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I found this comparison helpful. There are bits and pieces all over the forums. Many people in Evernote currently feel overwhelmed. I have found Notion to be very good. I will not be updating the table here but somebody else might like to put it on Google Drive or such. One correction to the table should be made - Notion costs $5 per month for unlimited file uploads (PDF, etc) and that will be needed. I hope you find it helpful. This forum is the best place for people looking for solutions. Forums are often monitored by product development too. This table could benefit many. Notion shows that Electron does not need to be slow. This is a killer for me as is using an unsupported product. Evernote 10 has no roadmap and with missing functionality resulted in the collapse of my workflow. The paradigm of a desktop app is flawed too. Notion is just as fast, if not faster, in a Chrome browser. Chrome is the new OS - why talk about Windows 10 or Mac OS - everything runs in tabs in Chrome. In a browser, you can have any number of tabs open for Notion - not surprisingly. Integration between web apps is through APIs - work like a dream. Why download/upload the data when it is already in the cloud. I was stuck in the daily routine did not consider other options. I have probably wasted too much time stuck with a dated concept. I am grateful, however, that I have come to realise that. I have made my decision. I wish you all the best with yours. There are so many good apps out there. 🙂

Here are a few alternatives to Evernot 10. The information has been compiled from the discussions in this forum. Notion, OneNote, Keep It, Nimbus, Roam, Standard Notes Please update the table with what you know. I would request the Forum moderator to make this post editable. Thank you. I have made my decision. I wish you all the best with yours. OneNote Notion Keep It Nimbus Roam Standard Notes offline storage yes no yes no sync button no yes sorting of notebooks automatic drag and drop title", "created date" and "update" search fast fast fast OCR yes no tags search no yes batch note import yes yes clipping yes document storage cache location data drive system drive supported yes yes zero knowledge encryption no own data no price/month $0 $4.99 expensive show attachments Excel Word PDF views card view yes no list view yes yes speed (compared to EN10) faster faster colour tagging yes yes save searches tags support yes web clipper yes yes Outlook clipper no no no no no send email copy no search function tags yes within notebook yes within stacks no features notes yes tags yes stacks yes print capability single notes no multiple notes no sort creation date yes modify date yes title yes ascending yes descending yes relevance shortcut keys yes Electron app no yes yes Window 10 app yes ? yes Mac OS app yes yes Note count shown on notebook no yes can open multiple notes no no

I am reluctant to comment but I was surprised that limiting a search to a notebook is so clunky. First choose the notebook. Then back to search. Click on "add filter". This is the last chances as the add filter pop-up menu does not include notebooks (why?). Then add more filters with the filter pop-up menu to narrow it down with a boolean AND function. This cannot be changed to OR (which some do use). Never make the mistake of clicking on the tag at the bottom of the note and adding that as a filter because, unlike 6.25, this resets the search that you have so laboriously gone to construct. Here is one approach: 1. choose the scope of the search: all notes, stack, notebook. Notebooks are often projects. 2. add keywords 3. use filter pop-up menu with additional criteria: attachments, URL, tags The filter pop-up menu must include the option to change the folder of the search. AND or OR operation for multiple keywords - surely that is for the user to decide. With the AND operation the filter pop-up menu should restrict the options to choose from, to that is found/attached to those notes. If we are choosing a tag and there are only 30 tags on the 10 notes in the search, then only those 30 tags should be shown as the others are irrelevant. Strangely, these ideas are not new ground as this is pretty much what 6.25 does. Advance functionality should be consider - think Google search - to include a term (+) or exclude a term (-). I think the search function should have documentation to explain what it does and does not. This too seems to be lacking. So much could have been done better. It is hard to know where to start.:-(

