way that adds to the usefulness of the information. In a paper world, think of pages of a book being grouped into chapters, and the pages ordered within each chapter. Which of these approaches is better? They are both good -- a good information retrieval system ideally would support both. Sometimes one approach meets the user's needs, sometimes the other. Note that the two approaches ar not mutually exclusive. The data can be structured, but still support flexible searches. People often say that Evernote is focused on the search-based approach. But really, with the hierarchical tag structure already in place, it also goes a long way toward the structure based approach, and extending it as I'm describing would be a great enhancement. It might be a lot for a casual user, but for a lot of more advanced users, it might be enough to push them to upgrade to premium. And I don't think it would be all that complex to implement, as I describe next... Here's how I think you could implement this in Evernote: For sub-tags under a parent tag: Somewhere in the Evernote database, there must be a table linking each sub-tag to its parent. You just need to add a property (column?) to this table with a Sequence Number. So that if a parent tag has 10 sub-tags, the sub-tags would be numbered 1 to 10. When the user drags and drops a tag to a new position within the parent tag, it's Sequence Number would be updated to that position, and all other sub-tags within the parent would be incremented. You already have the ability to drag and drop tags into different parent tags, so as for the UI, this would just leverage off of that. In fact, I see that when you drag a tag, there is already a horizontal insertion line as you move the tag -- it just doesn't do anything currently if you drop between tags (as opposed to onto a tag.) For notes filtered by a tag it could work in a similar way. But I would start with the tag-sub-tag structure, that would address a major part of the issue.
  9. @DTLow: Yes, please move the post if that would be more appropriate. Thanks. @jefito: I did name the client, Windows version 6.4.
  10. In Windows Evernote, when you encrypt text, it offers an option to "Remember password until I quit Evernote". But it seems that you have to actually sign out in order for it to stop remembering the password. If you just quit Evernote, then next time you start, it still remembers the password. Am I missing something?
  11. I am reevaluating Evernote (version 6.4, in Windows) after having used OneNote for some time. Here are the main things that I like about Evernote: You can assign a note to more than one tag. This is tremendously powerful in terms of being able to categorize a single note in multiple ways. I view tags in Evernote as if they were "folders" in another application, such as Outlook, or like "sections" in OneNote. (After all, the import-from-OneNote feature maps OneNote sections to Evernote tags.) There's a duality: You can assign a tag to a note, or looked at another way, you can assign a note to a tag... or you can "drop" it into the tag. The way you can pop notes out in a separate window. You can achieve this in OneNote, but it's awkward. Here are things that drive me nuts in Evernote: The way that notebooks work with tags. Mainly, the issue that tags unique to a specific notebook. At least as an option. You use the notebook metaphor, but there is no concept of "opening" a notebook. You click on a notebook in the left panel, and all the notes in that notebook are listed -- that's fine. But the tag list contains all the tags in the database, even if most of them have no relevance to that notebook! And then you want to browse through the different tags... but... as soon as you click a tag, presto, the notebook is unselected, and now all the notes with that tag are listed, regardless of what notebook they're in. Arrrggghhh. (I know you can approximate the desired behavior by holding down the control key, but that's awkward.) Inability to apply custom, arbitrary, sorts to note list and tag list. And... still incredibly, the lack of tag hierarchy in iOS! Some of these issues I know Evernote will say, well, you're using Evernote wrong, or it wasn't intended to work that way, or just don't use tags use searches instead, or maybe you should use a different program, etc. But I think this is a cop out. People work in different ways, and with a few of these features, Evernote would be useful to a broader base of users, and more would want to upgrade to premium. Here's a few newish features that I'm seeing in Evernote that I think are great... When you select a tag in the left panel, all the notes in the tag's sub-tag structure are listed. A very powerful concept. When you select one or more tags in the left panel, and then add a new note, it's automatically tagged with the selected tags. This enables the concept of "working in a tag" (which, again, I view as a folder). Very nice. The ability to apply styling in the tag and notebook lists in the left panel. This really livens up the appearance of the main screen. A final thought: I wonder if the reason Evernote has trouble with bugs and difficulty implementing new features might stem not from lack of good intentions, or programmer competence, but possibly from the fact that the original code base may have been written in a way that makes it hard to maintain code -- you fix one bug and break something else, and difficult to add features. When I see products struggling with quality issues, I know that this is sometimes the case.
  12. I can't seem to figure out how to display the tag hirerarchy in the Web beta. In other words, I can't see sub-tags nested under their parent tags. What am I missing?
  13. Original, non-beta, was much better -- just one example: how do you display the tag hierarchy? Other than that, it is visually primative and kludgy (sp?).
  14. I agree this would be a great feature in Evernote. People have been complaining about this for a long time. The problem is that when you click on a tag in the left panel, it acts as a filter, only showing notes with that tag. But since you've said "hide unassigned tags", all the other tags disappear! (Unless a note has both the tag selected and some other tag). But this isn't what many (most?) people want. You want the hierarchical display of tags to act as if they were folders and subfolders, not unlike the folders in Outlook, or even Windows Explorer. You want to be able to click around in the list and see the associated notes for each tag, without the tags disappearing on you, but still only showing tags in the currently chosen notebook.
  15. There should be a way to show the tag tree with only tags that relate to the particular notebook. You can choose "Hide unassigned tags", and then whenever you click on "Tags" in the tree, you will, for a moment, get what you want. But as soon as you select some tag, most of the of the tags in the tree disappear. I do understand why this is (because the selected tag then acts as a filter -- okay I get it), but still, there really needs to be a way of navigating around in tag tree without seeing irrellevant tags that relate to other notebooks.
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