This is a good point. If we are quoting % usage it depends on the denominator. 2% of what? Any free software has an enormous number of dead or dormant accounts - people forget their password or simply move on. The % of paying customers might be another good measure as this would relate the impact to revenues. If they stop paying there is less revenue. Another is to weight the users depending on how long they have been a paying customer, or the number of notes a user has, or the changes per day (which is an indication of activity). The percentage depends on how it is measured. There is little transparency with such general statements. The disregard for the workflow of heavy users would indicate that perhaps, after a decade using the software, it is time to consider other options of which there are many. Evernote may have chosen a different path which as a private company it is entitled. We are entitled to shop elsewhere. The data can still be exported. Options are discussed at "Tom's Paperless Toolkit" creating a productivity environment suitable for professional work, teams and small business. I am sure there are other websites too. Evernote people are good at research. It is time we did a little and moved our workflows to something fitting 2020. https://www.paperlessmovement.com/toms-software/ It may be ironic that with the suggestion made from "Tom's Paperless Toolkit" that we move back to the situation where multiple UIs are depending on the app. Each UI needs to be learned. There is a different app for note-taking, document management, time management (task, calendar), email, project management, and visualisations. Evernote note was trying to move away from a different UI and features for each device. In doing so, power users now need to use many different apps in combination (integrations) to achieve the same functionality. We are then back to working with many UI. This is the complexity that Evernote promised to abolish. 🙂 Kubla Khan was a dream, a fantasy - it does not exist. Perhaps Evernote 10 ambitions are just as hopeless. "In Xanadu did Kubla Khan A stately pleasure-dome decree: Where Alph, the sacred river, ran Through caverns measureless to man Down to a sunless sea. So twice five miles of fertile ground With walls and towers were girdled round; And there were gardens bright with sinuous rills, Where blossomed many an incense-bearing tree; And here were forests ancient as the hills, Enfolding sunny spots of greenery." Kubla Khan, BY SAMUEL TAYLOR COLERIDGE

Here is my experience of Evernote 10 after 5 days. 40 years ago, as a young student, I work on a dumb terminal in batch mode on a PDP11. The jobs ran overnight and were ready the next day. In batch mode, nothing happens immediately. You work through what you need to do carefully and double-check everything is right because much time is lost if it must be done again. Evernote 6.25 and earlier versions were very fast with a good PC as the data was local and the changes instantaneous. I got into the habit of just typing away and if there were any problems I would fix it up later. Speed is of the essence. That is the benefit of immediacy. Getting it right becomes an iterative process. Ctrl-z just reflex. Now we have Evernote 10 and I find I am back into batch mode. Updating a record (note) takes just as long, whether I make ONE change or TEN. Writing to the server is a slow process and it can take minutes to get back to you. Better get it right the first time. Adding a tag becomes an adventure. For example, I thought it nice to add the tag YouTube to the notes that contain video. With 6 years of data and 11,000 notes. Some have 50,000 notes or more and 14GB data. SELECTION LIMIT The first problem is the 50 note select limit but this can be fixed. Evernote 10 does not have a settings menu yet but the settings are there in a local JSON file. Edit the JSON file to increase the limit from 50 to 5000 or whatever works best for you. TAG SEARCHES To find the notes I used the following search: YouTube -tag:YouTube tag:video. Find me the notes containing video from YouTube which have not already been tagged. Sure, the search is trivial but it is a test. The display of the search results was weird as the first note had the tag YouTube on it. (I could not reproduce this problem.) The presentations of notes with Evernote 10 is laggy. Tens of seconds pass for the search results to stabilise. Until then things seem to keep popping up. It seems though the old search syntax does work though. Negations (-tag:YouTube), in particular, are not offered within new search menu. The search seems to function by narrowing down the options - boolean AND function - with types tag, notebook, and text. GLOBAL SELECTION Could I now select all notes? The note list scrolled way off the screen or will I still get the first screen full typical for browsers? Ctrl-A marked 398. There is no select all button that I can tell. I added the tag YouTube to the notes, which require considerably more left button clicking than I used to- what previously was done completely with the keyboard. COFFEE BREAK A nice little sand timer appears the screen, giving me time to think about what I had just achieved. I went and grabbed my salad and returned to the computer to watch it some more. The fan on the computer was quite loud. This is hard work. After a bit, it was finished. TESTING THE RESULT Applying the same search now no gave me a NULL list. It seems to have worked. WORKAROUND While the sand timer is running, you cannot do anything else on Evernote 10 in that window. Evernote 10 does not permit tabs but multiple instances of Evernote 10 in a new window is possible. I can alternate between jobs that are running, checking occasionally, to see if they are cooking. I am not sure whether I would call Evernote 10 a productivity software but it does work and only crashes sometimes. Nothing happens fast, nothing is immediate. If this is what "cloud" means, then my feelings are mixed. We sacrifice performance so that it will work on our smartphones.